Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 6.27.19)

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Virta at this point was a real reach. Last year for him was too average. He wasn't bad but he didn't really leave a big mark in either the KHL or SHL. I could see him in a couple years maybe getting signed by somebody though--maybe even us.
 
Eh, his overall performance last year didn't inspire a lot of confidence. I thought he was 50/50 for a contract, at best. And the Rangers didn't really "lose" him here, it looks pretty apparent that they just didn't want to offer him a contract. Despite Virta saying most of the year he planned on coming over.
 
Since virta has said he is coming to play in NA this year it still is possible he has signed a contract to play in Hartford.
 
Since virta has said he is coming to play in NA this year it still is possible he has signed a contract to play in Hartford.
I suppose anything is possible. Although if the Rangers wanted him in Hartford wouldn't they just give him a standard ELC? He'd be making probably the same money, and if he worked out, he'd be under contract to the Rangers. Whereas if he just signs an AHL deal, and works out, he could just sign anywhere. If he signed an AHL deal at this point, it probably wouldn't be with Hartford. The Rangers didn't want him.

My guess is he stays in the SHL or goes back to Liiga.
 
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I feel like Virta is a player who probably would've been signed if this was 2016 or 2017. But the Rangers are going to have several entry level contracts coming on board not only this season, but also next year and (possibly) the year beyond depending on several factors.
Absolutely. Figure you've got Elmer, Fontaine, Gettinger, Gropp, Meskanen, and Newell likely to spend significant time in Hartford, plus guys like Ronning, Lettieri, and Leedahl who could see time there. Add to that Fogarty, Beleskey, AHL deal guys like Nick Jones, and likely a couple other 4A-type players, and it gets really tight. Couple this with Virta having a mediocre season, and it's hard to see where he'd fit.
 
Absolutely. Figure you've got Elmer, Fontaine, Gettinger, Gropp, Meskanen, and Newell likely to spend significant time in Hartford, plus guys like Ronning, Lettieri, and Leedahl who could see time there. Add to that Fogarty, Beleskey, AHL deal guys like Nick Jones, and likely a couple other 4A-type players, and it gets really tight. Couple this with Virta having a mediocre season, and it's hard to see where he'd fit.

You also figure next year you've probably got Barron, maybe someone from the 2019 class signing a contract, and possibly someone from the 2020 draft class a short while later. Then you have wingers who are more likely to get looks on the wings (despite the intrigue of doing the opposite), and I can see where he was the odd man out in this scenario.
 
Here is what we know.

Our friend, Amazing Kreiderman, wrote this article Rangers prospect, Patrik Virta coming over this summer? - FOREVER BLUESHIRTS, in which he quotes a Finnish article from March as saying that Virta would not be offered a contract extension with Örebro because he was coming to the US to join the Rangers organization. No other North American team could talk to Virta until June 1 so if he knew he was coming to North America in March it had to be to play for the Rangers organization.

In answer to nyr2k2 the Rangers as well as all other teams sign some prospects to minor league contracts. Nick Jones is a good recent example. The reason to sign players to minor league contracts is to preserve some contract spaces for the fifty man contract limit and to not tie up a contract long term such as the Rangers being stuck with Dawson Leedahl for three years when he can barely crack an AHL lineup. This is essentially a try out contract where the Rangers can cut ties if the player doesn't work out and sign the player to an NHL contract if he shows promise.

Finally, while it is true that Hartford will have lots of young players next year, isn't that a good problem to have? Three years ago we were complaining that there were few prospects in Hartford. The players will compete with those not making the grade starting in Maine and being eligible to being called up if they play well in Maine and as injuries mount. I'm not sure why having many good players is a problem.

I have no inside information that Virta will sign a Hartford contract but I don't think we can rule it out. Look for whether Virta is invited to the Rangers development camp in late June.
 
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Here is what we know.

Our friend, Amazing Kreiderman, wrote this article Rangers prospect, Patrik Virta coming over this summer? - FOREVER BLUESHIRTS, in which he quotes a Finnish article from March as saying that Virta would not be offered a contract extension with Örebro because he was coming to the US to join the Rangers organization. No other North American team could talk to Virta until June 1 so if he knew he was coming to North America in March it had to be to play for the Rangers organization.

In answer to nyr2k2 the Rangers as well as all other teams sign some prospects to minor league contracts. Nick Jones is a good recent example. The reason to sign players to minor league contracts is to preserve some contract spaces for the fifty man contract limit and to not tie up a contract long term such as the Rangers being stuck with Dawson Leedahl for three years when he can barely crack an AHL lineup. This is essentially a try out contract where the Rangers can cut ties if the player doesn't work out and sign the player to an NHL contract if he shows promise.

