Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Updated: 11.25.21)

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

For anyone that watched the two flyers games... how has Nils and Schneider looked?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

For anyone that watched the two flyers games... how has Nils and Schneider looked?

Lundkvist had a slow start but that goal really gave him a boost. Schneider looked great, battling it out with the Flyers' biggest guys at times.

I still think Schneider is a few months away from sticking in the NHL. It's a big jump from WHL to NHL for a defenseman. If I remember correctly, only 6 defensemen since 2006 made that jump in their D+2 and played at least half the games that season. Most of them drafted higher than Schneider.

 

[Fitzy]

For anyone that watched the two flyers games... how has Nils and Schneider looked?

Nils was fighting with the puck a lot, but in one-on-one situations defended well.

Schneider was good, as statboy mentioned. Though he didn't stick out to me in a positive or negative way.

The guy who had the best scrimmages on defense was Zac Jones, to my surprise.

Robertson and Reunanen both had gaffes. I think Robertson is still a year away at best- the AHL should be good for him.

Skinner looked like he has legitimate #6/#7 potential. I don't think he gets any preseason games but perhaps he should.

I think the battle is between Jones, Lundy, and Schneider for that #6 spot. Preseason will tell us a lot more.

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

Lundkvist had a slow start but that goal really gave him a boost. Schneider looked great, battling it out with the Flyers' biggest guys at times.

I still think Schneider is a few months away from sticking in the NHL. It's a big jump from WHL to NHL for a defenseman. If I remember correctly, only 6 defensemen since 2006 made that jump in their D+2 and played at least half the games that season. Most of them drafted higher than Schneider.

Nils was fighting with the puck a lot, but in one-on-one situations defended well.

Schneider was good, as statboy mentioned. Though he didn't stick out to me in a positive or negative way.

The guy who had the best scrimmages on defense was Zac Jones, to my surprise.

Robertson and Reunanen both had gaffes. I think Robertson is still a year away at best- the AHL should be good for him.

Skinner looked like he has legitimate #6/#7 potential. I don't think he gets any preseason games but perhaps he should.

I think the battle is between Jones, Lundy, and Schneider for that #6 spot. Preseason will tell us a lot more.

Thanks guys!

 

[Ola]

I agree on the Ds.

These type of scrimmages are a perfect fit for Jones, he just mastered the play when he was on the ice. Bought himself time, delivered the passes when they could be made or cleared the puck when it had to be done. As steady as it was possible to be defensively. I am sure that he can eat minutes in the NHL. But go back just 5-10 years ago and there weren't a ton of guys like him in the NHL. Now there are quite many. Don't think teams, us included, view him as someone that gives us a big edge when he is on the ice, while he always will be better than a replacement that is flawed.

I was really impressed with Schneider's play with the puck. We know what he got physically. But just like AK refers to, the jump is big from a CHL league to the NHL for a defender. You will just be challenged in so many ways that you aren't in juniors that you in general just will need time to adjust to it. The same could be true for Nils, but I wouldn't move my betting money from Nils making the team to Jones/Schneider just yet (Jones biggest obstacle is that he is a LD).

For me, when someone like Nils fumbles with the puck a few times in some situation at this point of the season, its just a testament of something that absolute doesn't have to have any bearing on where he will be a week, two weeks, a month or two months from now. And like it works both ways, the guy that is super steady and in the zone today, might not be it a week, two weeks, a month or two months from now. Shesty couldn't have stopped a beachball his first game in Traverse just two years ago. I take note of the fact that Nils made some really good offensive and defensive plays. I didn't quite feel that he was flying on the ice in either direction. Now we move on to the next phase, lets see how it plays out.

I've been high on Reunanen in the past, but he was the biggest disappointment for me. Couldn't execute when he tried to utilize his speed to separate himself from the forecheckers, had some issues in other areas.

