GDT: Rangers vs Flyers 5 PM

[PuckLuck3043]

Our D in 2-3 years:
Miller Fox
Robertson Lundk
Jones Schneider
Lindgren at his middle class NHL salary will be a victim to fund other contracts

Where is Trouba going?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Where is Trouba going?

Somewhere else with doctor jobs

 

[jay from jersey]

Our D in 2-3 years:
Miller Fox
Robertson Lundk
Jones Schneider

 

[FoxyClean]

Where is Trouba going?

Hopefully anywhere, his albatross contract will only hold us back.

 

[jay from jersey]

Our D in 2-3 years:
Miller Fox
Robertson Lundk
Jones Schneider
Lindgren at his middle class NHL salary will be a victim to fund other contracts

That’s the line up if the stars magically align. Which is not really likely. Lindgren contract is up in 3 years and in 3 years is the first possible time a trouba deal comes into play.
Neither Schneider or Lundkvist are going to be on 3rd pair/AHL for 3 years. The timeline is way out of wack. Plus NYR could possibly take a Defenseman in the 1st rd of the next 2 drafts.... unless your hoping for 2 major injuries, the likelihood of seeing the above top 6 D is next to zero.
next season...
Lindgren-Fox
Miller/Lundkvist-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Nemeth

could be the best closet chance. But that’s giving Robertson another full year in the A, which he might not need, and likely trading 1 of Lundkvist or Miller
Young studs don’t play 3rd pairing for more then a year. They break in on 3rd pair and are usually ready to take on a larger role the following season. You can’t just keep them there. It will actually hurt their development.
The wheels on this bus are rolling no matter how we want it. It just is unfortunate or a blessing depending on how you want to look at it that these guys are all pretty much coming on at the same ages in the same timeframe.
Lundkvist - nhl ready
Miller-nhl ready
Schneider-likely a Year in the A before NHL ready
Jones- maybe half to a full year til NHL ready
Robertson- maybe 1 year to year and a half before NHL ready
Skinner-2-3 full AHL years before 3rd pair nhl ready
They aren’t really going to be able to stretch that timeline much more
There are some hard choices coming down the pike

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Somewhere else with doctor jobs

Not until 2024 at earliest and I don't trade Lindgren. He's an important player and for 3 mil per very affordable.

 

[Edge]

Karl Henriksson was a terrible pick and we reportedly had him in the 1st round. 2020 was much better. LaF, Schneider, Cuylle, Berard all great picks

Pretty sure we had Cozens above Zegras. Lundell though we had pretty high and I agree he would’ve been the pick

They really liked Cozens, but Zegras was definitely their target in 2019.

 

[Edge]

Cuylle’s gonna kill the OHL this year. So much size and skill here and on the horizon.

OHL is a good place for him next year. Still a lot of moving parts and its a good spot for him to really work on putting all the pieces together, with a lot of ice time.

 

[Edge]

Othmann is literally a jittery little kid rn.. watch his interview from earlier this week. Not surprised he's playing like this. Hopefully, he'll mature but I'm not the least bit surprised he's not playing with much poise.

Othman has a decent amount of work to do. He's come a long way, but he's a kid more in the JT Miller, Dubinsky, Callahan, Kreider type timeframe.

I'd be more surprised if he came in and blew people away at this point.

 

[n8]

Othman has a decent amount of work to do. He's come a long way, but he's a kid more in the JT Miller, Dubinsky, Callahan, Kreider type timeframe.

I'd be more surprised if he came in and blew people away at this point.

I was noticing him watching the play in the game today. It was a break out and he just stood at the blueline waiting for someone to pass him the puck. SKATE!!! even when the play moved up, he did not skate to create openings.

 

[egelband]

Commentator doesn't understand major penalties.

I thought the announcers did a great job considering all the players with basically random numbers who hardly anyone has ever seen before. And they were even ok with the Rangers players names. Not a hill I’ll die on, but I was pleasantly surprised by the announcing.

