nyrpassion
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I'm a Torts apologist haha. I really doubt he'll get fired because of this season, just because of the lockout. However, if this continues past this year, then I agree, a change is needed. But the "clown" doesn't suck.
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I'm a Torts apologist haha. I really doubt he'll get fired because of this season, just because of the lockout. However, if this continues past this year, then I agree, a change is needed. But the "clown" doesn't suck.
The Gloaming
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Yeah he's wonderful.
He's has the most wins out of any US born NHL head coach.
2001-02 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL Head 82 27 40 11 4 0.421 Out of Playoffs
2002-03 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL Head 82 36 25 16 5 0.567 Lost in round 2
2003-04 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL Head 82 46 22 8 6 0.646 Won Championship
2005-06 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL Head 82 43 33 0 6 0.561 Lost in round 1
2006-07 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL Head 82 44 33 0 5 0.567 Lost in round 1
2007-08 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL Head 82 31 42 0 9 0.433 Out of Playoffs
2008-09 New York Rangers NHL Head‡ 21 12 7 0 2 0.619 Lost in round 1
2009-10 New York Rangers NHL Head 82 38 33 0 11 0.530 Out of Playoffs
2010-11 New York Rangers NHL Head 82 44 33 0 5 0.567 Lost in round 1
2011-12 New York Rangers NHL Head 82 51 24 0 7 0.665 Lost in round 3
2012-13 New York Rangers NHL Head * * * * * * *
I don't think he sucks either, but he has mis-read his team all year. I think it's obvious that this isn't our year. The question will be in the coming days is who stays & who goes at the dead line. I doubt we are going to see any of the big names like Gabs get dealt they will all be role players that get traded.
filth e mcnasti
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my new avatar.
Love it.
Only coaches I would even consider replacing Torts with this season:
Scotty Bowman
Mike Babcock
Joel Quenneville
Michel Therrien
Barry Trotz
Paul MacLean
Ken Hitchcock
One is retired. The rest are not leaving their respective teams any time soon. So, in my mind, Torts is the best we're gonna get. Now, if things continue to suck 20-30 games into next season, I'd be open to exploring other options. But right now the talk is pretty ridiculous when the major issues are roster problems and players not living up to potential.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
Why are you complaining about 2009-2010? Avery got plenty of time and finished pretty high in scoring on the team. No idea what you could remotely ***** about during that year.
Avery was a mediocre hockey player who benefitted from playing in the right place at the right time. He was simply pushed off the team due to the play of those around him (and the emergence of Prust). I'm sorry that you're upset that Avery is not a Ranger or that you think Torts was mean to him.
But you you are quite wrong.
Also, this is my last time even mentioning Avery in this thread. If you want the last word, go for it.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
Avery tweet aside, there need to be changes made.
This isn't a typical Torts team. He's a motivator. His defensive system works with players that naturally can't score, know they can't score, and therefore are willing to do other, dirtier, aspects of the game to try and make up for that. His system ISNT what hockey should be about. Throwing your body aimlessly to block a puck that can sometimes be moving up to 90+ mph is not how this sport was made to be played. And it's not just an aspect of his system... IT IS his system.
You have goal scorers on this team. Use them. Players have their defensive responsibilities, I understand that, but making them adhere to a system (not fit to their abilities) or be benched for not throwing your body aimlessly in front of pucks is not indicative of a good coach. He's incapable of making adjustments, he's incapable of getting the most out of his players abilities, and he's now incapable of even motivating his players (his best coaching technique).
This is not to take away blame from the team. The team has structural problems on its own. Not enough glue guys. No one fights for each other. Its disgusting. Some nights theres no heart or desire apparent to go out and play, let alone win.
Changes need to be made. Torts seems to be putting himself and his system above everything else. He's not even giving his players the chance to see if a different system can work, or at least a more offensively adjusted one. The blame lies on both the coach and the players but some type of shake up needs to happen before this becomes just another typical NY team that never fulfills its expectations.
This isn't a typical Torts team. He's a motivator. His defensive system works with players that naturally can't score, know they can't score, and therefore are willing to do other, dirtier, aspects of the game to try and make up for that. His system ISNT what hockey should be about. Throwing your body aimlessly to block a puck that can sometimes be moving up to 90+ mph is not how this sport was made to be played. And it's not just an aspect of his system... IT IS his system.
You have goal scorers on this team. Use them. Players have their defensive responsibilities, I understand that, but making them adhere to a system (not fit to their abilities) or be benched for not throwing your body aimlessly in front of pucks is not indicative of a good coach. He's incapable of making adjustments, he's incapable of getting the most out of his players abilities, and he's now incapable of even motivating his players (his best coaching technique).
This is not to take away blame from the team. The team has structural problems on its own. Not enough glue guys. No one fights for each other. Its disgusting. Some nights theres no heart or desire apparent to go out and play, let alone win.
Changes need to be made. Torts seems to be putting himself and his system above everything else. He's not even giving his players the chance to see if a different system can work, or at least a more offensively adjusted one. The blame lies on both the coach and the players but some type of shake up needs to happen before this becomes just another typical NY team that never fulfills its expectations.
Nac Mac Feegle
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Agreed on both counts.
It's a multi-headed problem on this team:
-poor GM choices in personnel (not replacing the heart and work ethic lost in the summer)
-poor adaption by the entire coaching staff
-poor preparation by the players
Thunderhead
Registered User
One Cup in 70 (seventy) years should tell you something about the New York Rangers organisation. Jesus, this is supposed to be New York City not Wichita, Kansas.
Put him last on the list for a reason. He's gotten **** for failing to adjust to a changing game, and I think some of that is justified. But he's done a bit of a better job recently - despite STL's struggles this season.
a 48 game season should have been ideal for us. The style of game the Rangers play would have had them hitting their stride around the 30 game mark that should have carried us though June. We just never got that really good momentum. We have played more like a glaicer. win 3 games, lose 2. Hard to make a positive mark that way.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
It's not like this is just happening randomly. Combo between the players and the coach. Why were the Blackhawks like 19-0-3? Their coach kept them focused game in and game out. Clearly that statistic shows they have skill, but it also shows their coaches ability to get them to work as hard as they need to every single game.
Half the nights the players have no emotion. That's a big part on the coach. If the players are unresponsive to him, there needs to be a shake up... either him or bring players that will get the locker room to sway in his favor.
Hunter Gathers
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17futurecap
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Whiplash27
Quattro!!
That's not French
Anyway, as I said, the guy probably has more inside info than any of us. He's very good friends with Lundqvist and probably quite a few other Rangers. If the players hate the coach, he'd probably know about it. Whether he's actually passing on that knowledge or just taking a shot at a coach that he doesn't like is another story.
Samuel Culper III
Mr. Woodhull...
Don't care anymore. Hopping on the St. Louis/Chicago bandwagon in the west and Pittsburgh for Malkin and Iggy in the east. We're a chore to watch. No entertainment at all.
That's not French
Anyway, as I said, the guy probably has more inside info than any of us. He's very good friends with Lundqvist and probably quite a few other Rangers. If the players hate the coach, he'd probably know about it. Whether he's actually passing on that knowledge or just taking a shot at a coach that he doesn't like is another story.
It's not so much that I'm getting sick of Avery himself. He can say whatever he wants. I'm sick of the glorification of him.
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