Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Lightnings

[Larrybiv]

I’d let Mika Zibanejad f*** my wife.

Probably because you wanna watch his flowing hair. Are you a chrome dome? Lol

 

[Larrybiv]

Happy New Year everybody! And I credit this Happy New Year to the special play of K'Andre Miller tonight. He was moving the puck well, skating, winning battles, and actually threw a hit in this game! He musta been feeling it.

You know, having that reach is a god-given gift and obviously he's been taught to use it accordingly. But I really wish he would use his body a little bit more. He can be effective with that as well, and I believe a happy medium of the both will produce a much better k'Andre.
And to the poster that said he would have made him a left wing...... I believe he was and they turned him into a defenseman. Probably out of necessity, and apparently he liked it.
Hell of Smith can be a left wing so could he!

 

[TominNC]

You know, having that reach is a god-given gift and obviously he's been taught to use it accordingly. But I really wish he would use his body a little bit more. He can be effective with that as well, and I believe a happy medium of the both will produce a much better k'Andre.
And to the poster that said he would have made him a left wing...... I believe he was and they turned him into a defenseman. Probably out of necessity, and apparently he liked it.
Hell of Smith can be a left wing so could he!

I agree. When K'Andre learns to take the body and use his reach as an option, then he will start to reach his potential. That along with picking his spots and attacking up ice will make him dangerous.

 

[mas0764]

Everyone knew that before the season and now so why is this such an issue to you?

Things aren’t issues cause we know them before the season? I’m not one of the people saying trade Lafreniere or anything ridiculous. I just want us to keep building. I don’t think we are complete yet.

 

[mas0764]

Complaining about the team incessantly, win, lose or draw, is text book trolling.

Trolling is saying untrue things with the design of deliberately annoying others.

If your beliefs are sincere it is not trolling.

 

[mas0764]

Or you know, their current young forward talent develops into what they can be.

Not likely.

 

[TominNC]

Not likely.

Good thing you're not the GM. "Let's give up on 20-21 year olds!"

 

[mas0764]

Good thing you're not the GM. "Let's give up on 20-21 year olds!"

Not what I said at all, is it?

If anything, the opposite.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Nice try, but this 'win' doesn't count. It was against a bad backup goalie, in the shootout (basically a draw) while Tampa had multiple players out. Also it was New Year's Eve, so they really didn't feel like playing.

How about now petah

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Great win for them today. I wasn’t too thrilled about the lack of shots in the third but otherwise a good win.

 

[Mandar]

Great win for them today. I wasn’t too thrilled about the lack of shots in the third but otherwise a good win.

4 points in back to back games against the two time defending champions. isles fans like you must hate it.

 

[PetahFromBensonhoist]

How about now petah

I already told another poster that I made that comment in jest.

But since you asked, Tampa doesn't play well in the afternoon. Two points in reality but zero points in spirit.

 

[Baby Duck Homme]

Shut the f*** out cakes.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I already told another poster that I made that comment in jest.

But since you asked, Tampa doesn't play well in the afternoon. Two points in reality but zero points in spirit.

Probably the angle of the sun and the traffic in ny too

 

[Kords]

Such a good win, it gets 2 post game threads

 

[kovazub94]

I already told another poster that I made that comment in jest.

But since you asked, Tampa doesn't play well in the afternoon. Two points in reality but zero points in spirit.

So which one is it - in jest or in spirit?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

4 points in back to back games against the two time defending champions. isles fans like you must hate it.

Dude you lost every single bit of juice after you ran and hid after that Panthers game You’re never around after a loss.

 

[Mandar]

Dude you lost every single bit of juice after you ran and hid after that Panthers game You’re never around after a loss.

4 points in back to back games against the 2 time defending champions.

Devils fans like you must hate it.

 

[maris]

wow ranger blew it out of the water in FW this game. They killed it. Does Tampa stink on face offs? Or have the rangers turned the corner on this aspect of their game??

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

wow ranger blew it out of the water in FW this game. They killed it. Does Tampa stink on face offs? Or have the rangers turned the corner on this aspect of their game??

Underrated thing about being good on the dot:

late in the game with a 1 goal defecit, a team is much less likely to pull the goalie before an offensive zone draw if there’s a good chance they lose that draw.

the reputation of being good at faceoffs is just as important as actually being good at faceoffs

 

[2014nyr]

thats the biggest problem. I also doesn’t think he fits the scheme in what Gallant wants in his system. More of a prototypical 3rd and 4th lines.
I have no problem with our 4th line when they are whole. Hunt-Rooney-Reaves are all workers and each one of them does their job on the line and makes it tough on the opposition.
It’s a big reason why I think Barron will excel in that 3rd line role. He’s very good along the boards and down low. He’s also a load, and hard to move in front of the net.
Whether he’s at center and Goodrow is on the wing, or vice versa, you have the making of 2/3 of a solid 3rd line.
It might not be the optimal situation/line mates for LaF, but I still think he’d have more success with those 2 rather then chytil/Gauthier.
He might even shoot the puck more if he’s counted on as the offensive guy of the 3.
I’m betting those 2 cycling and working the puck down low maybe give LaF a little extra time to get a shot off even. LaF isn’t small, he’s not going to play a grinders game either, but while his skating is still a bit slow, that type of style would be more advantageous to him currently.
If Barron proves he isn’t ready, then you can make a trade for a short term stop gap ( Jarnkrok, Donskoi, Lehkonen type). And give Barron AHL time til next years camp.