 

[egelband]

Schneider got pissed after getting run after the whistle infront of the net and the next shift he took it out on Wade Allison — who destroyed Rempe in the fight yesterday — and murdered him accidentally on purpose in the corner. Looked like a broken leg…

There was one little guy on the Flyers who kept going after Rempe. Very annoying. I like Rempe’s game. He keeps it simple and rustles them jimmies. But his eyes don’t roll back into his head like a psycho. He’s looking to gain an advantage. He seems like - sss aside - a smart and productive guy.

 

[bernmeister]

Your timeline is messed up for that scenario. Schneider isn’t waiting in the A for 2-3 seasons. Odds are he’s doing exactly what nils will do this season, which is break in on 3rd pair with a vet.
Skinner also has 3rd pair RD potential. Solid and cheap yet unremarkable but very steady. He is the one likely 2-3 years away.
Jones has looked the most polished so far. Which is crazy because he was drafted lower and a year later then nils and came in right from college from switching from fwd.
For nils to have a future here long term, he’s going to need top 4 minutes in the next 2 seasons. That only happens if he displaces lindgren or Miller on the left. Fox and trouba are your top 2 on the right for 3 more years at least.
There’s zero indication Trouba would even be open to waving his NMC before that, and the flat cap decreases his value at 8 mill at year. The first chance you’ll see a large increase in the cap coincides with his NMC expiring in 3-4 seasons.
And that’s without factoring in any leaps in Robertson’s/miller’s/Jones s development. The rangers will also be drafting Defensemen in the next 2 drafts.
Imo the most likely trade targets are Jones and Nils, with a possibility of miller being available if one of those 3 leapfrog him developmentally.
If Robertson and Schneider are lights out together this season in Hartford, you might even see that as a Rookie 3rd pairing next season. Schneider for sure, Robertson either with him or shortly there after.
Right now it’s a numbers game of guys similar in age. There is an emphasis on size/nasty while still being able to move the puck. That’s why Schneider isn’t likely going anywhere, and I’d give Miller/Robertson the edge over Jones/Nils on the left. That’s because we have fox who is young and will be locked up long term running the PP for the next 8 years hopefully.

agree w/most, not all of this

if we could deal Staal, Trouba is easier to do. Not easy, but easier.
Key here is what he + wife want.
We are now coupla years since trade to NY.
Is wife still a student?
If she has graduated, she may have many more options available to her, and the right people w/enuf money calling each other asking for a favor is not unheard of in business. If she is now qualified, a position exactly custom to her choosing can be manufactured. Maybe not everywhere, but certainly a few major locations outside NY.
And again, we can push, even force Trouba to W if we need a D spot.

I agree that if we need size, it comes down to Nils or Jones.
Both similar overall but Nils has the shot.

Short term they should juggle everybody
and when Jones has high enuf value, deal him

the only way to have your cake and eat it too w/Jones is
consider Robertson the larger version of Lindgren.
Then move Lindy to 4W, also Trouba.
Then there is a place for everybody [at cost to existing Fs]

going for size-skill balance your L/R pairings are:
Robertson-Fox
KAM-Nils L
Jones-Schneider

Lindy = reserve LD
Trouba = reserve RD

A guy like Skinner has to really shine to get a chance to move somebody; if not he gets dealt at some pt

 

[bernmeister]

His shot wasn't really that good. He was great at getting himself into scoring positions where he doesn't need a great shot in order to score. DeAngelo is a really gifted offensive D. Crazy maybe, but his ability in the OZ is top notch.

Nils has an excellent shot. It's his best asset. It's hard and accurate and he's also got the ability to comically contort his body to shoot pucks that aren't in his wheel house and still put the mustard and placement on it as if they were off of a perfect pass. He legit has perennial 15-20 goal potential IMO. Not sure that will ever happen here because the PP1 time just won't be there for him, maybe if Zibanejad were to get moved/not extended.

Im glad he shot it and hope he continues to shoot when given the opportunity because most of the time he's probably going to have a better chance to score than anyone else he could pass to.

this^
Nils is best shot among our Ds.

