Speculation: Rangers Head Coach Search (Laviolette being finalized? According to Vince and Friedman)

[McRanger92]

The trade was bad because Drury targeted a player he valued more than anyone else and got 60 cents on the dollar.

Sorry, there is no excuse present day about that trade.

All GMs make bad trades. And you didnt answer my question. What would be different about this team with Buchnevich? We'd just be in further cap hell with a good not great player. The way fans pine over a guy whose career high in points as a Ranger is 48 is wild to me. Clear cut busts Lafreniere and Kakko had 40 each this year at ages 21 & 22 lol. Time to move on.

 

[SRHRangers]

All GMs make bad trades. And you didnt answer my question. What would be different about this team with Buchnevich? We'd just be in further cap hell with a good not great player. The way fans pine over a guy whose career high in points as a Ranger is 48 is wild to me. Clear cut busts Lafreniere and Kakko had 40 each this year at ages 21 & 22 lol. Time to move on.

I never said we should keep Buch.

When the trade happened, more than half of us on here went nuts, and the other half were saying that people were over-reacting.

Sound familiar to this situation?

 

[McRanger92]

I never said we should keep Buch.

When the trade happened, more than half of us on here went nuts, and the other half were saying that people were over-reacting.

Sound familiar to this situation?

Ok and youre claiming you were right about what? It was a bad trade, everyone who said it got to be right (here's a cookie) and it ultimately meant nothing in the grand scheme of things because we'd still be in this predicament with or without Buchnevich. It gets brought up far too much, his impact on the team has totally jumped the shark. It's not like he's carrying St. Louis to new heights

 

[SRHRangers]

Ok and youre claiming you were right about what? It was a bad trade, everyone who said it got to be right (here's a cookie) and it ultimately meant nothing in the grand scheme of things because we'd still be in this predicament with or without Buchnevich. It gets brought up far too much, his impact on the team has totally jumped the shark. It's not like he's carrying St. Louis to new heights

The point is, if people want to lose their heads over choices Drury is making, let them.

Right now, he's not hitting .300 in that position. He has done nothing to give fans confidence in him.

And take those cookies and you know where to put them.

 

[zlev]

Sounds like we're hiring the same coach again.

no it doesn't, it sounds profoundly worse

 

[McRanger92]

The point is, if people want to lose their heads over choices Drury is making, let them.

Right now, he's not hitting .300 in that position. He has done nothing to give fans confidence in him.

And take those cookies and you know where to put them.

Your point would be better taken if people here didnt flip out about every move they make. Laviolette hasnt even been hired yet!

 

[savebyrichter94]

The point is, if people want to lose their heads over choices Drury is making, let them.

Right now, he's not hitting .300 in that position. He has done nothing to give fans confidence in him.

And take those cookies and you know where to put them.

In his mouth?

 

[Daves a mess]

Dan Rosen on NHL Radio bringing up the Rangers may talk to John Hynes. Also speculating that the Rangers may of not been blown away by Laviolettes interview.

Discussed link between Heinz and Chris Drury in the past.

 

[The Gloaming]

Didn't the 2012 Flyers have like 9 rookies on their team or something like that? He integrated those guys into the team. I just remember their hilarious series against Shitsburgh....

I wanted Gallant last time and couldn't wait for him to be fired. Indifferent on Lavi so hopefully it'll work out this time.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Put stats aside. The team lacks both speed and grit. If glued to stats that will show up in 5 on 5 goals. We have big names but its obviously not been enough.

And how much of that lack of speed comes from the lack of a system?
Players move faster if they’re not waiting on things, can accelerate through the neutral zone faster.
I really think adding an actual system to our offense will increase the speed significantly.

The trade was bad because Drury targeted a player he valued more than anyone else and got 60 cents on the dollar.

Sorry, there is no excuse present day about that trade.

The trade was bad because we didn’t get the first. Had blais not gotten hurt he’d have been a solid player and the trade wouldn’t have looked so bad, but yes it was a bad move.

 

[McRanger92]

Dan Rosen on NHL Radio bringing up the Rangers may talk to John Hynes. Also speculating that the Rangers may of not been blown away by Laviolettes interview.

Discussed past link between Heinz and Chris Drury in the past.

Hynes would be enough for the last positive fan on HF to lose it. His resume has nothing that the Rangers are looking for other than him being Drury's pal. I dont think he is that stupid.

 

[surlysailor]

All GMs make bad trades. And you didnt answer my question. What would be different about this team with Buchnevich? We'd just be in further cap hell with a good not great player. The way fans pine over a guy whose career high in points as a Ranger is 48 is wild to me. Clear cut busts Lafreniere and Kakko had 40 each this year at ages 21 & 22 lol. Time to move on.

Actually we wouldn't be in cap hell. If we didn't trade Buch we would have a full top 6 KZB, Bread-Chytil-KK/Laf. NYR wouldn't have signed Nemeth or Goodrow (which at the time was equal to Buch salary). NYR could've let Strome walk still and made a different move for a center over Troch which could have been a shorter term guy or a trade that could have swapped between him and Chytil for a top 6 role. Also his points only kept going up, you're missing that those 48 points were during covid and he had that in 54 games. Then he followed that almost point per game season with 76 pts in 73 & 67pts in 63. This is also another signal that nyr should not be rushed to trade Laf or KK.

