Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 9.1.19)

[True Blue]

Maybe so, but I'm hesitant to pencil Zib in for 85-90 points until he can show he's that. It's possible that he hits that landmark, but it's just as possible that he plateaued last season. Also, it's natural to think a player will take his game to another level playing with someone better than him, but things don't always work out that way.

You put ZBad on a team like Tampa and you are looking at a 90 point players. To accumulated points, most players need a suitable supporting cast. He had a decent one, but hardly on the same level as the "elite" level centers do.

I see the error of my ways though regarding Zegras... it's hardly a foregone conclusion that he turns into a bonafide 1st line center. He certainly has the talent to become that though and I don't think anyone here would have been disappointed if we moved up and snatched him even if the cost was prohibitive

A good amount of us wanted Zegras, but the problem was not that the cost was prohibitive. The problem was that there was no cost. That pick was not being moved. I am sure that Gorton could have overwhelmed with an offer. But would you give up Kravstov/Miller and a first to move up?

 

[kovazub94]

I think the context about Zibanejad getting to 85-90 points is wrong. These points level is not a prerequisite to be a 1C on a contender. Even if he just barely improves on his last season (or even stays flat) that 75-85 is more than enough for two-way (that he is) 1C on a contender, the context being that on wings the Rangers should have Panarin, Kakko and Kravtsov (and Buch). That will be more than good enough to round up with another two-way center that could produce 55-65. At this moment my money is on Chytil to be that center - I actually think that his upside is higher.

That is separate from the fact that Clark and Bobrov should be working on finding another blue chip center prospect to draft next summer or bring in via a trade.

 

[True Blue]

I think the context about Zibanejad getting to 85-90 points is wrong.

I agree with you . The only reason I used it, is that many people feel like that is the barometer of being either legit #1 or elite.

 

[Edge]

If Zibanejad can more or less stay where he's at, and we can add scoring in Panarin and company, I'll be happy with that. Not that I won't take an additional 10 points from Zibanejad; I just think the broader goal is to get more scoring around him rather than from him.

 

[Leetch3]

If Zibanejad can more or less stay where he's at, and we can add scoring in Panarin and company, I'll be happy with that. Not that I won't take an additional 10 points from Zibanejad; I just think the broader goal is to get more scoring around him rather than from him.

totally agreed...although if that happens, then that additional 10 points likely comes simply from being surrounded by better players than mika elevating his game.

 

[kovazub94]

totally agreed...although if that happens, then that additional 10 points likely comes simply from being surrounded by better players than mika elevating his game.

To me the term "around" that @Edge used implies not only better linemates but also more depth and spread out scoring , e.g. the earlier discussion about utilization of Panarin with or away from Zibanejad. The Rangers might benefit more from having a 1A and 1B line in which case the expected increase in production with better linemates could be offset with less minutes overall and specifically on PP1.

 

[Rongomania]

If Zibanejad can more or less stay where he's at, and we can add scoring in Panarin and company, I'll be happy with that. Not that I won't take an additional 10 points from Zibanejad; I just think the broader goal is to get more scoring around him rather than from him.

Man that's why I got so amped when the heads of the club and Ziba himself talked about his 'next level'. He's still young. I firmly believe these moves will create both more scoring from and around him. The next two years should be MONSTER seasons from Ziba.

 

[McRanger]

If Zibanejad can more or less stay where he's at, and we can add scoring in Panarin and company, I'll be happy with that. Not that I won't take an additional 10 points from Zibanejad; I just think the broader goal is to get more scoring around him rather than from him.

Assuming they play together those two things may be linked.

In other words it might be hard to get expected production from Panarin without getting increased production from Zibanejad.

 

[Edge]

I've said it for a few years, but Zibanejad is an incredibly talented player. In so many ways, even now, he's a bit under the radar.

Panarin is obviously an exciting player, the potential of guys like Kakko and Kravtsov is exciting. But Zibanejad is the linchpin right now.

 

[Irishguy42]

 

[nyr2k2]

Nice to see our guys getting international experience, even if it's a lesser tournament. After this concludes we should have eight guys representing teams at the U20 level.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nice to see our guys getting international experience, even if it's a lesser tournament. After this concludes we should have eight guys representing teams at the U20 level.

In previous years, the u20 4N has been a good benchmark of what the WJC team will look like, since not that many u20 Finnish players play in NA.

I expected Aaltonen to be there for the first tournament. He had a good outing for the u19s and missed the cut off only just for the WJSS. This is his chance to shine and secure his spot.