That’s the line up if the stars magically align. Which is not really likely. Lindgren contract is up in 3 years and in 3 years is the first possible time a trouba deal comes into play.
Neither Schneider or Lundkvist are going to be on 3rd pair/AHL for 3 years. The timeline is way out of wack. Plus NYR could possibly take a Defenseman in the 1st rd of the next 2 drafts.... unless your hoping for 2 major injuries, the likelihood of seeing the above top 6 D is next to zero.
next season...
Lindgren-Fox
Miller/Lundkvist-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Nemeth

could be the best closet chance. But that’s giving Robertson another full year in the A, which he might not need, and likely trading 1 of Lundkvist or Miller
Young studs don’t play 3rd pairing for more then a year. They break in on 3rd pair and are usually ready to take on a larger role the following season. You can’t just keep them there. It will actually hurt their development.
The wheels on this bus are rolling no matter how we want it. It just is unfortunate or a blessing depending on how you want to look at it that these guys are all pretty much coming on at the same ages in the same timeframe.
Lundkvist - nhl ready
Miller-nhl ready
Schneider-likely a Year in the A before NHL ready
Jones- maybe half to a full year til NHL ready
Robertson- maybe 1 year to year and a half before NHL ready
Skinner-2-3 full AHL years before 3rd pair nhl ready
They aren’t really going to be able to stretch that timeline much more
There are some hard choices coming down the pike

Again, would not be closed about going outside the box and moving vets and/or throwing them at 4W. It's a checking line, they can handle it. Esp if it is just a yr or 2 while we wait for Trouba to admit he can read the writing on the wall, and work with us as we bend over backwards to accommodate him, as opposed to he makes us wait 3 years and then we ship his ass off wherever we feel like within whatever protections he still has, but not nec his first or second choice.
That is a consideration you should not dismiss

 

[broadwayblue]

we can push, even force Trouba to W if we need a D spot.

What?

 

[will1066]

When do roses get handed out to those who will be invited to move on to training camp?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Karl Henriksson was a terrible pick and we reportedly had him in the 1st round. 2020 was much better. LaF, Schneider, Cuylle, Berard all great picks

Pretty sure we had Cozens above Zegras. Lundell though we had pretty high and I agree he would’ve been the pick

Cozens would have been picked before we were on the clock with our pre-lottery pick.

 

[chosen]

They're a lazy, incompetent organization from top to bottom. My fandom has really died off bc it's obvious how little regard the organization has for its fans

To which team have you switched your fandom?

 

[chosen]

......
We have Hajek on a 2 way, but he has to clear waivers to be sent down. Obv Drury will try to and eventually get decent/+ return for him
but
may have to play to build up value first.

Hajek will return next to nothing, assuming anyone wants him.

 

[chosen]

2019 is definitely right up there.

Between two drafts you’re looking at a double digit amount of prospects with legitimate potential to evolve into NHL regulars, including at least a pair of keystone players.

You could take the 2018 and 2021 drafts off the board and still have a damn nice looking top ten list of age 20 and under talents.

Good thing we got rid of the group that acquired all that talent.

 

[chosen]

this kid TODAY is light years better than lias Andersson

Ice cream is light years sweeter than manure.

 

[chosen]

agree w/most, not all of this

if we could deal Staal, Trouba is easier to do. Not easy, but easier.
Key here is what he + wife want.
We are now coupla years since trade to NY.
Is wife still a student?
If she has graduated, she may have many more options available to her, and the right people w/enuf money calling each other asking for a favor is not unheard of in business. If she is now qualified, a position exactly custom to her choosing can be manufactured. Maybe not everywhere, but certainly a few major locations outside NY.
And again, we can push, even force Trouba to W if we need a D spot.

I agree that if we need size, it comes down to Nils or Jones.
Both similar overall but Nils has the shot.

