Rangers Season Ticket Holders #9
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I'm assuming it would be too much to ask for this to be a Rangers home game and then only required to buy 2 pre-season games as part of our package?
Jaromir Jagr
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What this means is that if you don't re-up, you likely won't be given the option, like you were this year, to pay in full, even if you don't renew.
My assumption is moving forward, if you don't renew, you won't get access to playoff tickets.
Does anyone know of any professional sports team that requires next season renewal for current season playoff tix?
As a consumer, I think we have the right to know what we are signing up for and what exact values we are or will be receiving for our purchases.
They treat this like a trade for "future considerations".
Pistons, at least when my friend's dad had seasons back around 2007-2008ish. But, he knew going in, you bought the play-off tickets and the following season. Not sure if he started with a play-off package or a regular season package knowing the deal.
The NY Mets are famous for "Playoff Push" packages.
The Mets would offer you a full-post-season strip with a non-refundable deposit (usually $500) towards a full-season package for next season. You might have had to buy the last dozen or so games of the regular season to qualify, though...
Oh, you meant "renewal". Well, typically the offer-sheet is defined (Full playoff strip for full season). It's the cost and terms of payment that aren't defined early. Expect unfriendly terms if you don't renew.
Jaromir Jagr
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The Rangers hold all the cards here until people stop renewing or stop making deposits for the possibility of season tickets.
Consumers don't have the right to know anything other than what they are paying for. So with what they are telling you, the benefit is that you're guaranteed the season tickets in the same seats and that's it. You will have possible consideration for the playoffs and if this year indicates anything, this means you'll have consideration and priority if you renew.
This has been my main complaint for years with this organization. They don't treat you like clients, they treat you like lottery winners. You're lucky to have what you have and if you don't like what we offer, bye bye. So far, this hasn't hurt them. Will it someday, possibly and more likely if they miss the playoffs for a season or two.
But right now, they are at the peak of their market history. It's continuously gone up since they went to the finals. Until that trend reverses, they will continue to maximize profit without consequence as they see fit.
I only had to sign up for a 20-game plan with the mets to get a full playoff strip. Didn't need to buy any regular season games. That was in 2015 and definitely worth it. I doubt we'll see any deals remotely like that any time soon.
Plus in years past the rangers gave a 10% playoff discount for early renewals. With the rangers making deep playoff runs that was worth a lot of money. That's probably a much better carrot than letting us pay at the end of the round (a 2 week deferral means squat). Even if they raised ticket prices by 10% to compensate it would probably be enough to keep the fence sitters in the fold, assuming they even want renewals in the first place.
I too, have a 20-gamer with the Mets. (I've had a plan of some kind since 1996). To that end, when the time came to claim my playoff tickets, I am always given the option of:
1. Renewing my plan for next season.
2. Buying my playoff innvoice.
3. Both.
4. Neither.
Prices were not a function of what options were selected, if I recall correctly. Hell, we even had the options of buying extra strips that season.
The Rangers still give you the discount, but it's like buying gas. You get a cash discount (renew), or you pay "regular" price (not renew). It's just the spin that is put on it and how it is advertised. Instead of getting a 10% rebate for renewing, you are not subject to "retail" pricing if you renew.
When the mets sucked I just bought my tickets on scorebig (before they went belly up). In 2015 sometime in august they asked for deposits for next season, 20-games get a half strip and 40-game or fulls got a full strip. I made a deposit for a 20-game plan but got a full strip anyway. I was hopeful they'd resign Ces but not expecting it so it all worked out rather well. I acutally wound up getting a 40-game plan and got a full strip last year as well but of course only went to the wildcard game.
Mets pulled a Rongo and didn't score at home in the playoffs.
sabremike
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It's at the home of the Isles AHL team and the Isles actually run the building so sadly it would be too much to ask. But I feel ya about not wanting to spend big money on another crap preseason game you can't even give away. Forcing STH's to buy preseason games is the biggest scam in all of sports.
If the Winter Classic must be played as a road game to save the golden goose of (MSG Property) taxes from the axe, there is no way that a pre-season game is going to slay it...
This will be a road game for the Rangers.
I thought the provision only applied to games in NY state, so a game in Bridgeport would not affect this. But as mentioned above, this is the Isles affiliate in their building, so...
GordonGecko
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You have a source on this? They had neutral site "home" games in 92-93 and 93-94. One was in Florida, think the other was in Halifax.
sorry if this has been discussed in other threads... but there have been multiple comments in here about why it's financially better for the w/c to be an away game (i think there were even references to why this was done for the stadium series). Can someone explain this to me? or link me to relevant article? I apologize if this has been covered here but I can't seem to find it.
GordonGecko
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http://codes.findlaw.com/ny/real-property-tax-law/rpt-sect-429.html
"If one or both of said teams shall cease to play their home games in said property at any time, the tax exemption provided herein shall cease immediately and such property shall immediately be restored to the tax rolls and thereupon become subject to taxation and shall be taxed pro rata for the unexpired portion of the taxable year"
Also here:
https://www.tax.ny.gov/research/property/assess/manuals/vol4/pt2/sec4_06/sec429.htm
But I am sure that the "benefit" was nowhere near $46 million back in 1994. And maybe the lawyers at the time could argue that they only forfeit the benefit for that given fiscal year. The law reads to me that the exemption would kick back in the NEXT fiscal year.
And going forward, the mob would surely demand the exemption be permanently revoked. Lawyers know not to poke that sleeping bear.
GordonGecko
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The $46-48M is like an 8-fold increase from last year, I believe because of a new assessment which factors in the 1-Billion in improvements. So far they have benefited from $350M+ in property tax exemptions over the course of the legislation.
GordonGecko
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I'm not a lawyer so correct me if I'm wrong, but code 429 is generic to read an NHL team and an NBA team. Wouldn't that mean MSG could build anywhere else and still get the exemption so long as they sign that 10-year agreement with the mayor? Wouldn't the Barclay's Center have been able to do the same thing as soon as the Pisles moved in?
They might have to wait 10 years after both are tenants before they can claim it. It does read generic, and the owners of Barclay's would be stupid not to try for the exemption when their 10-year period is up and claim "Equal Protection Under the Law" should they be denied.
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