Rangers Prospect List (Winter 2022) - #4
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EdJovanovski
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EdJovanovski
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Threw up a stink & caused problems in his home country to get demoted to the VHL? Source?
That is complete BS. He got sent down as he wasn't playing great and they had a KHL break, he wasn't throwing up a stink and causing problems like you're alluding to
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EdJovanovski
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People are openly admitting the reason they're not voting for Krav lol, no unbiased person would have him outside of the top 4. Watch Berard beat him next poll too now lmfao
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Yup, they are openly admitting that it's Kravtsov character flaws or intangibles - whatever you want to call it (that in their opinion will prevent him from becoming as good of NHLers as the one voted in before him)
EdJovanovski
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Kravtsov beat Otthman by 11% in the OG poll for #3
Jones beat Kravtsov by 3% in the OG poll for #3, but then somehow in the tiebreaker wins by 26.2%
Now Othmann is beating Kravtsov by 3.2% for #4 lmao
It shows that even people who were not voting for those players are now voting for them over Kravtsov. This list is already illegitimate so you might as well let them take their anger out and vote for Berard over him for #5 lol. Lets see how far he'll fall
EdJovanovski
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Being shafted in favor of objectively inferior players by a power crazed maniac isn't a character flaw, there are a lot of prospects & young players having issues with the org. Why does Traktor have no issues with him? The common denominator is Drury
Kravtsov didn't just bail on the team, he was also very mediocre in the AHL when he went there, and hasn't done anything--preseason, NHL, or KHL--since, that's justified him as a better prospect than Othmann at this point imo.
On the one hand, Kravtsov might be taking a hit for his personal decisions, but on the other, I think him being #1 on Dreger's list is a loooong time ago at this point.
On the one hand, Kravtsov might be taking a hit for his personal decisions, but on the other, I think him being #1 on Dreger's list is a loooong time ago at this point.
That probably means there's a significant overlap between people who think Othmann is our #3 prospect and Jones is our #4, and people who think Jones is our #3 prospect and Othmann is our #4. You can't vote for both in the number three poll....
If you think the list is illegitimate, then literally just shut up and stop posting in it. Christ.
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What revisionist history are you living in man lmao
I should go and post every GDT from Kravtsov's 20 game stint where everyone was saying he was our best player nearly every game he played in. Kravtsov has broke KHL records, is a KHL All-Star & Rookie of the Year, led an entire KHL team in goals for a season and is now producing at a similar rate to the likes of Kuznetsov, Buch, etc. He looked excellent in the NHL, was by all accounts best player in camp the year (worst player in the NHL) Kakko made it because of draft pedigree. What has Othmann achieved that compares? Kravtsov dominated the WJC playing with the flu & a shoulder injury, at CENTER; which put him on the map and got him ranked the #1 NHL affiliated prospect on the planet by TSN. What did Othmann do? Oh yea he didn't even make the team! LOL
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I agree. There are a dozen + people voting based on their bias toward him who act as if he personally hurt them, but there is really nothing we can do about that as people can vote how they feel. He'll get the #5 spot but we know he should really be somewhere around #3.
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I don't mean that these lists are illegitimate in general and I appreciate the effort OP puts into them, since I appreciate the effort OP puts into them I should voice my displeasure if I think people aren't taking the poll seriously and voting based on their feelings rather than objective measures of a player. None of us know what went on behind the scenes and Kravtsov very well could end up playing for the Rangers (that is what both sides have publicly said last we've heard, and Edge said that despite if he were betting he'd put the odds on him not playing for the Rangers, both sides are definitely not opposed to making up). There are even posts that "because he won't be with the Rangers I'll vote someone else" there are many people who do think Kravtsov will be a great player and that his "character issues" won't prevent that but just the fact that he'll be great for someone else makes them vote against him
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Get it into your head - this is not a skills talent vote. It takes more to make it to build a career in the NHL that is successful or commensurable to the talent. Determination, perseverance, intensity are just as part of this equation to the NHL success. Kravtsov already showed twice that he’s likely to bail when going gets tough. Where I stand - once was “discountable” especially given how quickly he got his train back on track (in Hartford). Second time created a pattern which I can no longer discount.
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I was going to dismiss this comment because I assumed VK was running away with it. But I’m pretty shocked to see Othmann in the lead. He seems good but I think VK is clearly deserving of the 4 spot. And I voted for the three defensemen at 1-3.
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This is true too. But just in terms of talent I think its appropriate to consider VK a better prospect right now than Othmann. Of course I can appreciate talent isn’t the only factor. I just think Kravtsov has proven a lot more and has the higher upside. He may not make it as a ranger but I reckon he’ll be at least a decent top six player somewhere.
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Just take Kravtsov off. He isn’t getting voted fairly, so there’s no point. Remove him and put an asterisk.
*Other people feel strongly about a guy I feel strongly about and my guy lost so everything is invalid
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This is a best prospect poll is it not? Just checking.
The comments speak for themselves, the voting has nothing to do with on ice performance. People Don’t have to agree, but let it be based on facts not on a vendetta against the player. That’s what happening, which is why there should be no reason to keep him on the poll.
You and Kravtsov and the phrase revisionist history is too much to take seriously together. People can disagree. Othmann has done enough to warrant people voting him #3 over Zac Jones who has done more at the AHL and NHL level to be impressed with than Kravtsov. Why wouldn't it be fair for people to also think he's a better prospect than Kravtsov for the same reasoning.
Kravtsov did accomplish some impressive things leading up to the draft and then immediately following. His trajectory since signing his ELC has been unsteady at best, and it's not unfair to say his stock has fallen grossly since--not strictly or even primarily for his attitude issues (where was he last ranked by TSN??).
And yeah, idc what posters at large react to in small samples or evaluate players in relation to hype. Reality is that Kravtsov sucked in the AHL and was mediocre in the NHL. He hardly blew the doors off the league.
