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Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Flyers 04/07/18 - That’s All Folks

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aufheben said:
First and foremost, we have a GM who not only identified a need to rebuild, he acted on it. That in itself is the most important part of rebuilding; any team can just sell off valuable pieces for prospects and picks. Not to mention this management is currently the envy of cities like Vancouver, Montreal, and Detroit.

Only after that comes the values of trades and acquisitions*,

*I don't even know what you in particular are upset about the moves Gorton has made. Signed Shattenkirk and Smith, traded Miller (who I do not remember you having anything nice to say about, at all). I'd say his only real gaff so far has been the whole Brendan Smith ordeal. I don't know what other trade you could possibly be so upset about, maybe the Eric Staal trade? As we've been seeing in Minnesota, Eric Staal is still a very good player. I believe Gorton brought back, what, 6 defense prospects during the TDL? Not to mention DeAngelo. He obviously sees the issues and is taking steps to address it. Holden trade worked out great, even sold him off for more than we paid. Now it looks like AV will be gone next year....Gorton fixes mistakes he makes.

Lias Andersson was the 3rd ranked European skater, and you're comparing him to Dylan McIlrath? Not to mention the Chytil pick, who is popping up in the Top-10 in most people's re-drafts.
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You wanna know what moves I'm upset about? Ok.

-McDonagh trade sucked and including Miller only makes it worse. Whether I like Miller or not, he has value.
-Got nothing for Hagelin
-Got nothing for Talbot
-2015 draft is one of the worst by any team since the lockout
-No he's not McIlrath, and yes he's a good prospect, but I hated the Lias pick when it happened and still do.
-Fired AV about 100 years too late
-Reportedly wanted to fire AV in November but didn't because we went on a PDO bender
-Let Eric Staal walk
-Let Yandle walk
-Absolutely refused to bring in forward depth this summer and left us with arguably the worst 4th line in the NHL

He's done plenty of good things, but there's enough here that I think the jury is still out. And everyone expects me to be excited about a future that hasn't even started yet. I'm not excited about an uncertain future. I'm frightened by an uncertain future, and Gorton -while not a terrible GM- has given me enough reason to think it might not turn out so good.
 
Synergy27 said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a massive amount of faith in this FO. But, how do they not get credit for finding Lundqvist? I guess this means that Detroit shouldn't get credit for finding Datsyuk and Zetterberg either right? They just "fell from the sky"?
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Nah, I don't really give Detroit credit for that either.

Anything past the 4th or 5th round that turns into an elite player is luck. And IMO Ken Holland lived off of that for years being a pretty lousy GM.
 
Re: the goofy 2015 draft, Kovacs and Saarela were good picks for a third round. Kovacs had personal problems (and probably shouldn't have been brought to a foreign country so early to play 4th line on a trash team if we knew that) and Saarela got traded. Maybe neither one is an NHLer. Draft picks outside the 1st round or top 20 kinda suck
 
Irishguy42 said:


Sure, that's what you think AV.
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AV was surprised when he had to leave Vancouver, but it`s not easy to coach this current team - there are so many holes on it. I`m not saying it`s all on AV, because that`s just a wrong evaluation.

Machinehead said:
I've always been an optimistic fan when given reason to be. This team is awful and I don't understand the confidence in the guy who's supposed to fix it.
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Yes I agree, they need to hit in this 2018 draft and it will help the progress, but it will be difficult with 9th or 8th overall, and it depends on the lottery.
 
And then there's Pionk.

The analytics he's putting up and then way the fans and MSG are talking about him is absolutely horrifying.

That's not necessarily all Gorton's fault, but I already went through one Girardi, and I can't go through another one.
 
NYR said:
I don't often agree with @Machinehead but quite honestly, there's wayy too much rationalizing going on around here.

This team didn't tank ****.

Management did!
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I don't often agree with this guy either, but everyone puts faith in management to clean up the mess, and forget that the same GM made the mess.

This team went from SCF to impossible to watch in four seasons.
 
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Machinehead said:
And then there's Pionk.

The analytics he's putting up and then way the fans and MSG are talking about him is absolutely horrifying.

That's not necessarily all Gorton's fault, but I already went through one Girardi, and I can't go through another one.
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Wait a minute. Pionk = Girardi for you? Are anyone's analytics on this blown up team worth anything for evaluation purposes?
 
Machinehead said:
I don't often agree with this guy either, but everyone puts faith in management to clean up the mess, and forget that the same GM made the mess.

This team went from SCF to impossible to watch in four seasons.
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I couldn't agree more and that's been more than obvious in my posts.