Short term they should juggle everybody
and when Jones has high enuf value, deal him

the only way to have your cake and eat it too w/Jones is
consider Robertson the larger version of Lindgren.
Then move Lindy to 4W, also Trouba.
Then there is a place for everybody [at cost to existing Fs]

going for size-skill balance your L/R pairings are:
Robertson-Fox
KAM-Nils L
Jones-Schneider

Lindy = reserve LD
Trouba = reserve RD

A guy like Skinner has to really shine to get a chance to move somebody; if not he gets dealt at some pt

Keep Jones.

Trade Miller in a deal to acquire a center.

 

[jay from jersey]

this^
Nils is best shot among our Ds.




Again, would not be closed about going outside the box and moving vets and/or throwing them at 4W. It's a checking line, they can handle it. Esp if it is just a yr or 2 while we wait for Trouba to admit he can read the writing on the wall, and work with us as we bend over backwards to accommodate him, as opposed to he makes us wait 3 years and then we ship his ass off wherever we feel like within whatever protections he still has, but not nec his first or second choice.
That is a consideration you should not dismiss

I’m not even convinced they move Trouba when his NMC expires. They paid 8 mill per year to keep him thru his entire 20s. Also, I don’t know what writing on the wall he’s going to see. It’s on his day so if he wants to leave in 3 years. After that there’s on 12 teams he can be traded to.
If or when a trade does take place, playing out 2 years to get 16 million dollars I doubt will be a big deal to him. Also, this team is primed to go into a 4-5 year playoff window. Usually competitive guys like playing for playoff teams that have a shot at a cup.
The only way I see him getting moved early, is if FLA trades for him if wifey finishes her residency early. That’s where their home is. FLA will likely also be a playoff team for years. But they are paying Ekblad as well. So unless he gets injured or they solely target Trouba for some reason on a million to 1 shot, he’s likely here for 3 full seasons more at least.
I know what you and others would like to see happen, or what you think would be ideal. But it’s not very practical or realistic thinking.
Especially when you factor in all the variables.

 

[jay from jersey]

this^
Nils is best shot among our Ds.




Again, would not be closed about going outside the box and moving vets and/or throwing them at 4W. It's a checking line, they can handle it. Esp if it is just a yr or 2 while we wait for Trouba to admit he can read the writing on the wall, and work with us as we bend over backwards to accommodate him, as opposed to he makes us wait 3 years and then we ship his ass off wherever we feel like within whatever protections he still has, but not nec his first or second choice.
That is a consideration you should not dismiss

I’m not even convinced they move Trouba when his NMC expires. They paid 8 mill per year to keep him thru his entire 20s

Keep Jones.

Trade Miller in a deal to acquire a center.

Jones is tricky. With the strides he made last season, it’s really hard to judge what his ceiling can be. But all he does is continue to impress when given the opportunity. Rangers have some really hard choices to make.
They can delay this entire situation for a year to a year and a half at most with keeping guys on 3rd pair and in the A. But odds are I’d expect to see a trade involving 1 of our D in a package at the end of this season or at the draft the latest.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don’t like Lundkvist as much as some but he is clearly better than Zac Jones. I don’t think Zac Jones is anything special. 2nd PPQB and 3rd pair defenseman at peak. Lundkvist I think is a good 2nd pair defenseman that’s a 2PPQB at his peak but can also defend better, and more aggressively.

Still think that Schneider is the guy though. Leadership qualities; very strong, mistake free defense, and decent offensive upside. Think he can be a top pair defenseman that is a steady presence

I don't really think their spot in a line up will really vary.

Both 4-6 PP D, one as a trigger man, the other as more of the traditional QB. I don't see either guy being good enough to cary a 2nd pair at ES and will need a really sturdy partner to do most of the heavy lifting if they're going to play that high, even at their peak.

One will score more goals, the other will be better at running the PP. I acknowledge Nils as the better prospect since there is no more definitive production than goal scoring. I don't so much know that Schneider has more upside than either guy, but I do think that he provides more of what this team needs both immediately and moving forward. Top pair player? I don't see it but he could be that more stabilizing presence that one of those other guys will need to play with. If he's Cernak, we've won.