GDT: Rangers vs Flyers 5 PM

[Fitzy]

Lundkvist isn't a PPQB, he's a half boards trigger man.

It took Knobby exactly one scrimmage to figure this out.

 

[kovazub94]

Hajek will return next to nothing, assuming anyone wants him.

He has NHL experience, still pretty young and was a former low 2nd rounder. Would not be a high pick in return but 4th rounder could be reasonable or another B prospect with no waiver restrictions.

But I think the Rangers just keep him on the roster for 2021-2022 in case of injuries or other prospects not being ready yet.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Somewhere else with doctor jobs

One of 16 teams he can't block a trade to in 2024.

 

[cwede]

sorry if mentioned above
did every available Dev Camp attendee (Lamb had left) get ice vs Flyers?
I hadn't seen mention of Berzolla,
what about Grubbe or Korczak?
thanks in advance

 

[bernmeister]

Hajek will return next to nothing, assuming anyone wants him.

so, do we want to settle for writing him off for [next to] nothing, or do we want to take a stab at upping his value first?

 

[bernmeister]

Keep Jones.

Trade Miller in a deal to acquire a center.

You may ultimately be right, but I'm not willing to surrender size, reach and strength for another pivot.

Keep everybody.
If nec squeeze out 4th line Fs

 

[bernmeister]

I’m not even convinced they move Trouba when his NMC expires. They paid 8 mill per year to keep him thru his entire 20s. Also, I don’t know what writing on the wall he’s going to see. It’s on his day so if he wants to leave in 3 years. After that there’s on 12 teams he can be traded to.
If or when a trade does take place, playing out 2 years to get 16 million dollars I doubt will be a big deal to him. Also, this team is primed to go into a 4-5 year playoff window. Usually competitive guys like playing for playoff teams that have a shot at a cup.
The only way I see him getting moved early, is if FLA trades for him if wifey finishes her residency early. That’s where their home is. FLA will likely also be a playoff team for years. But they are paying Ekblad as well. So unless he gets injured or they solely target Trouba for some reason on a million to 1 shot, he’s likely here for 3 full seasons more at least.
I know what you and others would like to see happen, or what you think would be ideal. But it’s not very practical or realistic thinking.
Especially when you factor in all the variables.

we agree to disagree on how feasible that is.
as to
"Also, I don’t know what writing on the wall he’s going to see"
the writing is it is a hard cap league and we can't afford him at 8.
Like Buch, Strome and prob Zib before him, he has to go.
Now, he can work with us before, and do us favor for which we owe him including as to his relocation,
OR
he can hardball us to the full extent.
But if he chooses the later, what goes around comes around, and we will not do him any favors with where we send him at that time.
That concept of quid pro quo/mutual backscratch is not hard to see.

 

[bernmeister]

I’m not even convinced they move Trouba when his NMC expires. They paid 8 mill per year to keep him thru his entire 20s

Jones is tricky. With the strides he made last season, it’s really hard to judge what his ceiling can be. But all he does is continue to impress when given the opportunity. Rangers have some really hard choices to make.
They can delay this entire situation for a year to a year and a half at most with keeping guys on 3rd pair and in the A. But odds are I’d expect to see a trade involving 1 of our D in a package at the end of this season or at the draft the latest.

"I’m not even convinced they move Trouba when his NMC expires. They paid 8 mill per year to keep him thru his entire 20s"
yeah, that's factually true but it means nothing.

What is pertinent is do they have comparable talent for less. Less is important to manage cap = deeper roster, etc.

If he did not have an NMC he would likely be one foot + out the door already.

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I agree we should hold off on a deal for the sake of deal, but also take a good deal if one is there.

Jones brings a lot.

But since size is necessary up to a pt, and Nils does bring a shot that nobody else brings, he's the keeper.

 

[Harbour Dog]

In the middle of driving cross country and not able to keep up with these games.

Anybody able to give me the talking points of these two scrimmages? Would be much appreciated!

 

[jay from jersey]

"I’m not even convinced they move Trouba when his NMC expires. They paid 8 mill per year to keep him thru his entire 20s"
yeah, that's factually true but it means nothing.

What is pertinent is do they have comparable talent for less. Less is important to manage cap = deeper roster, etc.