As far as our last 2 games, I don’t think the panthers or the lightning blew the doors off us at any point. It was typical rangers, they play on par with their competition, whether its the coyotes, or panthers they play a close game no matter what. We should improve, if not for anything else our kids getting older/more mature, but I don’t think anyone thinks this will be the team going into the playoffs without some tweaks.
What we do about 2C long term/strome resigning etc is pushed back to an offseason problem atm.

the more close games we win is obviously better for us in the long run. There is definitely a confidence that comes from being on the winning side of 1 goal games when it goes down to the wire. No matter who the opponent is. Overall the team gets more comfortable in that situation. They just have to keep playing and never quit

i really thought barron would force his way onto the team...i hope you're right. it would be huge if we had an internal answer there...i've been really disappointed by what he's shown so far. he just doesn't play at nhl pace and i'm not so sure he's going to get there to where. to be clear when i say pace i don't mean speed - you dont need to be a burner but you need to be able to get to pucks - win competitive situations and short area races to them - and be comfortable holding pucks at this level. ie guys like derek stepan and anders lee are not great skaters and very different players....but both can win short races to pucks and close on guys moving to them to create a loose puck...both can calmly take a pass in the d zone aware of whats around them and make the right play to get a breakout going. barron to me has always looked slow and sluggish processing/rushed on the puck and unable to close on guys in small areas. to be fair, it can take some guys a few looks before they settle in and it can make them look like a completely different player, so i wouldn't write him off. what i will say is my belief in him has eroded significantly to the point if i'm the rangers i'm planning around him entirely...if he forces his way back into the fold thats ideal but wouldn't have him penciled in anywhere

 

[jay from jersey]

i really thought barron would force his way onto the team...i hope you're right. it would be huge if we had an internal answer there...i've been really disappointed by what he's shown so far. he just doesn't play at nhl pace and i'm not so sure he's going to get there to where. to be clear when i say pace i don't mean speed - you dont need to be a burner but you need to be able to get to pucks - win competitive situations and short area races to them - and be comfortable holding pucks at this level. ie guys like derek stepan and anders lee are not great skaters and very different players....but both can win short races to pucks and close on guys moving to them to create a loose puck...both can calmly take a pass in the d zone aware of whats around them and make the right play to get a breakout going. barron to me has always looked slow and sluggish processing/rushed on the puck and unable to close on guys in small areas. to be fair, it can take some guys a few looks before they settle in and it can make them look like a completely different player, so i wouldn't write him off. what i will say is my belief in him has eroded significantly to the point if i'm the rangers i'm planning around him entirely...if he forces his way back into the fold thats ideal but wouldn't have him penciled in anywhere

Could be. I’m not really concerned if he scores a PPG in Hartford or how he on the PP etc things of that nature.
More so what he’s going to do at the nhl level hopefully on 3rd line and Pk time.
Before his recent little funk, he’s always doing positive things that make him stand out as more good then not.
As far as 1 on 1 along the boards, that’s pretty much his bread and butter. He rarely loses those battles. He also doesn’t mind finishing his checks. He’s not a devastating hitter by any means, but that is a large kid laying into you against the boards.
I would like him to be a bit faster, and a bit better skater, but I can say that for 3-4 guys who are currently in the line up.
I don’t think it should be too much of a problem. He didn’t look bad in his cup of coffee games last season. Giving him a taste of NHL action is overdue imo. Once the nervous jitters are gone, then you see what you have to work with.
If they are worried about him centering the line, Goodrow could assume those duties full time and Barron could be shifted to the wing with a little less responsibility.( although I think they want him at center, that’s where they were grooming him over the last 2 seasons mostly).
It’s not like he’s a super young guy, he’s getting to the age where a lot of players make their professional debuts.
And if the brass is unsure of Barron or whether he can be a contributor next season, it would at least make sense for him to get some games this year and gauge where he’s at developmentally.
If they are still on the fence, they know they are going to have to find either a stop gap( until he’s ready) or a full time 3C because chytil isn’t the best choice for that role.
another thing I like about Barron is he’s smart. I think it would greatly benefit him practicing and playing with NHL players. He seems to be a quick learner. You don’t want to keep him stagnating in the A without seeing how his progress translates to the big leagues.
I think that was a big problem in Gauthiers development tbh. They left him down there for years. He was a very good AHL fwd/scorer. But he never fully had a spot on an NHL club. He was used largely as a fill in because scoring for him has been a problem at the nhl level.
It’s almost like he got too comfortable in the A, and when he was given his shot to impress at camp, he was blocked in Carolina and ultimately traded. The same thing occurred here. He never had the steady starters spot . Very hard for a kid to develop any consistency being yo-Yoed in and out of the line up.
That happens with a lot of players who are great in the A, but for whatever reason can’t put it fully together at the NHL level. And then there are guys that thrive and rise to the challenge and their game gets better and they belong.
I’d bet on Barron being in that second group.
Hopefully Cuylle, Othmann, Berard, Jones, Schneider, and Robertson all are too.
The main point is, with the progress Barron has made in Hartford over the last 2 season, even since NYR drafted him, he deserves at least a look. At least a stretch of games to let him try and prove he belongs. If for nothing else then to reward his hard work and for his confidence, even if they choose to sent him back down after that.