#reality
 
well one thing is for sure having some first round picks (3 at least) and not trading them away like candy will sure help. I know some maybe were necessary in getting to where we had to get to in 2014 and 2015 but fact of the matter is now we have them. lets see what the current gm and scouts can do. Hopefully next year we can at least compete then in 2019-2020 blossom even more.
 
Machinehead said:
You wanna know what moves I'm upset about? Ok.

-McDonagh trade sucked and including Miller only makes it worse. Whether I like Miller or not, he has value.
-Got nothing for Hagelin
-Got nothing for Talbot
-2015 draft is one of the worst by any team since the lockout
-No he's not McIlrath, and yes he's a good prospect, but I hated the Lias pick when it happened and still do.
-Fired AV about 100 years too late
-Reportedly wanted to fire AV in November but didn't because we went on a PDO bender
-Let Eric Staal walk
-Let Yandle walk
-Absolutely refused to bring in forward depth this summer and left us with arguably the worst 4th line in the NHL

He's done plenty of good things, but there's enough here that I think the jury is still out. And everyone expects me to be excited about a future that hasn't even started yet. I'm not excited about an uncertain future. I'm frightened by an uncertain future, and Gorton -while not a terrible GM- has given me enough reason to think it might not turn out so good.
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Half of these complaints are sather moves
And the McD trade is too early to tell
 
Machinehead said:
-No he's not McIlrath, and yes he's a good prospect, but I hated the Lias pick when it happened and still do.
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Why on earth would you hate Lias pick? Less than 12 since since getting drafted he went from SHL to AHL to NHL.
 
silverfish said:
Unbelievable. It's clear he doesn't have the mental fortitude to play through a rebuild. Trade him now.
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That is just wrong - he has the right mindset as a player, and it`s not his job to build this team after Ryan Mc. & Stepan were gone in consider Rangers was a playoffs team for 7 years now, and it`s understandable for some players perspective. It might be hard to adapt and embrace the rebuild status especially right after the last game of the season in a post game interview. And it will take a while for players to adapt to new environment and more realistic expectations next season.

I was one of the few fans here who did not expected Rangers to reach playoffs this season before the 1st game started last year, but I never expected the massive amount of injuries we had this year.
 
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Synergy27 said:
Wait a minute. Pionk = Girardi for you? Are anyone's analytics on this blown up team worth anything for evaluation purposes?
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You try to take them with a grain of salt considering the system, the team, and player's age (for example, nobody has brought up how bad Chytil and Andersson's corsi is, for good reason) but Pionk is putting up next-level numbers. The kind of numbers that no NHL-caliber player should be posting.
 
darko said:
Why on earth would you hate Lias pick? Less than 12 since since getting drafted he went from SHL to AHL to NHL.
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We left higher ranked players on the board because Lias is competitive and throws medals.

Even if he ends up being a good player it was for all the wrong reasons.
 
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Machinehead said:
You try to take them with a grain of salt considering the system, the team, and player's age (for example, nobody has brought up how bad Chytil and Andersson's corsi is, for good reason) but Pionk is putting up next-level numbers. The kind of numbers that no NHL-caliber player should be posting.
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He's like the opposite of Girardi stylistically though. He's as modern a defenseman as they come no?
 
Synergy27 said:
He's like the opposite of Girardi stylistically though. He's as modern a defenseman as they come no?
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In the defensive zone, I don't see it. He randomly throws the puck at the boards because he's incapable of doing anything else, and just lets guys walk into the zone. Pretty much exactly like Girardi.
 
Mindboggling how someone could say McD trade was bad. Hajek + Howden, give these guys a chance to succeed before bashing the trade. Then we also have their 1st rounder. And 2nd rounder next year, potentially 1st.

This is a trade that could go from all time bad (both Howden and Hajek bust, we draft garbage, Names walks) to a gift that keeps on giving (Hajek turns into top pairing, Howden becomes top-6, we draft another Chytil with Tampa's pick, Names signs a team fruendly deal and becomes a 50-point player).
 
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Machinehead said:
That's a total cop-out.

Sather hasn't looked in this team's direction since the MSL trade and I have a very good source on that.
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Im sorry but I’m not going to believe some random source when no one else has said something similar.
Its not a cop-out if its true
 
Machinehead said:
We left higher ranked players on the board because Lias is competitive and throws medals.

Even if he ends up being a good player it was for all the wrong reasons.
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He threw a medal after we drafted him.

His SHL stats going into the draft were on par with Kopitar.
 
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darko said:
Going into the draft I saw Lias mocked as high as 9. Late riser.
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Kopitar was in the Sweedish Juniors when he was drafted, but their D+1 years are pretty similar to one another.
Its ludicrous to still be mad over this pick imo
 
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