I thought Barron and Cuyle really showed that they are good hockeyplayers period. Henriksson is so good at getting to pucks, but it also shows that you get by far the biggest output of his game if he plays with someone who benefits 'from just getting the puck'. Like say Panarin, if you can get Panarin the puck a lot is won period. Jagr was the same. Henriksson compares to Straka in this regard. We saw it in Traverse 2 years ago when he did a real fine job centering Kakko and/or Kravy.

Not comparing him to alternatives at when he was drafted, I don't have a good track of the kids in the last draft, when I see Othmann, I have no issues with him. I like that he is tenacious and physical away from the puck. I like that he got the element offensively to back away from the puck and function as a sniper. I think a year in a big role in the CHL will be great for him to round out his game. He has issues but also a lot of ptoential in his skating. He is anything but slow, very quick on his feets, but his stride has issues and he doesn't get the top speed that would help him.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Will Cuylle Media Availability Rookie Camp. Enjoy!

 

[TheDirtyH]

I agree on the Ds.

These type of scrimmages are a perfect fit for Jones, he just mastered the play when he was on the ice. Bought himself time, delivered the passes when they could be made or cleared the puck when it had to be done. As steady as it was possible to be defensively. I am sure that he can eat minutes in the NHL. But go back just 5-10 years ago and there weren't a ton of guys like him in the NHL. Now there are quite many. Don't think teams, us included, view him as someone that gives us a big edge when he is on the ice, while he always will be better than a replacement that is flawed.

I was really impressed with Schneider's play with the puck. We know what he got physically. But just like AK refers to, the jump is big from a CHL league to the NHL for a defender. You will just be challenged in so many ways that you aren't in juniors that you in general just will need time to adjust to it. The same could be true for Nils, but I wouldn't move my betting money from Nils making the team to Jones/Schneider just yet (Jones biggest obstacle is that he is a LD).

For me, when someone like Nils fumbles with the puck a few times in some situation at this point of the season, its just a testament of something that absolute doesn't have to have any bearing on where he will be a week, two weeks, a month or two months from now. And like it works both ways, the guy that is super steady and in the zone today, might not be it a week, two weeks, a month or two months from now. Shesty couldn't have stopped a beachball his first game in Traverse just two years ago. I take note of the fact that Nils made some really good offensive and defensive plays. I didn't quite feel that he was flying on the ice in either direction. Now we move on to the next phase, lets see how it plays out.

I've been high on Reunanen in the past, but he was the biggest disappointment for me. Couldn't execute when he tried to utilize his speed to separate himself from the forecheckers, had some issues in other areas.

I thought Barron and Cuyle really showed that they are good hockeyplayers period. Henriksson is so good at getting to pucks, but it also shows that you get by far the biggest output of his game if he plays with someone who benefits 'from just getting the puck'. Like say Panarin, if you can get Panarin the puck a lot is won period. Jagr was the same. Henriksson compares to Straka in this regard. We saw it in Traverse 2 years ago when he did a real fine job centering Kakko and/or Kravy.

Not comparing him to alternatives at when he was drafted, I don't have a good track of the kids in the last draft, when I see Othmann, I have no issues with him. I like that he is tenacious and physical away from the puck. I like that he got the element offensively to back away from the puck and function as a sniper. I think a year in a big role in the CHL will be great for him to round out his game. He has issues but also a lot of ptoential in his skating. He is anything but slow, very quick on his feets, but his stride has issues and he doesn't get the top speed that would help him.

I agree with most all of this. Jones looked like a player who was too good for the competition at this point, comfortable with his game and the success it's brought and not feeling any pressure to play outside of that or prove himself. Schnieder--watching him I kept thinking about Keith Ballard for some reason. He definitely impressed me with his speed and aggressiveness, but sort of opposite to Jones, he looked like a kid trying to show himself off. Nothing wrong with it, but I agree he's got plenty of room to settle in and that's probably best in the minors.

