Confirmed with Link: Rangers Sign Kevin Shattenkirk: (4 years x $6.65M)

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Was it really worth dumping Stepan to sign Shattenkirk? Now we have a huge gaping hole in the top 6 that we are plugging up with a 40-point dman?

I don't get it at all.

And add a top offensive RHD prospect that is likely ready for full time NHL duty and a top center prospect that could make the jump sooner rather them later.

So yes it's worth it, and Gorton is not done yet.
 
We can spend all ****ing month debating Crosby's antics on the ice. Banging Subban's head onto the ice repeatedly for 20 seconds in the finals, and when Subban pushes him away, they both get called for 2 minutes, is just an example of why people despise Crosby.

He is a great player, but not a clean player
 
We can spend all ****ing month debating Crosby's antics on the ice. Banging Subban's head onto the ice repeatedly for 20 seconds in the finals, and when Subban pushes him away, they both get called for 2 minutes, is just an example of why people despise Crosby.

He is a great player, but not a clean player
Not in this thread you can't. :laugh:
 
We can spend all ****ing month debating Crosby's antics on the ice. Banging Subban's head onto the ice repeatedly for 20 seconds in the finals, and when Subban pushes him away, they both get called for 2 minutes, is just an example of why people despise Crosby.

He is a great player, but not a clean player

Are all the Rangers "clean" players?
 
Stepan is overrated. He got a bunch of points but you never noticed him on ice. Average puck skills, below average shot and skating. Shattenkirk on the top pairing is a massive upgrade over Girardi and we will be a better possession team.
Also, Shattenkirk got 56 points last year which was more than Stepan.
 
Stepan is overrated. He got a bunch of points but you never noticed him on ice. Average puck skills, below average shot and skating. Shattenkirk on the top pairing is a massive upgrade over Girardi and we will be a better possession team.
Also, Shattenkirk got 56 points last year which was more than Stepan.

You know who was noticeable? Girardi.
 
Was it really worth dumping Stepan to sign Shattenkirk? Now we have a huge gaping hole in the top 6 that we are plugging up with a 40-point dman?

I don't get it at all.

No. No it wasn't unless you're a stat guy.
The two fan bases that had him before apparently have a bias/ narrative against the NYR and all their fans lol
 
Stepan was a good player, let's not discount his contributions.

While he never quite became that 25 goal, 70 point player he appeared to be morphing into 4 years ago, he's been a fairly consistent year-to-year producer: 17-22 goals, 53-60 some odds points (if healthy), and he's never been a minus in his career.

But we live in a salary capped NHL world and like Derek Brassard before him, it was a question of money, contract and anticipated production over the course of the contract.

I think the Rangers were probably expecting him to be more of a driving force on the ice, and he was once again a support player. There's nothing wrong with that per say, I just think it became apparent to the Rangers that now was the time to make a move if they were going to make one (which especially makes sense because of the NMC).
 
Stepan was a good player, let's not discount his contributions.

While he never quite became that 25 goal, 70 point player he appeared to be morphing into 4 years ago, he's been a fairly consistent year-to-year producer: 17-22 goals, 53-60 some odds points (if healthy), and he's never been a minus in his career.

But we live in a salary capped NHL world and like Derek Brassard before him, it was a question of money, contract and anticipated production over the course of the contract.

I think the Rangers were probably expecting him to be more of a driving force on the ice, and he was once again a support player. There's nothing wrong with that per say, I just think it became apparent to the Rangers that now was the time to make a move if they were going to make one (which especially makes sense because of the NMC).

Idk Edge.
You get rid of Dsteps and Brassard.
Insert Stattenkirk and Smith for 11+?
Huge hole in the middle and no clear #2 D.
Just doesn't make much sense anyway you want to look at it.
I honestly don't get it..
 
Idk Edge.
You get rid of Dsteps and Brassard.
Insert Stattenkirk and Smith for 11+?
Huge hole in the middle and no clear #2 D.
Just doesn't make much sense anyway you want to look at it.
I honestly don't get it..

No to sound cliche but Rome wasn't built in a day. Gorton and Co wouldn't have created this gaping hole down the middle of the roster if there wasn't a plan in place to fix it. It takes time thought not everything can be done overnight. Let's wait until October to make judgements.
 
Idk Edge.
You get rid of Dsteps and Brassard.
Insert Stattenkirk and Smith for 11+?
Huge hole in the middle and no clear #2 D.
Just doesn't make much sense anyway you want to look at it.
I honestly don't get it..

Mika? DeAngelo? Lias? A 2nd rounder still to come next year?

The two guys in bold are Centers, BTW.
 
Stepan is overrated. He got a bunch of points but you never noticed him on ice. Average puck skills, below average shot and skating. Shattenkirk on the top pairing is a massive upgrade over Girardi and we will be a better possession team.
Also, Shattenkirk got 56 points last year which was more than Stepan.

Best evaluation ever.
 
No to sound cliche but Rome wasn't built in a day. Gorton and Co wouldn't have created this gaping hole down the middle of the roster if there wasn't a plan in place to fix it. It takes time thought not everything can be done overnight. Let's wait until October to make judgements.

I will absolutely try to remain patient but let's not forget the defensive part of DSteps game in the overall scheme of things.
He added a tremendous defensive element in shutting down top lines and played lights out when it mattered most.
It's not something you just easily replace..
 
Mika? DeAngelo? Lias? A 2nd rounder still to come next year?

The two guys in bold are Centers, BTW.

When has Mika ever been considered a #1 center?
DA and LA are prospects.
Neither of which bring the value of a Stepan unless you're JG.
 
No to sound cliche but Rome wasn't built in a day. Gorton and Co wouldn't have created this gaping hole down the middle of the roster if there wasn't a plan in place to fix it. It takes time thought not everything can be done overnight. Let's wait until October to make judgements.

Mika? DeAngelo? Lias? A 2nd rounder still to come next year?

The two guys in bold are Centers, BTW.

All this talk about Rome and Mika Angelo (Michelangelo), I thought I was on a painting website or something.
 
When has Mika ever been considered a #1 center?
DA and LA are prospects.
Neither of which bring the value of a Stepan unless you're JG.

Honestly, many people would say the same about Steps. He was often considered a #1b at best. Mika has a greater offensive upside, and will be moving into the #1 spot. I suspect he'll do just fine....all while being younger, faster, and at a lower cap hit.

Regardless of whether or not some of the players we got are prospects...that's who we got in those trades. DeAngelo is already NHL ready...and Lias may push for a spot.

Anyway, you're cherry-picking the exchange...claiming we filled the voids left by Brass and Steps with FA signings in unrelated positions ... which is ridiculous.
 
No to sound cliche but Rome wasn't built in a day. Gorton and Co wouldn't have created this gaping hole down the middle of the roster if there wasn't a plan in place to fix it. It takes time thought not everything can be done overnight. Let's wait until October to make judgements.

Exactly. What it appears to be is......fixing one area and opening up another.
What Gorton is doing is working from the back end that protects Hank and is huge in the "new NHL" where offense begins from below our blue line......
We have multiple options in regard to center. JT (although preferred as a winger is one option) aquiring another center is another.......(easier than aquiring that blueliner that we just did).......1st things 1st fellas......give Gorton time, he OBVIOUSLY has a plan.

Losing Lindberg......was NOT in the plans though. Give him time to overcome that one.
 
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