Finally, while it is true that Hartford will have lots of young players next year, isn't that a good problem to have? Three years ago we were complaining that there were few prospects in Hartford. The players will compete with those not making the grade starting in Maine and being eligible to being called up if they play well in Maine and as injuries mount. I'm not sure why having many good players is a problem.

I have no inside information that Virta will sign a Hartford contract but I don't think we can rule it out. Look for whether Virta is invited to the Rangers development camp in late June.
Well, couple things. I believe the article AK referenced said that Virta was unlikely to re-sign with Orebro because he wanted to go compete for a spot with the Rangers. Prior to that, his coach had made a similar statement, that Virta wouldn't be with Orebro long as he saw it as a stepping stone to playing in North America. Both of those statements would indicate a player wanting/hoping/expecting to be given a chance to play with/for the Rangers or an affiliate, but nothing reported anywhere else indicated the Rangers were planning on offering him a deal of any sort or even intimated that they would do so. To the best of my recollection, anyway. A guy can plan to come over all he wants, but if the team that controls his rights isn't interested, it doesn't really matter.

I know teams sign players to minor league contracts. Nick Jones, as you said, is a fine example. Jones, and many other guys graduating college or aging out of junior hockey, sign minor league deals because they're fringe prospects and teams generally aren't offering them ELCs. Guys like Elmer and Newell are offered ELCs because they're viewed as a tier or two above a Nick Jones, and there's generally competition among teams to sign them--meaning it takes an ELC to get them in your organization. There was even some mild competition for Dawson Leedahl, who had some good underlying numbers, which necessitated him receiving an ELC. So, yeah, it's cool if you can sign guys to minors deals, but the good ones generally don't want to go that route (you have exceptions like JAM who turned down an ELC initially feeling he could play a year on an AHL deal and get a better contract later, but those are rare). I mean, who else have we had turn an AHL deal into an ELC? Parlett? There's probably someone I'm forgetting.

Every single season people bring up the 50-man limit as something that could be a problem, and it never is. And any time we've ever needed to move out contracts, we've been able to do that without problem. If you have a guy who deserves an SPC, you give him one; you don't potentially lose him for nothing because you might be tight against the 50-man. If we thought Virta was a worthwhile signing, he'd be signed. As it is, he could go anywhere.

Can you think of any prospects that we have had that we didn't offer a contract to, letting our rights lapse, only to bring in on an AHL deal? We didn't sign Morrison, and that was it for him with us--no invites to a camp or anything. He played another year then signed elsewhere. Keegan Iverson disappeared. We let go of Mantha and, like Morrison, he was done in our organization. He later signed with Edmonton before his horrible injury. We were annoyed that Spelling stayed in Denmark and never tried to bring him back. McColgan and Ceresnak--rights lapsed, done. Maggio--done. Doyle and Gaulton--done. I could go on and on. My point is, when the team doesn't offer you a contract by the deadline to retain your rights, it's almost a complete certainty that they are not interested in your services and will not be bringing you to camp or anything like that. You may have a career elsewhere, but not with the Rangers. I'm not familiar enough with other teams but I am relatively certain this would be the case elsewhere.

And yes, finally, it is good to have an abundance of youth in Hartford. However, as we have seen, you also need to balance that youth with established, successful, veteran players. If you have 4-5 guys who are of the "4A" caliber up front, plus 4-5 legitimate prospects battling for substantial roles, then you've got the rest of the guys battling for scraps in terms of minutes. Now if the team thought Virta could step right in and be a contributor, I have no doubt he'd be in the core group. They brought in similar guys like Meskanen and Lindqvist last year. However, they elected not to sign him to his ELC, which again, coupled with everything I've said previously, leads me to believe they didn't think he was worth bringing over.

As I said--anything can happen. I thought Virta's odds were 50/50. However, I was in favor of signing him. You can give him his ELC, give him an EAC to boot, and then if it doesn't work either go the EAC route or move to mutually terminate the contract and let him go sign wherever. But, the Rangers didn't do that. And that's all the more reason why I'm not expecting to see him with the Rangers or an affiliate moving forward. But, we shall see, I suppose.
 
BTW, sorry for the novel. I just think the Virta situation comes with some interesting points of conversation. :)

It is really interesting. From the uncertainty surrounding his rights, to the Rangers forward depth exponentially improving... There is a lot to discuss here
 
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What is interesting to me is that it seemed that Virta was set on coming over and trying his hand in NA even just to get a spot in Hartford for his own development. It’s surprising that we wouldn’t give him the chance to do that. Granted he is legally still allowed to sign with us, just as a UFA.
 
Also, re: the 50 contracts. I'm looking at what we have and making some projections.

