Confirmed with Link: Rangers buy out Shattenkirk

[eco's bones]

The buyout puts the Rangers in the position of being able to go into training camp as is and not have to overly worry about cap compliance. It's painful for some particularly Kevin. I don't think he's without options though but I also wonder how much his knee injury from a couple years back will compromise his game going forward. I wouldn't mind the Isles or Devils signing him if he wants to stay in the area. One reason is I don't think he's that good.

We'll see but every year comes with its arrivals and departures. That's part of the game and it's best to be careful about attaching yourself too much to any particular player. Some do end up with their team for a decade or more but not too many.

 

[Larrybiv]

Literally, the Rangers could have another top-pairing defenseman or top-line forward on their roster in place of their dead cap space.

Yes, but only for next years cap. Then what?

 

[Chaels Arms]

Doesn't using a buyout impact what happens with performance bonuses? I remember reading something to that effect when James Mirtle was explaining the David Clarkson trade.

 

[Larrybiv]

He had to submit a 10 team list, so it's possible that one of the 10 teams was someone who wanted him... but I doubt it.

And if that were the case and he vetoed a trade, then he really doesn't LOVE the Rangers as much as he said he did. Even he could see the writing on the perverbial wall, and had he waived it would have been good for his favorite team...not EVERYTHING is about Shatty. He got what he wanted and somehow blew it.

 

[Larrybiv]

Crazy thought. Put Namestnikov on PP1. Nearly half his goals (9 of 22) from his career year with Stamkos and Kucherov came on the PP, a lot resulting from backdoor plays because eyes were on the latter two.

I think that's kind of crazy, but I get what you're saying. From what I am recalling Names seems to be around the net often, but also remembering him blowing many opportunities there as well. Yes he had 9 with Stamkos and Kuch on the PP but just how many more "could he have had" had he really good hands?
Just playing devils advocate here.

 

[Larrybiv]

After those first 2 in 3 nights, we have one game in 11 days, any reason for that?

Yes, teasing us Rangers fans after we win the first 2 games, and then making us go through withdrawals in between games 2 and 4. The NHL seriously has it in for us.

 

[GAGLine]

Doesn't using a buyout impact what happens with performance bonuses? I remember reading something to that effect when James Mirtle was explaining the David Clarkson trade.

No. Toronto will be using LTIR and LTIR cap space can't be used to pay performance bonuses. