Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 6.27.19)

[Ola]

Honestly don't see the point to qualify Bergman. If I'm not mistaken if he were to be qualified, he'd be put on NYR reserve list which only holds a certain amount of players on it. I think I'd rather leave that spot open for some potential prospects that could be traded to NYR once moves start getting made. Bergman never really showed anything special to really garner a qualifying offer, IMO, to begin with.

I didn’t see him at all in the AHL and don’t know where a player is at, but generally sometimes playing a year or two in Europe after a few years in NA can really push a kid’s development forward. I don’t mind keeping a kids right in a situation like this.

 

[Fitzy]

I didn’t see him at all in the AHL and don’t know where a player is at, but generally sometimes playing a year or two in Europe after a few years in NA can really push a kid’s development forward. I don’t mind keeping a kids right in a situation like this.

Worked wonders for Dadonov, that's for sure.

One of the reasons that I'm surprised Dawes never tried to come back.

 

[Joey Bones]

I believe this says he re-signed for 2 years

NYR rights to him should expire, he turns 27 in March

https://www.jokerit.com/lisaa-maaleja-luvassa-nicklas-jensen-jatkaa-joukkueessa

Per capfriendly, Rangers will lose the rights to Jensen after the 19/20 season....

 

[nyr2k2]

Per capfriendly, Rangers will lose the rights to Jensen after the 19/20 season....

Capfriendly, at some point last year, changed his rights expiration to "27 Y.O. Birthday". Assuming that means we lose his rights when he turns 27, that would be March 6, 2020. Honestly I'm not sure why that's the case. I understand free agency for 27 or 7 players in the NHL but I haven't seen anything that would explain why we would lose Jensen's rights at 27.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Capfriendly, at some point last year, changed his rights expiration to "27 Y.O. Birthday". Assuming that means we lose his rights when he turns 27, that would be March 6, 2020. Honestly I'm not sure why that's the case. I understand free agency for 27 or 7 players in the NHL but I haven't seen anything that would explain why we would lose Jensen's rights at 27.

From what I remember, the difference is in whether or not the player has been under contract already.

If a player "defects" the rights expire on the first July 1st the player is 27 years old. (i.e. Nicklas Jensen, Mikhail Grigorenko, Nail Yakupov)

If a player never comes over, the rights don't expire. (i.e. Mikhail Pashnin, Sergei Mozyakin)

 

[nyr2k2]

Still early in the off-season, but Mora has not yet signed a goalkeeper other than Wallin, a holdover, and Lindbom. This would be good for Lindbom as Wallin hasn't done much of note in his career, and LIndbom is the more heralded player. That said, Lindbom is still really young, and Wallin is only 21, so it seems like Mora might want to bring in someone with more experience, particularly given that Lindbom could easily be sent to the J20.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Still early in the off-season, but Mora has not yet signed a goalkeeper other than Wallin, a holdover, and Lindbom. This would be good for Lindbom as Wallin hasn't done much of note in his career, and LIndbom is the more heralded player. That said, Lindbom is still really young, and Wallin is only 21, so it seems like Mora might want to bring in someone with more experience, particularly given that Lindbom could easily be sent to the J20.

Training camp begins August 15th, and it includes 2 games in Belfast against CHL team Giants.

We should know more by then but I feel Lindbom has a good chance of making an impact this coming season

 

[egelband]

My rationale with Claesson was that he's a fine 6/7 and that's something of value until he is actually forced out by a kid. Not just forced out on paper. And when that happens you waive him and he's either claimed or goes to Hartford.

The other scenario is maybe you find a team desperate for a guy to plug into their 5/6 spot with some experience and some upside, and you get a sixth or a seventh. I know it seems mostly unlikely with Claesson but who would have thought that Mazanec, who was not even close to as good at his job as Claesson is at his, would return a seventh? It's good to have as many cheap assets as possible, because they always have the potential, slim as it may be, to become something else. That's why I think they should and will keep Claesson.

Bergman, it's just a matter of there's really no reason not to qualify him. He won't sign so I don't think he'd count against the 50 limit since he's not actually under contract, and the 90 reserve limit is irrelevant as no team ever gets even close to that number.

I don't actually think Bergman will ever play in the NHL, but he was once a very promising prospect. If we can retain his rights for essentially nothing, why give them up? I mean, we could have renounced the rights to Pashnin (different mechanism since he's in the KHL, but same situation) but we've held onto them, and now he's 30. We did that with Ilya Gorokhov until he was like 32 or something. We'll keep Jensen's rights until we no longer can because we don't want him signing with another NHL team. There's just no reason to let a guy like Bergman, who may still have potential, enter UFA status if we can retain his rights. I would assume the Rangers planned for this when acquiring him, otherwise his inclusion in the deal would have been truly pointless.