-Brickley is gone
-Claesson is retained
-DeAngelo retained
-Pionk retained
-Lemieux retained
-Buchnevich retained
-Lettieri retained
-Bergman is retained
-O'Gara is gone
-Bigras is retained
-Gilmour is gone
-Nell is gone
-Tokarski is gone
-Halverson is gone
-#2 pick signs ELC and counts

If I count correctly, that puts us at 46 contracts. And this does not include any potential buyouts, trades where we move out more guys than we bring back, etc. It also makes assumptions that I'm not sure of--I think they'll qualify Bergman to retain his rights, but they may not; I think they keep Bigras, but who knows; I think they keep Claesson. If one or two or all of those go the other way you have more room. I also think if they qualify Bergman and he does go back to Sweden, he goes on the reserve list and his contract counts against the 90 but not the 50.
 
I'm almost certain he does not count against the 50, but I can't find the language in the CBA.
Going off of what CapFriendly says, he would still count since he is 21, so he doesn't meet all the requirements.
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No reason to apologize for the novel. There are some interesting points of conversation which is why I raised the possibility of an AHL contract even though his NHL rights expired. Let me respond to some of your points.

50 cap limit -- I agree we are around 46 contracts but with Reunanen we are at 47 and the 47 contracts only include 4 goalies. The Rangers always have had at least 5 goalies under contract so they will sign another goalie and so they are really at 48. Yes the Rangers may buy out or trade some players but they also may trade for some players or sign some free agents. The point is that there are not lots of extra contracts available and if you can sign a player for an AHL rather than NHL contract you give yourself more flexibility. While any team can sign up to 50 contracts, the Rangers have been around 48 over the past several seasons.

AHL to NHL contracts -- I think this happens more frequently then you say. Darren Raddysh signed an AHL contract with Chicago's farm team and then signed with Chicago the following year. While the Rangers have not signed there AHL contracts I can think of two players with AHL contracts in Hartford, Scott Kosmachuck played with Hartford in 2017-2018 and then signed an NHL contract with Colorado and I believe the Islanders signed Justin Vaive for the 2015-2016 season who played for Hartford, who signed NHL contracts. And JAM and Blake Parlett are other examples. Around this time of year you always see a few teams signing AHL players in their system to NHL contracts.

Rangers interest in Virta -- We don't know what discussions the Rangers and Virta had. But it seems odd that he would be talking about the Rangers if the Rangers had not indicated some interest.

Young players in Hartford -- I agree you need some veterans to go with young players. But the Rangers have an ECHL affiliate where they can send some of the young players who need more time or are not as good. Hartford always need to call up ECHL players during the year. Just eyeballing Hartford's players this year it looks like 10-11 ECHL players were called up by Hartford during the year not counting Day, Ronning, Leedahl and Gropp who spent some time in the ECHL. Having enough good players to send a few to Maine is a positive and doesn't negate the need to have some veterans with Hartford.

We will have an answer to Virta when the Rangers announce its development camp list. If Virta is not on the list he will be finished with the Rangers.

I don't know if Virta will play for Hartford. I only point out that just because the Rangers did not sign him to an entry level contract does not mean he won't be signed to an AHL contract.





BTW, sorry for the novel. I just think the Virta situation comes with some interesting points of conversation. :)
 
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With the amount of draft picks Rangers have had / will have there are bound to be a few more players like Virta who show some promise but either will not get a contract at all, or are released after their first contract. Gotta hope the Rangers will be able to spot the talent and let no possible Martin St. Louis's slip through our fingers. I imagine this overabundance of prospects might be one more reason for Gorton to try moving up in the draft and focus on quality over quantity.
 
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Here is what we know.

Our friend, Amazing Kreiderman, wrote this article Rangers prospect, Patrik Virta coming over this summer? - FOREVER BLUESHIRTS, in which he quotes a Finnish article from March as saying that Virta would not be offered a contract extension with Örebro because he was coming to the US to join the Rangers organization. No other North American team could talk to Virta until June 1 so if he knew he was coming to North America in March it had to be to play for the Rangers organization.

In answer to nyr2k2 the Rangers as well as all other teams sign some prospects to minor league contracts. Nick Jones is a good recent example. The reason to sign players to minor league contracts is to preserve some contract spaces for the fifty man contract limit and to not tie up a contract long term such as the Rangers being stuck with Dawson Leedahl for three years when he can barely crack an AHL lineup. This is essentially a try out contract where the Rangers can cut ties if the player doesn't work out and sign the player to an NHL contract if he shows promise.

Finally, while it is true that Hartford will have lots of young players next year, isn't that a good problem to have? Three years ago we were complaining that there were few prospects in Hartford. The players will compete with those not making the grade starting in Maine and being eligible to being called up if they play well in Maine and as injuries mount. I'm not sure why having many good players is a problem.

I have no inside information that Virta will sign a Hartford contract but I don't think we can rule it out. Look for whether Virta is invited to the Rangers development camp in late June.

I think the info origns from this:
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Virta told Örebro that he won’t resign with them, plans to go to NY.
 
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