Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 1.27.20)

[nyr2k2]

I haven't looked into it really. I do know he still has issues off the ice. Driving without a license again a few months ago. Not sure if that has led to him leaving, but it wouldn't surprise me

How is he not in jail? How has the league not suspended him? That seems crazy.

 

[nyr2k2]

Edstrom also had an assist.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Edstrom also had an assist.

Good week for him

 

[Aahlstroem]

I haven't looked into it really. I do know he still has issues off the ice. Driving without a license again a few months ago. Not sure if that has led to him leaving, but it wouldn't surprise me

He had already signed with Örebro for next season, when media got info about it and started writing articles Luleå decided to sell him to Örebro/Kovacs wanted out early. He's getting more money in Örebro and will be closer to Stockholm. Reportedly him and the head coach had issues with each other as well.

The funniest thing in all of this is when he said that he was put in a hard position since media started writing about it. It has happened to loads of players before him and will happen to loads of players after him. They didn't bolt as soon as they could.


In other news Karl Henriksson played 08:40 as a LW in a line with Joel Lundqvist and Max Friberg. I'm really impressed by how clever this kid is, always making the right decision. He was robbed of his first SHL goal by the refs who took a weak penalty on a teammate of his instead.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

How is he not in jail? How has the league not suspended him? That seems crazy.

I’m not sure what the laws are there but simply driving without a license is no worse than a stop sign ticket in the US.

 

[17futurecap]

I’m not sure what the laws are there but simply driving without a license is no worse than a stop sign ticket in the US.

He killed a dude driving a few years ago, and think he was found guilty of reckless driving.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I’m not sure what the laws are there but simply driving without a license is no worse than a stop sign ticket in the US.

Let me rephrase: Driving with a suspended license

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Let me rephrase: Driving with a suspended license

Meh, still basically nothing in New York. A release on scene arrest and a court date to show up to at a later date to pay a few hundred dollar fine.

Again though not sure what the punishments are in Sweden for doing that.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Meh, still basically nothing in New York. A release on scene arrest and a court date to show up to at a later date to pay a few hundred dollar fine.

Again though not sure what the punishments are in Sweden for doing that.

Not that well versed into Swedish law, but in the Netherlands it's considered a felony and you'll be arrested on the spot

 

[nyr2k2]

It's just surprising that after the reckless driving thing (which, honestly, do we think that was his first offense?) that he has been able to rack up multiple driving on a suspended license charges without even facing some minimal jail time. I know in my jurisdiction you won't go to jail the first or second time for just that, but coupled with the reckless charge where the friend died, most people would at least spend the weekend in jail. But I don't know the law over there.

I guess more surprising to me is that the league or his team(s) haven't done anything to him. I don't know how common it is to be suspended for off-ice transgressions, but the kid is engaging in dangerous stuff. He could easily end up directly killing someone or himself.

Again, I don't know all the circumstances of the law and practices in Sweden and the SHL. Just seems kind of crazy to me. I hope he addresses his behavior before it ends up worse (and I say this after he was racing a friend and the friend crashed and died. Doesn't get a lot worse.).

 

[egelband]

Meh, still basically nothing in New York. A release on scene arrest and a court date to show up to at a later date to pay a few hundred dollar fine.

Again though not sure what the punishments are in Sweden for doing that.

There has got to be more of a punishment for a guy who has had his license taken away due to driving-related conviction.
Were it simply, the guy never got a license and got caught, sure, he just gets a fine or something. But in the case of a guy who has had his license revoked for driving related offenses, particularly if there was a fatality, there would have to be a real penalty.

 

[nyr2k2]

There has got to be more of a punishment for a guy who has had his license taken away due to driving-related conviction.
Were it simply, the guy never got a license and got caught, sure, he just gets a fine or something. But in the case of a guy who has had his license revoked for driving related offenses, particularly if there was a fatality, there would have to be a real penalty.