I would leave it totally up to Claesson. If another team is willing to give him a better shot, Rangers don't hold him hostage. If he can't find a better shot, sure, give him a contract. But I suspect he's might be a regular on another team and if so, good for him.

 

[egelband]

Worked wonders for Dadonov, that's for sure.

One of the reasons that I'm surprised Dawes never tried to come back.

I love that about hockey. There are alternative leagues and countries for guys to go and make great lives for themselves. Doesn't feel so contrived and life-death for these guys, like baseball and American football. Though at least with baseball, a few players can make a go of it in Japan and a couple other places. But hockey players can thrive elsewhere. Love that.

 

[nyr2k2]

I would leave it totally up to Claesson. If another team is willing to give him a better shot, Rangers don't hold him hostage. If he can't find a better shot, sure, give him a contract. But I suspect he's might be a regular on another team and if so, good for him.

Certainly a noble approach, but precisely why I'd want to keep him. I, too, think that he can be a regular on a bottom pair somewhere. And because of that, I want to hold onto him, find that team or those teams, and see if we can squeeze a late pick or mid-level prospect out of them. Maybe give the player some opportunity to provide input on where they're like to go or something, if offers are about equal. Even if he's only worth a sixth or seventh, I still want that pick. LOL.

EDIT: It's sorta like Teddy Bridgewater and the Jets. I know the circumstances are different and Bridgewater is more well-regarded than Claesson. But the Jets signed Teddy knowing that a) he could conceivably be the backup and b) if he looked pretty good, someone would likely want to acquire him. And they ended up flipping him for a third. It was basically like they signed a draft pick. LOL. Not totally sure anyone would trade for Claesson but I think it's worth a gamble.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I love that about hockey. There are alternative leagues and countries for guys to go and make great lives for themselves. Doesn't feel so contrived and life-death for these guys, like baseball and American football. Though at least with baseball, a few players can make a go of it in Japan and a couple other places. But hockey players can thrive elsewhere. Love that.

Exactly. And the pay isn't bad in the top leagues in Europe. It's not 8 million a year, but it certainly beats the AHL salary

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I love that about hockey. There are alternative leagues and countries for guys to go and make great lives for themselves. Doesn't feel so contrived and life-death for these guys, like baseball and American football. Though at least with baseball, a few players can make a go of it in Japan and a couple other places. But hockey players can thrive elsewhere. Love that.

Exactly. And the pay isn't bad in the top leagues in Europe. It's not 8 million a year, but it certainly beats the AHL salary

Yep. Christian Dube, for example, did very well for himself in Bern.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yep. Christian Dube, for example, did very well for himself in Bern.

Off the top of my head, the max salaries in KHL, SHL, Allsvenskan, Liiga, NL, EBEL and DEL are higher than the max salary on a 2-way deal in the AHL

 

[Fitzy]

I love that about hockey. There are alternative leagues and countries for guys to go and make great lives for themselves. Doesn't feel so contrived and life-death for these guys, like baseball and American football. Though at least with baseball, a few players can make a go of it in Japan and a couple other places. But hockey players can thrive elsewhere. Love that.

Yeah American football is like winning the lottery, and all the while hoping you don't get an injury that costs you 80 million dollars and a career.

Hockey and Soccer both have a lot of options for 2nd and third tier places for guys to play that make okay money. A few of my college teammates were able to play long and happy careers in Germany and Switzerland for white-collar pay.

 

[nyr2k2]

AHL players on AHL deals can make up to, I believe, $400K per year. If it's not $400K, it's something very close to that. So, if a player chooses, you can make a very good career as a 4A player. That's why guys like Newbury, Chris Bourque, Hensick, Giroux, Keith Aucoin, etc., are willing to stick around in the AHL for upwards of 15 years in some cases (Gernander did it, too). If you show you're a top AHL player, you can make really good money on an AHL deal. The other element is the guys probably feel that the next shot at the NHL is more attainable if they're in the AHL than playing overseas.

So, you've got options domestically as well.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

AHL players on AHL deals can make up to, I believe, $400K per year. If it's not $400K, it's something very close to that. So, if a player chooses, you can make a very good career as a 4A player. That's why guys like Newbury, Chris Bourque, Hensick, Giroux, Keith Aucoin, etc., are willing to stick around in the AHL for upwards of 15 years in some cases (Gernander did it, too). If you show you're a top AHL player, you can make really good money on an AHL deal. The other element is the guys probably feel that the next shot at the NHL is more attainable if they're in the AHL than playing overseas.

