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McRanger92 said:
Who the hell is John Chabot and why do we care what he says about the Rangers?

Also Drury being compared to Chiarelli? What planet am I on? What move has Drury made to hurt the long term outlook of the team? I get people are frustrated with the end of last season but that sounds like just saying outlandish things to get a reaction.
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Everyone is overreacting to the Kane trade because "muh Dark Ages" even though we got Kane for almost nothing and he didn't make or break the team.

That's always how I viewed the move. Why not?

All of our biggest problems, no matter which one you want to argue for, were either Gorton's idea or existed even before Gorton.
 
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Machinehead said:
Everyone is overreacting to the Kane trade because "muh Dark Ages" even though we got Kane for almost nothing and he didn't make or break the team.

That's always how I viewed the move. Why not?

All of our biggest problems, no matter which one you want to argue for, were either Gorton's idea or existed even before Gorton.
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Biggest problem with the Kane trade was Gallant's deployment of Kane as if it was 2010 again.
 
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will1066 said:
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I had to put some of my chickens in the garage. f*** the Calgary Flames!
 
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We could have given up an entire draft class worth of picks for Tanner Jeannot... that would have guaranteed us a cup.


It doesn't matter what we did. This team wasn't winning one way or another. It just didn't work at 5v5 and it looked like they checked out
 
Machinehead said:
Everyone is overreacting to the Kane trade because "muh Dark Ages" even though we got Kane for almost nothing and he didn't make or break the team.

That's always how I viewed the move. Why not?

All of our biggest problems, no matter which one you want to argue for, were either Gorton's idea or existed even before Gorton.
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Uh, we got all those players during the dark ages for nothing...

the dark ages are referenced because those teams were constructed with no concept in mind how to build an actual team. it was just a collection of names.

as for our problems existing with Gorton and before-- there's validity to that. But Drury, for some reason, did a complete 180 this season. he came in talking about building an identity and then made a lot of moves that have cost us a bunch to bring more grit, role players etc and then this last year spent all year undoing those moves at loss, mostly draft picks. Then went out and brought in aging star power and made us as soft, if not softer, than pre-Tom Wilson incident. If he kept to an actual plan then the forfeiture of assets like 1st and 2nd round picks would feel far more defensible and reasonable. But he's pretty much become a GM that blows with the wind. He fires his coach and is ready to hire a replacement that is likely to be no better. He does and undoes. It feels very much so like he's spinning his wheels.

Look there's no doubt that the hardest part of a rebuild is trying to come out of it and build towards a championship. How you piece together a championship team after you've drafted a bunch of kids and developed a core is far harder than trading away very good veterans for draft capital and making no brainer draft pick selections. We went with an unproven rookie GM.

So, it's kinda ironic that in the midst of that, the rookie GM is like, nope let me fire this one veteran coach for another. Cause clearly we can't go with a rookie to get us to the next level. He's literally making the argument for why he should be fired sooner than later.

duhmetreE said:
We could have given up an entire draft class worth of picks for Tanner Jeannot... that would have guaranteed us a cup.


It doesn't matter what we did. This team wasn't winning one way or another. It just didn't work at 5v5 and it looked like they checked out
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i can't disagree with this.
 
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Kane trade may have been okay if he didn't need surgery on his hip. Game 2 Kane skated like the old Kane.
 
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n8 said:
It's not Chiarelli levels of bad but trading Buchnevich instead of signing him set us up for a lot of future failure.

Kreider-Zib-Buch was a dominant line that really clicked and since Buch was let go, we've been on a never-ending search to fill that spot. We paid for Vatrano. We paid for Tarasenko. We paid for Kane. all rentals. none were permanent solutions. another summer, same problem.

I would have signed Buch but not given him a NTC so we could control our cap destiny. Trading him would have been an option if we found we absolutely needed the cap for pending RFAs
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Gorton was also going to trade Buch. The wing depth and lack of center depth at the time made it inevitable.
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
Kane and Tarasenko weren't the problem. The makeup of the 4th line wasn't the problem. Team softness and the skills coach weren't the problem. Zib and Panarin and to a lesser extent Laff were dog shit. And that is why they got bounced in the first round.
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Not being able to get the puck out of their own end with possession s the problem.
 
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TopShelfSnipes said:
Biggest problem with the Kane trade was Gallant's deployment of Kane as if it was 2010 again.
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3rd leading scorer in the playoffs for the Rangers. The biggest problem is thinking Kane was even a problem at all. We can lay that at the feet of a host of Rangers and coaches.

Kane was the least of our issues.
 
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Cmox said:
haha, the Calgary flames part is a joke bc Canada. But I did have to put some hens in the garage for precautionary reasons.
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Held out for precautionary reasons. They're day to day.
 
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UnparalledPark said:
Except the GMs whose team have won the SC recently.
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Well, Kane said he would only go to one team so we'll never know.

Kane has won almost as many Cups as the Rangers have in their history, so he's got that on his side.

Machinehead said:
A GM whose team won recently traded their entire farm for Tanner Jeannot.
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I'm still completely puzzled by that one. I can only imagine the ire Drury would've drawn for a trade like that.
 
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haohmaru said:
3rd leading scorer in the playoffs for the Rangers. The biggest problem is thinking Kane was even a problem at all. We can lay that at the feet of a host of Rangers and coaches.

Kane was the least of our issues.
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Seriously, scapegoating Kane is one of the weirdest copes I've seen in a while. Like you shouldn't even have the energy to spend any time complaining about Kane when the myriad of problems were so apparent. "PP sucks, get Kane off there". PP was even worse without him. And then he was far and away the best skater in game 7, like it's not even close.
 
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haohmaru said:
3rd leading scorer in the playoffs for the Rangers. The biggest problem is thinking Kane was even a problem at all. We can lay that at the feet of a host of Rangers and coaches.

Kane was the least of our issues.
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Half those points were secondary helpers on the PP. Take Chris Kreider out of the equation, and those plays don't turn into goals.

Kane wasn't a problem, but the even strength ice time he was getting was. And the even strength forward lines in the playoffs were terrible.
All of that was on the coach, not on individual players. Kane did relatively wel all things considered, but he was force fed ice time during the regular season when he should've been resting his hip more, and the ice time generally down the stretch and into the playoffs didn't make a whole lot of sense. The only one I'm scapegoating for that is the coaching staff.

The biggest player I have an issue with in the playoffs is Zibanejad simply because the astounding number of great shots he passed up. The rest of the players weren't really put in a great position to succeed.

jerseyjinx94 said:
Made more sense to sign Buch and cut bait with Strome. Buch could have been moved a year or two later for cap reasons if necessary.
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I wanted the team to move on from Strome after 2020.

As for Buch, they spent more than his eventual cap hit with St. Louis on Goodrow and Nemeth. Absolute joke.
 
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