I don't watch prospects a ton in general, so I can't say I'm that familiar with Nils, but he impressed me. He looked more ready physically than I expected, he's much faster than I thought he'd be, and he's clearly got NHL level tools at this point. He wasn't like Jones, but the scenarios couldn't be more different. One's a third rounder who's risen quickly and gotten pro experience but is also blocked by a lot more veterans on his side. The other is a first rounder who's obviously had a plan--mutually constructed with the org.--and who's lightly penciled in for an NHL spot already. The way he played the scrimmages looked to me a lot more like a player who isn't focused on standing out at this point, but just using the time to get acclimated, get his timing, get adjusted to being on this side of the pond. Ironically, that he looked 'worse'... I interpreted it as a sign of maturity. Might be projection on my part, but that's how it looked to me.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

September 32-in-32: New York Rangers

 

[cwede]

September 32-in-32: New York Rangers

a bit superficial and uninformed,
includes Sjalin (no longer NYR property) (and Ragnarsson signed past rights expiry) but omits Skinner (younger, strong D+1,D+2, AHL this season) completely,
includes very late '21 picks but not Boyko in G section

states re Cuylle "allowing him a chance to start with the team could be deemed a low-risk, high-reward situation, and if he does not find success, he can be sent down for more seasoning."
but that could mean exposing an additional useful player to waivers, and Cuylle can only be sent to OHL, and more than 9 NHL games would burn a contract year.
However good and near-ready Cuylle has looked, a full-time, all-situations, leadership role season in OHL will pay beaucoup benefits later

 

[nyr2k2]

Both Aaltonen and Vaisanen are playing. Neither have a point about halfway through their respective games.

 

[nyr2k2]

Aaltonen had an assist and was -2 in 12:10 for KooKoo, who won 7-4.

Väisänen was -1 in 12:30.

Tärnström picked up a secondary assist and was +1.

 

[nyr2k2]

Brody Lamb has played a couple preseason games in the USHL and is scoreless and -2. He's about a year younger than the league average so he has some wiggle room, but if he's a legitimate NHL prospect you'd like to see him put up some solid numbers this year.

 

[nyr2k2]

For all of you who watch Edstrom, what would you say his height is? His team/the SHL site and stats.swehockey.se list him at 6'4" (technically at 194 cm). EliteProspects lists him at 6'8" but who knows where that number comes from. His page on the NHL website has him at 6'6", which is what I believe he was listed at during the draft.

I've seen him play dozens of times and there's no way he's 6'4", so I don't know where the SHL is getting that number. He towers over most other players. I would say he's 6'6"-6'7". Possibly the 6'8" number. Anyone have any insight?

 

[nyr2k2]

Vaisanen was scoreless today.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

For all of you who watch Edstrom, what would you say his height is? His team/the SHL site and stats.swehockey.se list him at 6'4" (technically at 194 cm). EliteProspects lists him at 6'8" but who knows where that number comes from. His page on the NHL website has him at 6'6", which is what I believe he was listed at during the draft.

I've seen him play dozens of times and there's no way he's 6'4", so I don't know where the SHL is getting that number. He towers over most other players. I would say he's 6'6"-6'7". Possibly the 6'8" number. Anyone have any insight?

The 6'6" number is interesting because he was the 6th pick in the 6th round.

Edström didn't attend the combine back in 2019 so that's not an indicator. I'd have to look into this but the 1,94m to me feels like his measurement when he was first registered in the SHL back in 2018.

FWIW: Here's a photo from 2019 Rangers PDC (Edström on the right, obviously)

The Rangers listed him as 6'6" when they announced the roster for that camp 2 years ago. That's the only reference I can find to his height being 6'6"

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The 6'6" number is interesting because he was the 6th pick in the 6th round.

Edström didn't attend the combine back in 2019 so that's not an indicator. I'd have to look into this but the 1,94m to me feels like his measurement when he was first registered in the SHL back in 2018.

