I know exactly what you're referencing. I watched it. The fact that you can take those pieces of information and pin players' lack of conditioning going into the season on Torts is mind boggling. Do you actually understand what you're arguing? Srs?
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I know exactly what you're referencing. I watched it. The fact that you can take those pieces of information and pin players' lack of conditioning going into the season on Torts is mind boggling. Do you actually understand what you're arguing? Srs?
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Think that Torts was the one with the vendetta. To me, these two actions were unprovoked:
1) color commentary on Avery before taking NYR job
2) Surprise scratch of Avery in the Washington playoff series, (followed by Torts's own personal meltdown)
Hunter Gathers
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I think that Torts handled Avery quite well while they were on the same team. If he had a vendetta against Avery, he would have just gotten rid of him on day 1.
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They had access, the only thing is they had to pay the regular rental fee for facilities. All players in the league had access to their own facilities just like any public group.
Really sad that our 4th line winger had more ice time than Step and Nash! Way to send a message Torts you moron!! This monkey has to go!!
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The roster is littered with guys without a history of putting up points.
I'm not a torts guy but the blame for the roster is 100% Sather.
By the way, how many points did Gabs get tonight? What is his excuse tonight?
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Do you have me on ignore or something?
Avery scored 23 goals and 30 assists in 86 games under Renney.
Avery NEVER approached those numbers under Tortorella. Torts never game him the chance.
Did every Ranger on the Roster take advantage of this? I do recall Cally was holding informal practices with a small group of guys. I did not reliaze it was at the Ranger owned facility.
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Yeah. Avery falling off the map was all Torts' fault. It wasn't the fact that players like Hagelin, Stepan, Prust, etc. pushed him down the line-up and out of the organization.
If Avery was so great, someone would have picked him up or signed him.
You can make the argument that all of management is too blame from GM to the coaching staff.
NYR Viper
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So because Avery was ineffective its the coaches fault? You realize no other teams wanted him right? Torts gave him more of a chance than probably 29 other coaches would have.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Torts had a vendetta against Avery. Or Avery with Torts. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was all just a bit of media play happening between the two of them.
But has anyone watched that colour commentary muted (I assume you're referring to the TSN one)? I remember thinking at the time, why the heck is he smiling like that? Does he know something we don't? At the time I guessed on a local forum that he was going to be the next coach and he knew it at the time of that "rant." Watch it closely while muted - the guy doesn't have a poker face at all, and was doing everything he could not to break up on camera.
Yeah. Avery falling off the map was all Torts' fault. It wasn't the fact that players like Hagelin, Stepan, Prust, etc. pushed him down the line-up and out of the organization.
If Avery was so great, someone would have picked him up or signed him.
It still amazes me how Avery can derail a thread in a game that he had nothing to do with & make it his own.
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Agreed. Also, the same people that worship Avery tend to be the same people who post "FIRE TORTS!" every five minutes. Take that as you will.
I'm just speechless. I really don't know what to say. Yes, if it were a normal season and Torts was having insane practices, then maybe. But what you're saying is that the players came into the season out of shape (this is 100 % on them). Then, Torts proceeded to have his normal practices (he doesn't say anything different in the behind the benches interview). The players then come to him and say its too much (again, deserve to be **** on for not being ready to play). How is this on Torts? Torts was trying to get his team back into shape. He was trying to make sure they're ready to play. They weren't, and it has shown right since the start (Richie, Gabby, Boyle, etc). Would you rather he throw up his hands and say **** it, and field a team that looks like its skating in mud?
Not to mention in the very same interview, he then even says that in response to the players, he actually CHANGED his practices and on top of that he's had MORE optional practices this year... So, even if one thinks the point you're trying to make is valid, it simply doesn't match up with the FACTS. Jesus christ, the blind Torts hate around here is just ridiculous (not saying there aren't things he's done poorly, but for ****s sake at least make sense if you're going to criticize him).
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Guys around the league were using various NHL team and other public facilities. The point is, every player in the NHL had access and the financial means to rent as much ice and make use of facilities as they needed to stay in shape.
It's not like NHLers were locked up in a dungeon for four months while the lockout was going on. They all had reasonable means to stay in shape - if they chose to put in the effort to do so.
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He's has the most wins out of any US born NHL head coach.
Nah, the clown clearly sucks bro.
Yeah. Avery falling off the map was all Torts' fault. It wasn't the fact that players like Hagelin, Stepan, Prust, etc. pushed him down the line-up and out of the organization.
If Avery was so great, someone would have picked him up or signed him.
If you will remember, Avery left after the end of the 2008 season. After the Dallas incident, Avery came back to the Rangers and actually helped them sneak into the playoffs. Torts scratched him for Game #5 for "disciplinary" reasons, yet Torts couldn't control his emotions either.
There was no Stepan in 2009-10, no Hagelin in 2009-10. When Avery got to play, he usually produced something. The problem was that Torts never trusted Avery because Torts didn't like the **** stirring Avery was really good at.
Avery was a much better hockey player than Torts and a lot of people here gave him credit for. The reason nobody ever picked him up was he was damaged goods. The only place he could have ever played after the "sloppy seconds" remark was New York.
Yes, he did say those things which was in response to his players coming to him asking him to back off a little bit. The bottom line is that the players know their own bodies & Torts has to understand that this season is a different process than seasons past. Torts needs to change his system to accomadate different scenerios. This is something Torts has never been really good at.
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