Confirmed with Link: Rangers Sign Free Agent D Neal Pionk

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

I'm guessing his ceiling is Tory Krug?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Manson is going nowhere. Vatanen is the guy they're going to move, who honestly, would probably fit just as good as Shattenkirk would on this defense

The gap between Vatanen and Shattenkirk is bigger than most think.

SV's salary isn't horrible for what he is, but Shattenkirk is the better player.

 

[Krams]

Manson is going nowhere. Vatanen is the guy they're going to move, who honestly, would probably fit just as good as Shattenkirk would on this defense

I don't know if this is true. Earlier in the season it looked like Vatanen was definitively the guy they were going to be protecting in the expansion draft. Either way, one of them is going to be moved IMO and Gorton should be all over it.

 

[boxhamster]

I don't move Zucc. He's the only player actually exceeding what his contract costs us.

Zucc is our best Forward

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Has it been reported whether Sheehy is definitely staying in school?

Not just that, he was named captain

http://www.thedailygopher.com/2017/...-season-lindgren-szmatula-bristedt-assistants

 

[Zil]

Vatanen is overrated. Pretty much exclusively a powerplay specialist. I would not move Zucc for him.

Not just that, he was named captain

http://www.thedailygopher.com/2017/...-season-lindgren-szmatula-bristedt-assistants

Lame

 

[silverfish]

Vatanen is what people think Shattenkirk is. I suspect an ANA D will be on the move this off-season, but I don't think NYR will be involved.

 

[TheTakedown]

I think that depends on if hes willing to stay there or not.

If he really doesn't want to stay there, it would be best for Winnipeg to move him this summer.

Even if that is the case, Gordon would have to get creative to land him.

I wouldn't be opposed to Zucc+Raanta for Klingberg and Roussel.

This is where you need to start thinking long term.

- Trouba just turned 23 years old 3 months ago
- Skjei just turned 23 years old 1.5 months ago
Both guys noted above are, right now, 2nd pairing defenders, with 1st pairing defender ceilings.

- Smith just turned 28 years old 3 months ago, and will most likely cost $4M to re-sign--something similar to the Stralman contract, maybe a hair less since he is left handed.

On the other hand, McDonagh will be 28 in 1.5 months, and will need a new contract in TWO years at AGE 30...

Both Trouba and McDonagh are going to ask for $8M on their next contracts. Maybe they only get $7.5M... even then, would you rather give the $7.5M to Trouba, who will be 25 at that point? Or McDonagh who will be 30 at that point? I choose the former...

Everyone keeps clamoring for a "Brass for Zib" type Trade. McDonagh for Trouba is EXACTLY THAT KIND OF TRADE.

RangerBoy has said many times that this core is not going to get it done. Rangers need to usher the current core out of here. Get enough of these young guys and you can afford to take back 90 cents on the dollar in an effort to jump start the youth movement.

I'm officially off the sign Shattenkirk bandwagon, because at this point it's time to usher the new core into this team. Simply throwing Shattenkirk onto the defense would essentially be a retooling option, which this team already tried, and it's not going to work, especially with this coach at helm...

It's time to gut the dead weight from this team. Gorton's starting the process with these top tier prospects. The older generation needs to move on. Staal and Girardi's places are running out, and I don't doubt in my mind that management will eventually, and hopefully soon, start reducing their roles to a point where they realize there is no place for them on this team. Klein and Holden should be sent to the AHL for minimal cap penalties if management can't trade these guys.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers have won their share of recruiting battles. Every team can offer the same contract. It comes down to selling the players on getting an opportunity to play in the NHL for the Rangers.

 

[Thirty One]

Vatanen is what people think Shattenkirk is. I suspect an ANA D will be on the move this off-season, but I don't think NYR will be involved.

Be more specific. People have very differing opinions on Shattenkirk.

 

[TheTakedown]

The gap between Vatanen and Shattenkirk is bigger than most think.

SV's salary isn't horrible for what he is, but Shattenkirk is the better player.

In a vacuum, yes, you are correct. In context, however, can you rightfully say the gap between Shattenkirk and Vatanen is bigger than the 3 add'l years of term, as well as the $2.75M add'l cap hit per year? Compared to Shattenkirk in context, I'd say no.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This is where you need to start thinking long term.

- Trouba just turned 23 years old 3 months ago
- Skjei just turned 23 years old 1.5 months ago
Both guys noted above are, right now, 2nd pairing defenders, with 1st pairing defender ceilings.

- Smith just turned 28 years old 3 months ago, and will most likely cost $4M to re-sign--something similar to the Stralman contract, maybe a hair less since he is left handed.

On the other hand, McDonagh will be 28 in 1.5 months, and will need a new contract in TWO years at AGE 30...

Both Trouba and McDonagh are going to ask for $8M on their next contracts. Maybe they only get $7.5M... even then, would you rather give the $7.5M to Trouba, who will be 25 at that point? Or McDonagh who will be 30 at that point? I choose the former...

Everyone keeps clamoring for a "Brass for Zib" type Trade. McDonagh for Trouba is EXACTLY THAT KIND OF TRADE.