If he did not have an NMC he would likely be one foot + out the door already.

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I agree we should hold off on a deal for the sake of deal, but also take a good deal if one is there.

Jones brings a lot.

But since size is necessary up to a pt, and Nils does bring a shot that nobody else brings, he's the keeper.

Nils shot would be effective at the top of the right circle in a trigger man position. The same place where Zibby is and will soon be there for another 6-7 seasons

 

[jay from jersey]

we agree to disagree on how feasible that is.
as to
"Also, I don’t know what writing on the wall he’s going to see"
the writing is it is a hard cap league and we can't afford him at 8.
Like Buch, Strome and prob Zib before him, he has to go.
Now, he can work with us before, and do us favor for which we owe him including as to his relocation,
OR
he can hardball us to the full extent.
But if he chooses the later, what goes around comes around, and we will not do him any favors with where we send him at that time.
That concept of quid pro quo/mutual backscratch is not hard to see.

That’s the point. The balls in his court. He stays for 3 and then possibly gets traded to one of his approved 12 teams for 2 years. That’s not much of a mutual back scratch. That’s the player having most of the power. Highly doubt they would make trouba an 8 mill 4th line winger when he’s still a good top 4 D man.
If the rangers move trouba after 3 years it will be to anywhere possible to get that cap hit back and internally fill the role. Trouba and the team doing each other a favor is laughable. This is the team that bought out Lundqvist
This reminds me kind of like the Ducks D a few years ago. They were loaded on the team with young D and very good prospects. Their fans were also penciling in Montour/Theodore/ Manson/Fowler/ etc
Their fans were projecting the same non-realistic situations. Truth is salary/contracts/need are all factors
The stars aren’t going to magically align and you can’t trade everyone on your time table. Odds are we’re going to lose a very good D man, probably even 2. What we get back is very important. How we draft more is very important.
They dealt Theodore in expansion to keep Lindholm/Fowler/Manson etc intact for their run, it screwed them. They also held on to Montour too long and his value decreased, it screwed them again.
Their fans were also penciling in a home grown top 6 for a decade, and shattenkirk was playing top 4 minutes last season.
The rangers have to be very smart on who they keep, who makes they harder to play against, what they get back, etc
Getting top 4 D signed and locked in is key. The 3rd pair will likely always be a cheap vet (Nemeth) whose suited for the role, and a player breaking in on his ELC ( also cheap) trying to prove himself.
The simple fact of the matter is Trouba’s NMC is 2 years longer then we need it to be... and there’s not much we can do about it.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

To which team have you switched your fandom?

I picked up another job and more hobbies (life outside hockey? Crazy.) Beats 50-82 games worth of time. 15-25 is good enough. Hockey's fun but it isn't everything. Funny that you didn't even consider the possibility i just watch the nyr less..

There's more to life.

 

[Fitzy]

Nils shot would be effective at the top of the right circle in a trigger man position. The same place where Zibby is and will soon be there for another 6-7 seasons

I'm still a big believer that there is a benefit to having a 2nd PP unit with a coherent identity, not just a random assortment of the leftover offensive players on the roster.

Kakko, Strome, Kravtsov, Trouba, Lundkvist should be the 2nd group if Lundy makes the team. Chytil should be on it if neither Jones nor Lundkvist make the team.

Lundkvist the shooter on the left, Kravvy on the right.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Good thing we got rid of the group that acquired all that talent.

Good thing they arguably deserved it bc all they did was lose. That's on top of how they failed plenty of trades, failed to develop plenty of other prospects and brought in a failure of a coach.

Any franchise can trade away players for picks and crow about all the potential they have. Go win. Develop those prospects. Use cap wisely. They were lacking too often in too many of those areas

Besides didn't our scouting depth get those guys, too? Did we do a total overhaul there?

 

[jay from jersey]

I'm still a big believer that there is a benefit to having a 2nd PP unit with a coherent identity, not just a random assortment of the leftover offensive players on the roster.

Kakko, Strome, Kravtsov, Trouba, Lundkvist should be the 2nd group if Lundy makes the team. Chytil should be on it if neither Jones nor Lundkvist make the team.

Lundkvist the shooter on the left, Kravvy on the right.