FWIW: Here's a photo from 2019 Rangers PDC (Edström on the right, obviously)

The Rangers listed him as 6'6" when they announced the roster for that camp 2 years ago. That's the only reference I can find to his height being 6'6"

Here's a photo from 3 weeks ago. Edström (2nd from the left) standing next to Tony Sund (3rd from the left) who is listed on the SHL website as 191 cm

 

[nyr2k2]

SHL 6'4"
SHL | stats.swehockey.se 6'4"
Adam Edstrom Stats and News 6'6"
Adam Edström at eliteprospects.com 6'8"

All I know is that he's not 6'4".

 

[Harbour Dog]

I guess 6'6" is the most likely to be right, but he definitely looked bigger to me in those CHL games. I completely bought that he was only an inch off of Chara.

 

[nyr2k2]

In Liiga play, Aaltonen has a game today. In Sweden, Ragnarsson and Lindbum start their Allsvenskan campaigns. Haven't seen the lineups yet for Kristianstads so IDK if Lindbum is starting.

 

[nyr2k2]

Nothing for Aaltonen in 9:47.

Ragnarsson with an assist so far.

Lindbom didn't start--the start went to Frederik Dichow who is younger and played just six games last season.

 

[2014nyr]

re the prospects it was great getting to see those scrimmages - definitely a lot of positive takeaways, although with that kinda sample size when these kids have been on the ice a week any observations are taken with a big grain of salt. the two main ones:

i thought jones looked head and shoulders above nils in that setting. now jones has nhl experience, knows the org / systems etc...so not surprising to see he was more comfortable early. definitely far more confident on the puck and looked like he was moving better. nils on the other hand is seeing everything for the first time and it showed - he may very well acclimate quickly through main camp to the style of play and pace and look like a different player by game 1. but the one area i was a little concerned with was his defending in the zone / puck retrievals. looked very uncomfortable going back and struggled in puck battles - those i have less confidence are quick adjustments. it was 2 games so can't draw any conclusions, but the gap was wide for sure.

the guy i was by far most impressed with though was pajuniemi. he was electric, way better skater than i was expecting. very smart with the puck, showed some good instincts and skill and has a lethal shot he likes to take. spots are tight at the moment, but i am curious how he does in main camp. maybe he falls off against that level, but i loved his pace / skill - hope he at least gets a look in preseason and can earn an opportunity. i had never even considered him an nhl possibility before this...now i dont know how he doesn't make it.

other very pleasant surprise was othmann. very smart little hockey player. hounds the puck - def a pain in the butt to play against, quick in small areas, very smart with creating turnovers and showed good awareness on the puck. reminded me a lot of brendan gallagher...who knows if he gets anywhere near that level, but anything close would be a home run.

 

[egelband]

Nothing for Aaltonen in 9:47.

Ragnarsson with an assist so far.

Lindbom didn't start--the start went to Frederik Dichow who is younger and played just six games last season.

I thought we lost Ragnarsson’s rights this past summer. No? If he does put it together can we keep him, assuming we still hold his rights, now.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I thought we lost Ragnarsson’s rights this past summer. No? If he does put it together can we keep him, assuming we still hold his rights, now.

Ragnarsson was drafted out of Europe at age 18, which means his rights expire after 4 years. He was drafted in 2018, so we have his rights until 2022.

You must be thinking of Calle Själin, a different Swedish defenseman, who plays for Leksands IF in SHL and was drafted in 2017.

 

[egelband]

Ragnarsson was drafted out of Europe at age 18, which means his rights expire after 4 years. He was drafted in 2018, so we have his rights until 2022.

You must be thinking of Calle Själin, a different Swedish defenseman, who plays for Leksands IF in SHL and was drafted in 2017.

No ELC for Raggy, right?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

No ELC for Raggy, right?

No. As of now, only 3 players on an ELC will not be playing either in New York, Hartford of Jacksonville:

- Karl Henriksson (Not AHL/ECHL eligible due to transfer agreement exemption)
- Brennan Othmann and Will Cuylle (Not AHL/ECHL eligible due to CHL exemption)