Confirmed with Link: Rangers name Alain Vigneault head coach - Part II
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Apparently Rosen asked him a mindless MSG-mandated question and Tortorella reacted like Tortorella does in such situations.
Then he may or may not have gone to his house and kicked his dog.
After a regular season game Sam asked him a pretty "meh" question. Torts didn't like the question and snapped at Sam a bit. Torts apologized to Sam after the fact for his behavior. It got blown up out of proportion and got way more attention on here than it deserved.
Tawnos
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I'm not talking about how we reacted to it. When our ghost of a GM has to come out of hiding to scold his coach over it, it's not being blown out of proportion by us.
Besides, all I'm saying is that it made Sather likelier to listen to complaints about Tortorella. Not that it got him fired.
silverfish
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No, it got exactly the amount of attention it deserved. Everyone knows that the questions Sam asks are the mindless bull**** that's fed to him from MSG. First off, Sam shouldn't be doing post-game interviews in the first place. It's bad enough they have him doing the pre-game coach interview, get someone else on there and keep Sam in the booth.
You don't snap at someone like that when it's not even their own question. If Sam wrote his own questions, and provided his own journalism, then sure, snap away like you do with the rest of the media because you're a pompous *****. But he lit up Sam on a drone question via MSG. I like that your frustrated with the performance, with your team, losing sucks. There are better ways to handle that, especially when you're just taking a shot at your own organization, which Torts did by abusing Sam.
Nobody ****s with Sam Rosen.
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Snapping at Sam is akin to snapping at Santa Clause. Cant imagine a nicer guy to conduct an interview.
He probably mentioned the Rangers Powerplay
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
The man is iconic.
About the bolded. What's funny about that is that the question implicitly criticizes the coach. "Were the Sabres the hungrier team tonight?" wonders whether or not the coach did a good enough job preparing his team for the game. You can understand why Tortorella might react that way, given his general interactions with the media, but you have to be aware who you're responding to.
94now
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Mark my words, Torts will not coach in NHL. EVER. Not because I want it so, but because coaches like him are available, he is nothing special. Except for his media handling. That is known well. Look, all disciplinarians are dictators, all dictators are secretive. All secretive folks do not like media because they afraid that their authority is being undermined by those headless writers. That is always like that everywhere, hockey or not. NHL needs disciplinarians; those coaches are able to bring about change. FAST. NHL, however, do not need an embarrassment that Torts brought up last year. He will never be forgiven for it. Thus, he will follow Sean Avery footsteps in being NHL's Pariah.
Hire Sather
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Hes about to get a 2nd interview in Vancouver just weeks after being unfairly sacked here. I think he'll be fine.
94now
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Stivens gets 2nd as well. If you look at VAN, Stivens is a better fit. Stivens also has a SC ring ( as AC). Even if both were equal, Torts wouldn't have a chance. He wont.
I think all of this talk about how AV handled players in Vancouver is premature. I don't think the Rangers would have hired him if he told them he was going to take the same strategy with Kreider than Tortorella did. There was a clear divide between management and the coaching staff on what to do with Kreider, and I don't think that was left off the table while negotiating with AV.
I don't know about that. Tortorella is part of a very select group of coaches who have won the Stanley Cup. People will try to rationalize that, but it's the truth.
Unpredictable1
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Has AV had any proven success with revitalizing slumping players (Richards in this case...if he's still around)? I don't know much about Vancouver besides the obvious. Take this question with a grain of salt as a coach can only do so much.
Torts will coach again because the same coaches get hired over and over again. And yes, Torts has a Cup on his resume and he helped bring the Rangers back to contention, getting as far as the EC Finals. That's enough to keep him relevant but he won't be able to sit on those laurels too long. If he takes too much time off, then he'll be off the coaching merry-go-round and once you get off it, it's not that easy to climb back on.
LORDE
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Not to mention a Jack Adams finalist just 1 yr ago.
Just because his time here was done, doesn't mean hes a bad coach.
94now
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Avery was one of the best entertainers on ice. What killed his carrer was his off ice stuff. Obviously, the case has been made ( by Torts, but it didn't matter by whom) he was useless as a player. Similarly no one would ever admit that Torts coaching career was over because his escapades during last year playoffs. He will get some looks, will get interviews, but wont get a job.
Sometimes it's easy to forget that hockey, as well as all sports, is an entertainment business, totally dependent upon customer support for its very existence. The media is the conduit between the product and the public.
It is essential that all in the business who deal with the public does it with respect no matter what the situation and how angry or upset they are. If you don't act in such a way you are, in essence, shooting yourself in the foot and helping to undermine the very industry that employs you.
I've always thought that much of what Torts did with the media was an act, part of the mind-game manipulation he was playing with his team. But still, an particularly in New York, there was no excuse for how Torts acted with the media. None. Zero.
That goes whether there was a dislike by a particular writer towards the coach or whether it was with an iconic (great choice of word) figure like Sam Rosen.
The bigger picture, and one I've been thinking about quite a bit since Torts was fired is this: Torts always demanded accountability from his players. Where was Tort's accountability? And, worse, who was holding him accountable? Doesn't sound like it was Sather with his rare appearances in New York. One of the assistant GMs? Torts was like a man running amok with nobody holding him to task. I don't blame him totally: given power without responsibility and oversight, he misused it: a common refrain in human history.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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I hate Torts, but I would be willing to bet a large sum on money that you're dead wrong.
That statement is shades of "Chad Johnson will replace Lundqvist."
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http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=722907
Just realized who started the thread LOL
94now
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As a moderator you should not repeat something that I ahve never stated. Leave it to lazy folks who do not search the past threads, and repeat someone else.
If you look at my tenure in this place I was by far more right than wrong.
I do not see any similarity with my Lundqvist statement other than username of the poster. Neither , I am sure, do you, but you seem willing to play along with some.
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