In the US, I would just chalk it up to him being an athlete/celebrity/wealthy. He's gonna skate because of his resources. I thought that was less of a thing in Europe but maybe not.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It's just surprising that after the reckless driving thing (which, honestly, do we think that was his first offense?) that he has been able to rack up multiple driving on a suspended license charges without even facing some minimal jail time. I know in my jurisdiction you won't go to jail the first or second time for just that, but coupled with the reckless charge where the friend died, most people would at least spend the weekend in jail. But I don't know the law over there.

I guess more surprising to me is that the league or his team(s) haven't done anything to him. I don't know how common it is to be suspended for off-ice transgressions, but the kid is engaging in dangerous stuff. He could easily end up directly killing someone or himself.

Again, I don't know all the circumstances of the law and practices in Sweden and the SHL. Just seems kind of crazy to me. I hope he addresses his behavior before it ends up worse (and I say this after he was racing a friend and the friend crashed and died. Doesn't get a lot worse.).

I would like to respond to this. In Europe, leagues don't really act the same way they do in North America. Teams sometimes suspend players, but in most cases, what happens off-ice/off field/outside sports doesn't impact players. If they go to jail for something, their contract can be terminated but there's a different approach here where they leave it to the police/government unlike North America where there's pressure to be a rolemodel and for organizations to "do the right thing" and set an example.

I will not go into whether it's the right or wrong approach, it's just different. Sports also isn't linked to schools in Europe. If you want to play sports, you sign up with a club, pay your membership fees, buy your outfits and your parents drive you around, basically like an after school activity. There are no scholarships, there's no draft, there's no social aspect to playing sports. It's pure entertainment and as such, there isn't a obligation to act as a governing body when players do something wrong in their personal lives.

The Voynov incident in LA would not lead to a league-sanctioned suspension in most of Europe. In 1996, there was a footballer in the Netherlands who hit a woman while driving, that woman passed away and he was sentenced by the court. The club and league didn't act upon it, and once he finished his sentence, he was back on the team.

 

[nyr2k2]

I would like to respond to this. In Europe, leagues don't really act the same way they do in North America. Teams sometimes suspend players, but in most cases, what happens off-ice/off field/outside sports doesn't impact players. If they go to jail for something, their contract can be terminated but there's a different approach here where they leave it to the police/government unlike North America where there's pressure to be a rolemodel and for organizations to "do the right thing" and set an example.

I will not go into whether it's the right or wrong approach, it's just different. Sports also isn't linked to schools in Europe. If you want to play sports, you sign up with a club, pay your membership fees, buy your outfits and your parents drive you around, basically like an after school activity. There are no scholarships, there's no draft, there's no social aspect to playing sports. It's pure entertainment and as such, there isn't a obligation to act as a governing body when players do something wrong in their personal lives.

The Voynov incident in LA would not lead to a league-sanctioned suspension in most of Europe. In 1996, there was a footballer in the Netherlands who hit a woman while driving, that woman passed away and he was sentenced by the court. The club and league didn't act upon it, and once he finished his sentence, he was back on the team.

I suspected that was the case, thanks. And without getting too into it, I think that's a reasonable approach. However more serious offenses, I think leagues should take action (Voynov and the like). Drunken bar fight? Let the legal system handle it. Assault and battery? Time to intervene.

Although here I think it's become less of a role model issue, and more of a "we don't want to be associated with or accused of condoning that type of behavior" from the teams. It's a marketing, branding, and financial thing for the teams more than a moral thing, in many cases.

Anyway, without continuing to veer off topic, hopefully something changes with Kovacs.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I suspected that was the case, thanks. And without getting too into it, I think that's a reasonable approach. However more serious offenses, I think leagues should take action (Voynov and the like).

Although here I think it's become less of a role model issue, and more of a "we don't want to be associated with or accused of condoning that type of behavior" from the teams. It's a marketing a financial thing for the teams more than a moral thing, in many cases.

Anyway, without continuing to veer off topic, hopefully something changes with Kovacs.

To be fair, Heatley did the same thing(RIP Snyder) and I don’t remember the NHL taking any action against him. I could be wrong but nothing is popping in my head.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I suspected that was the case, thanks. And without getting too into it, I think that's a reasonable approach. However more serious offenses, I think leagues should take action (Voynov and the like). Drunken bar fight? Let the legal system handle it. Assault and battery? Time to intervene.

