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I know Chayka just said otherwise, but was Dvorak on the table at all for Step you think?
The original deals being floated around here were Dvorak+7th+DeAngelo which would be been amazing
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The original deals being floated around here were Dvorak+7th+DeAngelo which would be been amazing
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Every time I read about Lias or watched him last year I can't help but think of Chris Drury. I think we would all take that kind of player at 7 and any team would. All winning teams have a guy like Drury was.
Agree that it should be in tiers, disagree with the actual tiers
As of draft day.
Tier 1: Pettersson & Hischier
Tier 2: Patrick, Brännström, Vilardi, Heiskanen and Liljegren
Tier 3: Tolvanen, Andersson, Mittelstadt etc etc etc
Tier 5: Rasmussen ;P
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It's kind of sad we couldn't strike the deal to get up and draft Pettersson (as it was discussed at length on here that is who they wanted to take). It worked out in the end because we got Chytil. We'd would have had to move those two picks to get to 3, maybe more, and it looks like we made it work in the end.
Imagine the uproar if we traded 7 and 21 to Dallas, they took Mittelstadt and Chytil (Yamamoto would have been more likely as Filip was an "off the board" pick). Even with Pettersson, people we'd have that group of outraged people.
Imagine the uproar if we traded 7 and 21 to Dallas, they took Mittelstadt and Chytil (Yamamoto would have been more likely as Filip was an "off the board" pick). Even with Pettersson, people we'd have that group of outraged people.
Oscar Lindberg
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Ehhh
Not sure I believe that. Assuming we got Pettersson, and he put up the year he had last year, pretty sure everyone would be fine.
He's arguably the best prospect in the world sans Dahlin.
No I don’t think Chayka was willing to include Dvorak. Tippett wanted to get a Stepan deal done for over a year. He didn’t want the Coyotes to draft Strome in the first place. He wanted Maloney to trade the pick for Doug Hamilton (a deal was on the table) The Coyotes had a three headed hockey organization in 2016-17 (Chayka, Tippett and part owner Gary Drummond) until Andrew Barroway bought out the other partners. When Barroway bought out his partners, Drummond was out and Chayka won the power struggle. The Coyotes immediately cut Shane Doan and Tippet packed his bags and left even though he had four years to run on his contract. Strome was not impressive in his first two Coyote camps.
Give Chayka credit...he made his offer to the Rangers and stuck to it. Knowing the players involved I said then and will say it again, the Rangers did not get enough for Stepan. I had the benefit of seeing a very unimpressive D’Angelo for half a season.
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Pajuniemi and Sjalin with an assist each. Shesterkin perfect in the half he played. Reunanen with a 2 minute penalty.
Sjalin highlight below....
Pajuniemi and Sjalin with an assist each. Shesterkin perfect in the half he played. Reunanen with a 2 minute penalty.
Sjalin highlight below....
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Ugh, what’s new. Such a boring prospect.
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I use my Kakko jersey as pajamas now.
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Strome is such an interesting prospect.
Downright dominant in the OHL.
Very good at times, but not necessarily dominant in the AHL.
Two years worth of struggles to convert his talents to the NHL level.
Downright dominant in the OHL.
Very good at times, but not necessarily dominant in the AHL.
Two years worth of struggles to convert his talents to the NHL level.
It's quite pathetic to see the bashing of Andersson with members of this fan base. Kid debuted in the NHL at 18.
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2 years of struggles to convert to the NHL?
He's been pro player for 1 season, and he put up over a PPG in the AHL as a rookie, led his team is points(and had more point than anyone on the Pack did), 4th in rookie scoring despite playing 15-25 less games than the 3 above him. How that equates to struggling to convert to the NHL pretty mind boggling. I know a lot of people aren't the biggest fan of him because of his skating but he has done nothing at this point to suggest he won't be a very successful NHL player.
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He did play 7 games in the NHL at the start of the 2016-17 season before being sent back to the OHL, though I wouldn't call that struggles. It's hard for most players do go directly from juniors to the NHL, particularly at age 19.
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Yea, i'm not counting that as a pro season and it doesn't count as a pro season per NHL standards either.
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Not really sure what part is particularly mind boggling.
He’s had two so/so NHL camps, a fairly up and down AHL season and his foot speed particularly stands out when playing against NHL completion.
Yeah, he can put up solid AHL numbers — primarily boosted by the power play. He scored more than 40 percent of his goals with the man advantage, and a decent percentage of his points as well.
Even strength? Not nearly as impressive for a former third overall pick who specialized as an offensive dynamo in the OHL.
And that’s a challenge for a guy whose defense and other attributes have always been offset by gaudy offensive numbers. That’s also a big reason the Coyotes delayed recalling him last season.
So yes, the struggle to convert those skills at the NHL level is real. The debate isn’t about what he can do at the AHL level.
Can he adjust and transition into an NHL player? Yes, but it hasn’t happened yet. As evidenced by his actual play at the NHL level.
So, moving beyond that, what is the expectation? At this point, the hope might be for more of a second line center type. I’m not sure the skating, or the ability to dictate the flow of play in situations outside the power play is going to be there for a top line pivot. But even then, he has some work to do to get there.
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He scored almost .5 points as a 20 year old rookie in the NHL during his cup of tea in the NHL, where are you getting he is so/so? Not everyone is Crosby when they walk into the NHL. Usally i'm in agreement with you, but I feel you're pretty off base with Strome. He has done absolutely nothing sub par since he was drafted unless you expected him to dominate the NHL as a 20 year old.
Thanks for bolding NHL, again, he turned 21 at the end of the last NHL season, not everyone jumps right into the NHL, most go to the AHL for a bit. To hold that against him and call it struggles is mind boggling.
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The only thing stopping Strome from being a top 9 (top 6 really) NHL C right now is ice time, a player who destroys every League he plays in like Strome has will be a good NHLer… But because he's big and doesn't skate well he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, instead i bet you that coaches Think he's lazy because he looks lazy because he's big and doesn't skate well. Give him top 6 minutes and 2 competent wingers and he'll produce above what's expected for his role, i guarantee it.
It's possible the rest of his game weighs him down a bit but if so then you shelter him, he'll score points and points are important.
It's possible the rest of his game weighs him down a bit but if so then you shelter him, he'll score points and points are important.
Edge is spot on here. At D+3, Strome is a big question mark. His skating has not improved and he doesn’t have a 200 foot game. He will have an NHL career but I’m doubtful it will be as a top line center...more likely a middle six winger.
To clarify, with good usage he'll easily outscore any flaws he has in his game, i'm very confident in this. He demolished OHL for 3 years and then he's one of the best players in the AHL at 20, how many of those players aren't above average NHLers?
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I like Andersson a lot by the way but short term maybe up to 3-4-5 years out this probably works better for Arizona than the Rangers....or at least anyway until Andersson really starts to make his mark and then we can reassess. To me DeAngelo right now is a roll of the dice. There is a 2nd pair right D slot he can walk into but he's going to have to do more than be slick with the puck--he's going to have to put up some real offense and he's going to have to be solid defensively and capable of handling the penalty kill. Those things did not happen at all last year. Maybe the coaching--maybe not. If it's the same story for him this year with a new coaching group as it was last year he won't last.
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