I’m sure we’ll have one. But them getting more then 20-30 seconds of PP set up time isn’t very likely. Our 1st PP is very good, and they will continue to take the bulk of the minutes.
Just like most other teams 1st units

 

[Fitzy]

I’m sure we’ll have one. But them getting more then 20-30 seconds of PP set up time isn’t very likely. Our 1st PP is very good, and they will continue to take the bulk of the minutes.
Just like most other teams 1st units

Yeah and the only teams with balanced PP units are those with no power play at all.

Shocking stat- Anaheim's leading PP scorer had only 5 points on the man advantage last season. They had only 11 PP goals in 56 games, for a spectacular 9%.

At that efficiency, if they played every game fully 5-on-4 they would average less than 3 goals a game.

 

[Lays]

Keep Jones.

Trade Miller in a deal to acquire a center.

Absolutely not

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

sorry if mentioned above
did every available Dev Camp attendee (Lamb had left) get ice vs Flyers?
I hadn't seen mention of Berzolla,
what about Grubbe or Korczak?
thanks in advance

Would have been nice if the Rangers, like the Flyers, had released their line ups, but yet another big "Don't care" from the org.

I think Korczak played but I can't remember hearing Berzolla and Grubbe's names.

 

[chosen]

so, do we want to settle for writing him off for [next to] nothing, or do we want to take a stab at upping his value first?

I enthusiastically vote for writing him off as opposed to him playing ahead of any of 10 defensemen.

 

[chosen]

I picked up another job and more hobbies (life outside hockey? Crazy.) Beats 50-82 games worth of time. 15-25 is good enough. Hockey's fun but it isn't everything. Funny that you didn't even consider the possibility i just watch the nyr less..

There's more to life.

That's fine.

The only question is why you would still waste any time here.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Keep Jones.

Trade Miller in a deal to acquire a center.

Do we have enough size to handle that? Would be a little bit of a gamble to sell Miller especially if he comes in looking improved which I fully expect him to, he looks like he put on 5-10 pounds of muscle in the off season.
Just worried that would make the blue line undersized compared to other teams in the division/playoffs

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Do we have enough size to handle that? Would be a little bit of a gamble to sell Miller especially if he comes in looking improved which I fully expect him to, he looks like he put on 5-10 pounds of muscle in the off season.
Just worried that would make the blue line undersized compared to other teams in the division/playoffs

I am really not that worried about losing Miller's size. He barely uses it anyway. When it comes to the physical side, he's just Brian Boyle on defense.

Not saying we should trade Miller for whatever we can get, I still prefer to wait and see if he hits his ceiling but his size isn't what I consider a strength for him.

 

[chosen]

Good thing they arguably deserved it bc all they did was lose. That's on top of how they failed plenty of trades, failed to develop plenty of other prospects and brought in a failure of a coach.

Any franchise can trade away players for picks and crow about all the potential they have. Go win. Develop those prospects. Use cap wisely. They were lacking too often in too many of those areas

Besides didn't our scouting depth get those guys, too? Did we do a total overhaul there?

The previous regime acquired the personnel that we're all gushing about, now, but you state they were losing while they were re-doing the team. That's how it works so I'm unsure what you're unhappy about.

 

[chosen]

Do we have enough size to handle that? Would be a little bit of a gamble to sell Miller especially if he comes in looking improved which I fully expect him to, he looks like he put on 5-10 pounds of muscle in the off season.
Just worried that would make the blue line undersized compared to other teams in the division/playoffs

Size is somewhat important. Instinct is far more important and so far I don't see it in Miller. Maybe this season. Last season he reminded me of a less gifted Brady Skjel.

It's all moot. Miller is going nowhere anytime soon. Like many fans, management is in love with his size and "potential".

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I am really not that worried about losing Miller's size. He barely uses it anyway. When it comes to the physical side, he's just Brian Boyle on defense.

Not saying we should trade Miller for whatever we can get, I still prefer to wait and see if he hits his ceiling but his size isn't what I consider a strength for him.

Using your “size” isn’t limited to killing people. He’s got a massive reach that he’s already utilizing pretty well, that is also using your size.

he’s inherently going to be tougher to play against than a smaller, slower D because he takes up more space and can skate with faster players. He’s going to be tougher to beat 1 on 1, tougher to corner on dump ins, etc.

we need more of this, not less.