 

[egelband]

Good thing you're not the GM. "Let's give up on 20-21 year olds!"

Haha. Really. It’s actually really rare for a player to reach their potential or even be a consistent contributor at 20. This team is playing well with still a lot of players learning and on the ups upswing. It’s very encouraging, really.

 

[2014nyr]

Could be. I’m not really concerned if he scores a PPG in Hartford or how he on the PP etc things of that nature.
More so what he’s going to do at the nhl level hopefully on 3rd line and Pk time.
Before his recent little funk, he’s always doing positive things that make him stand out as more good then not.
As far as 1 on 1 along the boards, that’s pretty much his bread and butter. He rarely loses those battles. He also doesn’t mind finishing his checks. He’s not a devastating hitter by any means, but that is a large kid laying into you against the boards.
I would like him to be a bit faster, and a bit better skater, but I can say that for 3-4 guys who are currently in the line up.
I don’t think it should be too much of a problem. He didn’t look bad in his cup of coffee games last season. Giving him a taste of NHL action is overdue imo. Once the nervous jitters are gone, then you see what you have to work with.
If they are worried about him centering the line, Goodrow could assume those duties full time and Barron could be shifted to the wing with a little less responsibility.( although I think they want him at center, that’s where they were grooming him over the last 2 seasons mostly).
It’s not like he’s a super young guy, he’s getting to the age where a lot of players make their professional debuts.
And if the brass is unsure of Barron or whether he can be a contributor next season, it would at least make sense for him to get some games this year and gauge where he’s at developmentally.
If they are still on the fence, they know they are going to have to find either a stop gap( until he’s ready) or a full time 3C because chytil isn’t the best choice for that role.
another thing I like about Barron is he’s smart. I think it would greatly benefit him practicing and playing with NHL players. He seems to be a quick learner. You don’t want to keep him stagnating in the A without seeing how his progress translates to the big leagues.
I think that was a big problem in Gauthiers development tbh. They left him down there for years. He was a very good AHL fwd/scorer. But he never fully had a spot on an NHL club. He was used largely as a fill in because scoring for him has been a problem at the nhl level.
It’s almost like he got too comfortable in the A, and when he was given his shot to impress at camp, he was blocked in Carolina and ultimately traded. The same thing occurred here. He never had the steady starters spot . Very hard for a kid to develop any consistency being yo-Yoed in and out of the line up.
That happens with a lot of players who are great in the A, but for whatever reason can’t put it fully together at the NHL level. And then there are guys that thrive and rise to the challenge and their game gets better and they belong.
I’d bet on Barron being in that second group.
Hopefully Cuylle, Othmann, Berard, Jones, Schneider, and Robertson all are too.
The main point is, with the progress Barron has made in Hartford over the last 2 season, even since NYR drafted him, he deserves at least a look. At least a stretch of games to let him try and prove he belongs. If for nothing else then to reward his hard work and for his confidence, even if they choose to sent him back down after that.

i'm a huge fan of barrons game. i want him be the guy. i was super high on him coming in. i was super high on him coming back this year and forcing his way onto the roster. i agree with just about everything you said about what he brings as a player and his intelligence. all i'm saying is what i've seen at the nhl level has me questioning what we have in him. i'm not writing him off, hopefully he shuts me up sooner than later. but right now i havent seen what i'd want to, and like you pointed out he's still young, but in nhl terms old enough where you'd expect a fairly capable contributor if he's going to be one. everyone has their own path and def can take more time to break through, but it does become less and less likely at an accelerating pace around this point. like i said i want him to pan out, i think he can pan out, i just wouldnt feel confident and be planning around that as a certainty looking forward.

as for the development thoughts...i look at it a little differently - not to say i'm right, just a matter of opinion. i don't see a ton of risk of him stagnating or a gauthier having stagnated in the a. i think the bigger risk there would be juniors where guys can be so dominant they develop bad habits because they get away with them. if they were dominating the a id agree its best to put them in a place they're challenged - and with barron i agree i'm not terribly focused on his point totals but i would want to see him being a dominant presence on the ice holding pucks, turning pucks over, skating through contact and playing a physical defensive game etc, making smart passes, generating clean breakouts consistently and esp in key moments of games etc. i havent seen him in hartford so idno what it looks like. i do think there's something to be said for the mental toll it can take on guys if they spend too long in hfd where they lose hope/confidence they'll get a shot.

 

[will1066]

Such a good win, it gets 2 post game threads

Is what I thought too before realizing one of them was for the game in Tampa and that the mods didn't close it up and people began posting there after yesterday's game.