Agree. Keep him. No interest in paying Trouba the 8+ million his greedy behind will ask for. Rangers the way this rebuild is going will have a lot of young players at the same time. Eventually, you will have 7 or 8 guys that will get those 2.5 to 4 million bridge contracts. You can't keep them when you start paying dopes like Trouba 8+ million.
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Irishguy42
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Nice that Lindbom is still on the radar, given he barely played last season.
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Yeah. The reason for his lack of games was an injury though so it shouldn't affect him going forward. The limited no of games he played he was outstanding
IDK if he was outstanding. In the regular portion of the J20 schedule he was 1-1 with a 2.89 and .898. In the Top 10 segment (obviously the more difficult slate) he was 4-2 with a 2.68 and .901. And of course he was the starter in one playoff game, which he won while allowing 2 goals with a .923 save percent. Considering he's still young even for J20 and he was injured during/after his second game, I'd say it was all "fine", but I don't know that he did anything outstanding. It was just kind of a tough year for him.
As far as losing a spot, unless you're a real star player, I don't think anyone has a safe spot on a WJC roster unless the nation has a severe dearth of other options. If they have other options you might find yourself on the outside looking in. I'm glad he'll have the chance to compete, and if he can do well in the early camp and for Mora, he can definitely make it. I'm not sure what his odds are--I'd need to see who else was invited.
As I said, though, glad he's still at least being considered.
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Forgetting his draft position and all those debates for a second, Lindbom is a talented prospect. Unfortunately, injuries robbed him of much of last season. But there's a lot of upside and potential there.
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I don't want to be THAT guy, but his numbers don't do his performance justice. He was really good in the SE Top10. The call up to the senior team was probably the best thing that happened to him. After that, he came back with so much confidence and it showed. I think Lindbom did everything he could have done after returning from injury. The contract from Mora was the biggest reward for his performance and I am happy he is "likely" going to play pro hockey next season
If you're going to tell me you watched his 3 or 4 starts in the Top 10 after he served as backup for the big club, and that he was outstanding, I can't really argue with you since I didn't watch those games. It just seems hard for me to believe, but whatever. I've never questioned his ability, so it wouldn't be surprising. Just seems strange that he was outstanding in those six starts, yet Wallden posted vastly superior numbers in twice the starts (Wallden is older, of course, but that to me is irrelevant as we're just talking performance, not development) and also killed it in the playoffs.
As far as "did everything he could" after coming back, he only played in 5 or 6 games after that. I honestly don't know how much he could have done.
I'd love for him to make the WJC squad, but I'm not optimistic about it. It would be cool if he does, given that he seems to do his best work in international competitions.
Sure, as I just mentioned above, I haven't ever doubted the talent. He was considered one of the top goalies last draft, and for a reason. My issue with him has solely been where he was selected. But I root for him like all other Rangers prospects, and I do believe there's reason for optimism with him.
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Part of this is because he spent time with the senior team backing up their starting goalie, and also because the SE Top10 7 sets of back-to-back games for Djurgården, so they aren't going to give Lindbom both starts, once he was back on the team.
Of the 18 total games, he missed 2 due to his injury, missed 3 due to his SHL call up and of the remaining 13 games he played 6. That's basically what I expected considering the back-to-backs
"He did everything he could", to me anyway, implied something performance-based. My point was that it's tough to do a whole lot to impress or change the overall perception of your season when you're only playing six games (and "only" playing six games wasn't meant as a criticism of him).
Anyway, looks like his competition at least in the initial camp is Eliasson and Portillo. They both had excellent seasons in J20 last year. Portillo is a college guy so IDK if they'll take him. I would think Eliasson is a safe bet. So we'll see how it shakes out.
Goalie is the last thing we have to worry about. If Lindbom turns out to be a prospect who gets on a roll and Georgiev and Shesterkin are killing it, then it's a huge bonus. You can't have two, number 1's. See Beezer and Richter. Both will want to get paid. I wouldn't have used that pick on a goalie but considering how Gorton seems to stock pile high picks with ease, I'm not doubting him.
What I find funny with THN is how they always underrate the Rangers prospects. Dobson was rated 10th. He plays against children and half the goalies he faces are hacks. College is much tougher than juniors. Most of the players are 20-21 and the goalies are much better. K'Andre who IMO was having a better year than Dobson before he got hurt was rated 62. Laughable. They rated Walhstrom 30th and he sucked last year. He wasn't impressive at all. Morgan Barron was a much, much, better player than Walhstrom and he wasn't even ranked. This is why I don't get caught up in rankings our system. The writers are small market clowns for the most part that hate NY.