RangerBoy has said many times that this core is not going to get it done. Rangers need to usher the current core out of here. Get enough of these young guys and you can afford to take back 90 cents on the dollar in an effort to jump start the youth movement.

I'm officially off the sign Shattenkirk bandwagon, because at this point it's time to usher the new core into this team. Simply throwing Shattenkirk onto the defense would essentially be a retooling option, which this team already tried, and it's not going to work, especially with this coach at helm...

It's time to gut the dead weight from this team. Gorton's starting the process with these top tier prospects. The older generation needs to move on. Staal and Girardi's places are running out, and I don't doubt in my mind that management will eventually, and hopefully soon, start reducing their roles to a point where they realize there is no place for them on this team. Klein and Holden should be sent to the AHL for minimal cap penalties if management can't trade these guys.

McDonagh for Trouba is not the answer.

We need to be adding to whats good on the defense, not making what would be at best a lateral move.

Trouba is awesome, but I'd want him playing with Mac, not traded for him. Investing in your players is fine if they're worth it. McDonagh is, Staal and Girardi were not.

Also Winnipeg would need to add something pretty significant.

 

[silverfish]

Be more specific. People have very differing opinions on Shattenkirk.

Think PK Subban. 3/4 at best. Worse than Larsson.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Think PK Subban. 3/4 at best. Worse than Larsson.

okay mr hrudey

 

[TheTakedown]

The Rangers have won their share of recruiting battles. Every team can offer the same contract. It comes down to selling the players on getting an opportunity to play in the NHL for the Rangers.

Both Pionk and Bereglazov play the right side, correct?

Both of these guys are going to get NHL time this year. I suspect this is going to be the end of Staal and Girardi simultaneously, and if it is, there won't be room for Shattenkirk. These guys on ELC's are going to have to grow into their roles

 

[DanielBrassard]

In a vacuum, yes, you are correct. In context, however, can you rightfully say the gap between Shattenkirk and Vatanen is bigger than the 3 add'l years of term, as well as the $2.75M add'l cap hit per year? Compared to Shattenkirk in context, I'd say no.

It also is the difference betwen Shattenkirk and Miller/Hayes/etc or Vatanen minus those guys.

 

[Trxjw]

Boom! Been hoping he'd sign with us for a while.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Pionk has no one in front of him in terms of young RHD. Hopefully that's what Gorton and Co. sold him on. And, if so, that would get my hopes up that they are aware of what they have to do regarding this defense.

 

[TheTakedown]

McDonagh for Trouba is not the answer.

We need to be adding to whats good on the defense, not making what would be at best a lateral move.

Trouba is awesome, but I'd want him playing with Mac, not traded for him. Investing in your players is fine if they're worth it. McDonagh is, Staal and Girardi were not.

Also Winnipeg would need to add something pretty significant.

Oh, I'm with you. McDonagh for Trouba would just be the base. In the case of the Brass for Zib trade, Ottawa gave the Rangers a 2nd as + for the trade...

McDonagh for Trouba would have to have Winnipeg adding either Ehlers + low Pick, or a prospect like Conner + high pick

 

[Zil]

In a vacuum, yes, you are correct. In context, however, can you rightfully say the gap between Shattenkirk and Vatanen is bigger than the 3 add'l years of term, as well as the $2.75M add'l cap hit per year? Compared to Shattenkirk in context, I'd say no.

Vatanen is an abomination defensively and only posts offense on the powerplay. Shattenkirk is good defensively, posts good offense 5v5, and has the 14th highest p/60 on the pp of any skater in the league.

 

[RangerBoy]

Winnipeg is going to push hard to sign Trouba long-term in the near future. If Trouba balks at signing long-term in Winnipeg,they have no choice but to eventually move him. His current contract expires next July. Two years away from group III. Those years come and go so fast.

 

[TheTakedown]

It also is the difference betwen Shattenkirk and Miller/Hayes/etc or Vatanen minus those guys.

Hayes is replacable. Miller I would keep

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Both Pionk and Bereglazov play the right side, correct?

Both of these guys are going to get NHL time this year. I suspect this is going to be the end of Staal and Girardi simultaneously, and if it is, there won't be room for Shattenkirk. These guys on ELC's are going to have to grow into their roles

Bereglazov can play on the left side, but I prefer him on his strong side. I think he can step in. He was a top-4 D-man on a team that won the Cup in 2016 and made the finals in 2017. He played 20-ish minutes a night. Not really a 3rd pair D-man who needs to grow in his role.

 

[NYR94]

"i chose the new york rangers organization because i felt comfortable with the management and style of play that alain vigneault and the rest of the coaching staff wants to play. I also liked their success in previous years along with the opportunity that they represented."

 

[DanielBrassard]

Hayes is replacable. Miller I would keep

Who are we replacing him with? As much as he's struggled, we don't have a replacement for him, Unless Miller moves back to C. Either way, I'd rather sign Shattenkirk and trade Hayes or Miller in another trade rather than just trading for Vatanen.