 

[Daves a mess]

Hynes would be enough for the last positive fan on HF to lose it. His resume has nothing that the Rangers are looking for other than him being Drury's pal. I dont think he is that stupid.

Dan thinks that Hynes can do better with a better line up. He's a defensively oriented, systems coach and his best attribute for the Rangers is that he is NOT a players coach. Paraphrasing Dan's words here.

 

[McRanger92]

Actually we wouldn't be in cap hell. If we didn't trade Buch we would have a full top 6 KZB, Bread-Chytil-KK/Laf. NYR wouldn't have signed Nemeth or Goodrow (which at the time was equal to Buch salary). NYR could've let Strome walk still and made a different move for a center over Troch which could have been a shorter term guy or a trade that could have swapped between him and Chytil for a top 6 role. Also his points only kept going up, you're missing that those 48 points were during covid and he had that in 54 games. Then he followed that almost point per game season with 76 pts in 73 & 67pts in 63. This is also another signal that nyr should not be rushed to trade Laf or KK.

Buchnevich wouldve just been another factor blocking Kakko, Lafreniere and Kravtsov(lol) and thats what people wouldve been complaining about the last 2 years, we all know it. I agree that we should not even consider trading the kids at this point though.

 

[MrAlmost]

Hynes' only claim to fame is a first round exit with the Devils after they hadn't been in the playoffs in a while and 2 first round exits with the Preds. He always seemed like a guy that was getting woefully little out of a very capable Predators roster.

Would actually rather have Lavi.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Dan thinks that Hynes can do better with a better line up. He's a defensively oriented, systems coach and his best attribute for the Rangers is that he is NOT a players coach. Paraphrasing Dan's words here.

His best attribute is that he’s not nice.
That’s an absolute terrible reason to hire someone.
You hire a coach who’s gonna get the most out of the best players on the team.
You hire a coach who’s got a system to hide weaknesses.
You don’t hire a coach who hasn’t been able to do either of those two things.
Do the rangers need a disciplinary coach? No one knows yet.
But to bring in a coach with a shit record, and a weak system, who’s only strong case is that he yells?
Might as well go to babcock then. At least he has an offensive system.

 

[McRanger92]

Dan thinks that Hynes can do better with a better line up. He's a defensively oriented, systems coach and his best attribute for the Rangers is that he is NOT a players coach. Paraphrasing Dan's words here.

The only positive I would take from a Hynes hire would be that at least we'd know Drury and the coach had a unified message to the players. I guess I need to look into him more because Friedman seemed to think Laviolette to NYR is losing steam. Glad we had 18 pages to discuss it based off an unconfirmed twitter rumor lol.

 

[OthmannOut]

Dan Rosen on NHL Radio bringing up the Rangers may talk to John Hynes. Also speculating that the Rangers may of not been blown away by Laviolettes interview.

Discussed past link between Heinz and Chris Drury in the past.

I'm usually pretty positive but I am insanely doomer right now.

 

[McRanger92]

Hynes' only claim to fame is a first round exit with the Devils after they hadn't been in the playoffs in a while and 2 first round exits with the Preds. He always seemed like a guy that was getting woefully little out of a very capable Predators roster.

Would actually rather have Lavi.

Taylor Hall won the hart that year and they made the playoffs with Keith Kinkaid in goal. Hynes probably deserves lots of props for that but Nashville has just been a very vanilla team for awhile. And they have a star goalie. On the surface I wouldnt like it.

His best attribute is that he’s not nice.
That’s an absolute terrible reason to hire someone.
You hire a coach who’s gonna get the most out of the best players on the team.
You hire a coach who’s got a system to hide weaknesses.
You don’t hire a coach who hasn’t been able to do either of those two things.
Do the rangers need a disciplinary coach? No one knows yet.
But to bring in a coach with a shit record, and a weak system, who’s only strong case is that he yells?
Might as well go to babcock then. At least he has an offensive system.

Not an endorsement of Hynes, but the veterans need a kick in the pants. They got everything they asked for, including major deadline additions who are buddies of Panarin, and repaid that trust with a collective no show.

 

[mas0764]

Sounds like we're hiring the same coach again.

Except dump and chase instead of carry into the zone?

 

[I Eat Crow]

John Hynes? Yeah, we're doomed.

I'd unironically prefer Messier.

Patrick Roy seemingly a better option day by day.

 

[mas0764]

Just get Leach.

Stop going for experience when the experience is bad experience.

 

[JimmyG89]

Peter Laviolette is the definition of luke-warm. John Hynes is poison. If you want a veteran coach, what exactly has he done to make it so that he should be hired over Laviolette? You might as well have kept Gallant and told the players to deal with it.

 

[EdJovanovski]

It’s Hynes now?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Peter Laviolette is the definition of luke-warm. John Hynes is poison. If you want a veteran coach, what exactly has he done to make it so that he should be hired over Laviolette? You might as well have kept Gallant and told the players to deal with it.

Poor mans doctor evil knocked Lavi off? Guess they weren't all that excited about Lavi to begin with