So, you've got options domestically as well.

Correct. There's a lot more to pro hockey than just NHL.

 

[nyr2k2]

Off the top of my head, the max salaries in KHL, SHL, Allsvenskan, Liiga, NL, EBEL and DEL are higher than the max salary on a 2-way deal in the AHL

What are the max salaries in those leagues? The max AHL salary on a two-way NHL SPC is well into the hundreds of thousands. Only on an ELC is it capped at the lower $70K threshold.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

What are the max salaries in those leagues? The max AHL salary on a two-way NHL SPC is well into the hundreds of thousands. Only on an ELC is it capped at the lower $70K threshold.

KHL: 3.5m
SHL: 400k
NL: 550k
Liiga: 250k
CZH: 225k
DEL: 200k
EBEL: 160k
HA: 80k

* When I referred to 2-way deal I was talking about the ELC max since that's usually a reason players prefer to stay in Europe for another year

 

[nyr2k2]

KHL: 3.5m
SHL: 400k
NL: 550k
Liiga: 250k
CZH: 225k
DEL: 200k
EBEL: 160k
HA: 80k

* When I referred to 2-way deal I was talking about the ELC max since that's usually a reason players prefer to stay in Europe for another year

OK, I only saw Bergman, Dube, Dawes, and Dadonov mentioned, so I didn't think we were talking about ELCs...just places guys could go to play other than the AHL. Or where they could go play after spending a few years here.

 

[Leetch3]

AHL players on AHL deals can make up to, I believe, $400K per year. If it's not $400K, it's something very close to that. So, if a player chooses, you can make a very good career as a 4A player. That's why guys like Newbury, Chris Bourque, Hensick, Giroux, Keith Aucoin, etc., are willing to stick around in the AHL for upwards of 15 years in some cases (Gernander did it, too). If you show you're a top AHL player, you can make really good money on an AHL deal. The other element is the guys probably feel that the next shot at the NHL is more attainable if they're in the AHL than playing overseas.

So, you've got options domestically as well.

is there capfriendly site for the AHL? capfriendly only has guys signed to nhl teams

 

[nyr2k2]

is there capfriendly site for the AHL? capfriendly only has guys signed to nhl teams

Unfortunately not that I have seen. It would be awesome, but really hard since most of the information is never publicized.

 

[Joey Bones]

Still early in the off-season, but Mora has not yet signed a goalkeeper other than Wallin, a holdover, and Lindbom. This would be good for Lindbom as Wallin hasn't done much of note in his career, and LIndbom is the more heralded player. That said, Lindbom is still really young, and Wallin is only 21, so it seems like Mora might want to bring in someone with more experience, particularly given that Lindbom could easily be sent to the J20.

Agreed. Mentioned this a while back that Lindbom has a very good chance to be starting with Mora in the fall. They seem to be on a rebuild seeing that 16 of their players are aged 22 and younger. They also signed ex-Traverse City player Niki Petti.

 

[egelband]

Yeah American football is like winning the lottery, and all the while hoping you don't get an injury that costs you 80 million dollars and a career.

OT but I find it awful that such a risky violent sport doesn't have guaranteed contracts. The average NFL player is treated like an animal. It's pretty gross.

 

[Fitzy]

OT but I find it awful that such a risky violent sport doesn't have guaranteed contracts. The average NFL player is treated like an animal. It's pretty gross.

If they did, salaries and contract lengths would drop, but it would certainly be more egalitarian.

They should find a way to do an LTIR system where injured players still get money (The owners are doing just fine) but a team isn't devastated against the cap.

 

[cozandeffect]

If they did, salaries and contract lengths would drop, but it would certainly be more egalitarian.

They should find a way to do an LTIR system where injured players still get money (The owners are doing just fine) but a team isn't devastated against the cap.

I feel like that's the main issue though. LTIR only makes sense in a hard cap system with guaranteed contracts. If an NHL team is over the cap with an injured guy they need LTIR because they can't cut him and make that salary go away almost immediately. An NFL team doesn't need that as a cap tool so why would they care about using it? Plus "Why pay a guy if you don't have to" has been the NFL's model forever and I feel like the owners like it that way. It may screw up their cap a bit but at this point the cap is so high and goes up so much every year, dead money doesn't really matter anymore.

And to be honest that would require that the owners actually care about their players, which with a few exceptions has been proven to not be the case.