Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Flyers 04/07/18 - That’s All Folks

[eco's bones]

The way I read AV's transcript is he's just defending his time here--pretty much saying he gets good results when he has good players and a good team (duh!--funny how that works) and that he should keep his job.

I don't know about other people but I wasn't exactly expecting (if he said anything at all on the subject) that he would tell the press that he did a shit job and should be fired. In real life people don't fire themselves and in real life people usually don't stand up and take the blame......at least not all the blame. Quite often they don't take any even when they ought to. But really it was a team getting older and going soft and IMO Sather and Gorton have a part in that too--especially Sather who's always been a bit teflon as far as Jimmy Dolan goes.

AV's been around the block and he's had other coaching gigs. He's had quite a bit of success barring the fact that one of his team's has never won a Cup. I'd lay odds that he's going to get another job in the not too distant future. I'm not going to worry overmuch about him.....he'll land on his feet.

What I expect is he's going to get the proverbial axe in the next few days.

 

[I Eat Crow]

You try to take them with a grain of salt considering the system, the team, and player's age (for example, nobody has brought up how bad Chytil and Andersson's corsi is, for good reason) but Pionk is putting up next-level numbers. The kind of numbers that no NHL-caliber player should be posting.

You said it yourself. Who HAS put up good Corsi after the deadline?

As far as I'm concerned, everybody gets a clean slate under a new coach and system in training camp this September.

Even Marc Staal. There's no purpose in buying him out now.

 

[egelband]

If we hit on Dobson/Bouchard and someone like Hajek pans out this defense has some future hope. Next year will most likely be more growing pains on the d but no reason in two/three years this defense can't have many YOUNG bright spots.

Totally agree. This team has a lot of young interesting players in the pipeline already. They need to continue to draft well and manage the growing pains. Also implement some sort of more effective defensive system. But I’m optimistic. As for talent, they’re in a good spot. I’m looking forward to watching them develop.

 

[Machinehead]

You said it yourself. Who HAS put up good Corsi after the deadline?

As far as I'm concerned, everybody gets a clean slate under a new coach and system in training camp this September.

Even Marc Staal. There's no purpose in buying him out now.

You're not wrong.

Tell you what, I"ll leave Pionk alone over the summer, but his leash is like 6 inches long.

 

[Machinehead]

So, coaches are clueless. GMs are clueless. TV abakysts are clueless. But the scouts, who are objectively wrong about lots of kids every year, know it all?

Fair point, but it was almost unanimous IIRC that Mittelstadt wouldn't even fall that far.

 

[Edge]

I can’t say a rebuild isn’t what I want.

I just hope enough people realize it’s not going to be a road without some potholes.

It’s one thing to talk rebuild, it’s another to navigate it.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I can’t say a rebuild isn’t what I want.

I just hope enough people realize it’s not going to be a road without some potholes.

It’s one thing to talk rebuild, it’s another to navigate it.

I just said the same thing in a different thread. This is not a one year process.

 

[Fvital92]

I just said the same thing in a different thread. This is not a one year process.

Hopefully it's a 2 year process. I can live with a rebuild as long as the coach plays the young kids. AV putting Buchnevich on the 4th line, Lias on the 4th line and etc, it's f***ing tiresome.

 

[I Eat Crow]

You're not wrong.

Tell you what, I"ll leave Pionk alone over the summer, but his leash is like 6 inches long.

Deal.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

It's gonna be longer than 2 years

 

[Machinehead]

It's gonna be longer than 2 years

And it's gonna suck and I hope everyone is super positive about it just like they were super positive about this abortion of a season.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

And it's gonna suck and I hope everyone is super positive about it just like they were super positive about this abortion of a season.

They won't be and you know it, this will be a string of horrifying seasons

 

[Machinehead]

Speaking of which, how far along are the Knicks into their rebuild?

Year-17?

 

[Block More Shots]

We've been pretty bad all year long. It's funny how terrible the defense has been, yet no adjustments were made to address it. Whole coaching staff outside of Allaire should be let go.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Speaking of which, how far along are the Knicks into their rebuild?

Year-17?

It's infinite.

But why is it that way? Because they've never fully committed to rebuilding.

 

[Machinehead]

It's infinite.

But why is it that way? Because they've never fully committed to rebuilding.

They don't have to, they get top draft picks without trying.

Funny how it doesn't always work.

 

[Fvital92]

They don't have to, they get top draft picks without trying.

Funny how it doesn't always work.

They are the Coyotes, Oilers, Sabres of the NBA.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They don't have to, they get top draft picks without trying.

Funny how it doesn't always work.

They don't though, they've traded a ton of them away. I mean the Rangers did too, but they traded their picks away when it was clear that they had a shot to win. Knicks have done it when they weren't really in a position to, dark ages style.

Plus the NBA draft is a completely different animal compared to the NHL draft. Not as many impact players beyond the top 3 picks in the NBA draft in most years, that is if the draft is even 3 picks deep.

 

[Machinehead]

They don't though, they've traded a ton of them away. I mean the Rangers did too, but they traded their picks away when it was clear that they had a shot to win. Knicks have done it when they weren't really in a position to, dark ages style.

Plus the NBA draft is a completely different animal compared to the NHL draft. Not as many impact players beyond the top 3 picks in the NBA draft in most years, that is if the draft is even 3 picks deep.

Still, the fact that this team and the Knicks are run by the same person is scary.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

They don't have to, they get top draft picks without trying.

Funny how it doesn't always work.

If you think the knicks get a bunch of first round picks you clearly dont follow them. Just google the Eddy Curry trade

 

[Ghost of jas]

Still, the fact that this team and the Knicks are run by the same person is scary.

Dolan is much more hands off with the Rangers than the Knicks.

 

[Miamipuck]

Still, the fact that this team and the Knicks are run by the same person is scary.

I love the way you meltdown, you make Chernobyl look like a cool breeze. lmao

 

[Irishguy42]

Fair point, but it was almost unanimous IIRC that Mittelstadt wouldn't even fall that far.

*Vilardi looks on from a distance; raises his hand to wave*

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think the fact that Dolan signed off (or straight up asked for, depending on who you believe) on the sell off/rebuild is encouraging. He could have easily said that he didn't give a shit and wanted his playoff revenue but he didn't.

Knicks are a cluster f*** and have been for some time. Whats funny is that had the Rangers gone the route that some people here wanted, it wouldn't be long until the Rangers rivaled them in that regard.

 

[Irishguy42]

Still, the fact that this team and the Knicks are run by the same person is scary.

I haven't seen Dolan try to pick a fight in the stands with a team idol, so I think we're fine.