Although here I think it's become less of a role model issue, and more of a "we don't want to be associated with or accused of condoning that type of behavior" from the teams. It's a marketing, branding, and financial thing for the teams more than a moral thing, in many cases.

Anyway, without continuing to veer off topic, hopefully something changes with Kovacs.

The legal system handles everything. If someone is convicted, and they can no longer attend practice or play games, they are in breach of their contract and the contract can be terminated. But you wouldn't see a lot of suspensions handed out by teams/leagues for something that happened in their personal life.

Kovacs is a tragic case of "all the talent in the world, not the brains to put it together". He was ranked 10th among EU skaters in his draft year so the talent was definitely noticed. But if you're not "playing by the rules" you're not going to reach the top.

 

[nyr2k2]

To be fair, Heatley did the same thing(RIP Snyder) and I don’t remember the NHL taking any action against him. I could be wrong but nothing is popping in my head.

This is true, although this also happened over 15 years ago. I think a lot has changed when it comes to holding players accountable. Back then there were no Twitter mobs, no real social media, not 25 blogs that would be calling for his expulsion from the league, etc. I'm fairly certain it would be handled differently if it occurred today.

EDIT: Josh Brent, the Cowboys player, is a more recent example. He was suspended 10 games and had to undergo a ton of shit before being reinstated. And as pro sports leagues like to continue to issue harsher punishments for similar offenses, I would think if someone else did what Brent did, the punishment would be more severe. I assume the NHL would handle it similarly this time.

 

[nyr2k2]

The legal system handles everything. If someone is convicted, and they can no longer attend practice or play games, they are in breach of their contract and the contract can be terminated. But you wouldn't see a lot of suspensions handed out by teams/leagues for something that happened in their personal life.

Kovacs is a tragic case of "all the talent in the world, not the brains to put it together". He was ranked 10th among EU skaters in his draft year so the talent was definitely noticed. But if you're not "playing by the rules" you're not going to reach the top.

Yeah, American culture is interesting I that if you are rich and famous, a lot of people seem to be of the belief that your private life is no longer private. Or, if you do something scandalous in your private life and it becomes public, it's fair game to be treated as a public matter.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This is true, although this also happened over 15 years ago. I think a lot has changed when it comes to holding players accountable. Back then there were no Twitter mobs, no real social media, not 25 blogs that would be calling for his expulsion from the league, etc. I'm fairly certain it would be handled differently of it occurred today.

Craig MacTavish missed an entire season in the mid-80s because he was involved in a drunk driving accident resulting in the death of a woman, I think.
Bobby Hull was abusing several wives/girlfriends and nothing happened in the 60s/70s.

Times have definitely changed, and when you see how the NFL handles these situations (Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson) I can understand why people expect Kovacs to be held accountable by the SHL, but that's just not how it works (I am struggling to find the words today for some reason. Speaking German and Afrikaans all morning is messing with my English haha)

 

[egelband]

In the US, leagues are in-and-of-themselves corporations. Is it the same in Europe? I think that’s part of it, as far as the ‘image’ part goes. Players are seen to represent a league-as-business-entity. Maybe that’s a difference. I dunno, just a guess.

 

[Leetch3]

Wisconsin vs Notre Dame is on SNY tonight

 

[nyr2k2]

Lindbum getting lit up.

Henriksson not playing for Frolunda's J20 team, so no idea where he's at now.

EDIT: I see Henriksson played for Frolunda in the SHL yesterday. He has played in the SHL, Allsvenskan, and J20 this year, plus the Champions League, WJC, and other international comps.

 

[nyr2k2]

Pajuniemi was scoreless.

Old friend Korpedo had a hatty, and has been red-hot. Not coincidentally, I would say, TPS is climbing out of the basement since the New Year (and Korpikoski has 7+5=12 in 10 games).

 

[Thirty One]

Old friend Korpedo had a hatty, and has been red-hot. Not coincidentally, I would say, TPS is climbing out of the basement since the New Year (and Korpikoski has 7+5=12 in 10 games).

Sign him.

 

[Avery16]