I was trying to think of the last, big, hulking forward the Rangers stole with a late round pick. I couldn't even find one Nemchinov was the closest I could find. Sad. I think Barron will be a big part of the future.
What I find funny with THN is how they always underrate the Rangers prospects. Dobson was rated 10th. He plays against children and half the goalies he faces are hacks. College is much tougher than juniors. Most of the players are 20-21 and the goalies are much better. K'Andre who IMO was having a better year than Dobson before he got hurt was rated 62. Laughable. They rated Walhstrom 30th and he sucked last year. He wasn't impressive at all. Morgan Barron was a much, much, better player than Walhstrom and he wasn't even ranked. This is why I don't get caught up in rankings our system. The writers are small market clowns for the most part that hate NY.
I was trying to think of the last, big, hulking forward the Rangers stole with a late round pick. I couldn't even find one Nemchinov was the closest I could find. Sad. I think Barron will be a big part of the future.
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The goalie situation on this team will be interesting for sure in the years to come..
K'andre was better than Dobson for sure, man am I happy with that, this kid could be huge for us in a few years.
I am so psyched on Barron, I hope he keeps progressing and becomes a big piece for us later as well.
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Lots of prospect ranking is about trying to project the upside of a player combined with where he's at now combined with the kind of skills he has...etc
Dobson over someone like Miller is likely largely influenced by his perceived upside and talent (going fairly high in the draft)...Miller has a lot of ground to make up in order to overcome those draft day influences. Is it right? Is it wrong? I don't think you can throw out years of scouting and judge solely on their post draft years when you're only 1 year out, but there's definitely a tipping point where you need to evaluate a prospect based on their current play and not just projections and previous accolades.
Walhstrom was pretty decent in the AHL from what I hear but the bigger thing is that his upside is far far greater than someone like Barron (who is also older). Barron looks like a solid prospect but no one is saying "hey this guy could score 30-40 goals in the NHL" like they are with Wahlstrom. If Wahlstrom struggles again next season and the one after that, and Barron excels, goes pro, does great? Maybe he really does become a better prospect than Wahlstrom despite any potential that Wahlstrom may have had, but we're years from Wahlstrom being declared a bust.
Evaluating skills and potential along with results is always going to be a big part of prospect evaluation and will always lead to some guys looking like they're further along at one step but being ranked lower because their skills and perceived potential is lower than someone else.
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I totally get that.
Having said that, I feel like we spend so much time talking about the draft position, that we don’t actually talk about him as a prospect.
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You could work on your math skills a bit. If you have 8 guys making $4 mil per (your high end)--that's 32 mil--the cap keeps going up--in 5 years we could be pushing $100 mil---that's also an eventuality. 8 guys (over 1/3 of your roster doesn't put a great dent into that. So then there's no worries about being cap compliant. Are you trying to save Jimmy Dolan a few million bucks?---because he's wealthy enough where he probably wouldn't notice $10 million here--$25 million there.
Here's the thing about paying guys like Trouba and Panarin. If they are your best defenseman or forward and they help a team start to slot their players correctly--there's real value in that. As well having a couple guys making lots of money gives other players incentives--they're less apt to think that you're just being cheap with your payroll--that they'll get the big $'s once they've proven they're the real deal. I mean we could run with DeAngelo, Fox or Shattenkirk as the #1 RD this year and see how 25 minutes a night work out for them but odds are they're not going to be any better of a fit as a 1RD than Pionk was last year or we can get someone like Trouba who plays in all situations and can handle 25 minutes a night and then we don't have to put our other RD's in situations that are over their heads. That's what we did last year anyway--it didn't work--why would we do it again if we don't have to.
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Until he plays any meaningful minutes he's going to be that pick the Rangers thought they could outsmart everyone else in the room with....
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Ugh, that phrase is one of those HFBoards sayings that makes my eyes roll to the back of my head.
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I teach math. I've forgotten more about math then you will ever know. If you know anything about the NHL, when you start paying guys 8 million, you run into cap nonsense and that can't be disputed. You just wasted a ton of time typing nonsense.
agreed 100% that you don't need to have 2 #1 goalies...i forget the exact quote but if you have 2 #1 goalies, you have no #1 goalie. that said though I'll worry about the issues created by having a 2nd #1 goalie after we have a 1st #1 goalie. we've got guys with potential but far from proven...
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