 

[Ola]

In previous years, the u20 4N has been a good benchmark of what the WJC team will look like, since not that many u20 Finnish players play in NA.

I expected Aaltonen to be there for the first tournament. He had a good outing for the u19s and missed the cut off only just for the WJSS. This is his chance to shine and secure his spot.

I could be mistaken, but I think Sweden's approach is to use the WJSS for the top guys, and let a few players rest for the first 4N and give everyone on the brink a shot in that one.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I could be mistaken, but I think Sweden's approach is to use the WJSS for the top guys, and let a few players rest for the first 4N and give everyone on the brink a shot in that one.

I was talking about Aaltonen and Finland

 

[nyr2k2]

It's not the highest of caliber tournaments. I don't know about years' past but it's not now. Sweden's roster is pretty poor, for instance. Maybe Finland takes it more serious, but it's still a roster missing a lot of their top guns. Looks like those two teams are using it for the guys on the fringes of the U20 roster.

It wasn't a criticism. I think it's good some of these guy are getting the exposure.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It's not the highest of caliber tournaments. I don't know about years' past but it's not now. Sweden's roster is pretty poor, for instance. Maybe Finland takes it more serious, but it's still a roster missing a lot of their top guns. Looks like those two teams are using it for the guys on the fringes of the U20 roster.

It wasn't a criticism. I think it's good some of these guy are getting the exposure.

It's a really fun tournament to attend. Especially the one in the Czech Republic is always at really small arenas, so it's easy to meet players. I saw Kakko, Kravtsov, Lundkvist, Denisenko, Dorofeyev, Kupari, Ylonen, Bemström, Podkolzin, Höglander.

 

[Joey Bones]

Hockey is on the horizon!!

 

[nyr2k2]

There's an event coming up called the U20 Super Challenge. It has teams from Austria, Hungary, France, and Norway, but also club teams including Leksands. Since he's still 19 for another month, I would think Sjalin may be eligible. Whether or not he'd be called upon I don't know, as I know nothing about the tournament.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

There's an event coming up called the U20 Super Challenge. It has teams from Austria, Hungary, France, and Norway, but also club teams including Leksands. Since he's still 19 for another month, I would think Sjalin may be eligible. Whether or not he'd be called upon I don't know, as I know nothing about the tournament.

The tournament starts on the 22nd, and the men's team of Leksand plays the same day against Frölunda. I doubt Själin will be playing on the u20 team, having played pro hockey for 3 years already. Last season he was on the HA team full-time.

 

[Kovalev27]

By the way if you don’t move one of those guys? Lias Andersson most likely goes back to Hartford which would upset a lot of people around here if he can’t get ice time because we didn’t move a namestnikov

 

[BKGooner]

Ugh summer hockey doldrums... Is it 9/6 yet? How beast of a team do people think we will send to Traverse City this year?

 

[UnSandvich]

By the way if you don’t move one of those guys? Lias Andersson most likely goes back to Hartford which would upset a lot of people around here if he can’t get ice time because we didn’t move a namestnikov

Why is that?

Panarin-Zibby-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Buch
Strome/Kravtsov-Andersson-Strome/Kravtsov
Vladdy-Howden-Fast
Boo

or

K-Z-B
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Strome/Kravtsov-Andersson-Strome/Kravtsov
Vladdy-Howden-Fast
Boo

 

[nyr2k2]

Why is that?

Panarin-Zibby-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Buch
Strome/Kravtsov-Andersson-Strome/Kravtsov
Vladdy-Howden-Fast
Boo

or

K-Z-B
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Strome/Kravtsov-Andersson-Strome/Kravtsov
Vladdy-Howden-Fast
Boo

What becomes of Lemieux?

 

[nyr2k2]

The tournament starts on the 22nd, and the men's team of Leksand plays the same day against Frölunda. I doubt Själin will be playing on the u20 team, having played pro hockey for 3 years already. Last season he was on the HA team full-time.

Well like I said, I don't know anything about this tournament, whether or not it's something the teams care about. If it is, you could send him as a ringer, since he'd likely be better than most of the other players. He'd only be missing preseason games. But again, I know nothing about it. You're probably right in that he wouldn't play.

 

[UnSandvich]

What becomes of Lemieux?

Thank you. I knew I was forgetting someone, just couldn't remember who. In that case, I'd run the following:

Panarin-Zibby-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Buch
Strome/Kravtsov-Andersson-Strome/Kravtsov
Lemieux-Vladdy-Fast
Howden

Strome/Kravtsov is because I can't remember if Kravtsov was better on his off-wing or not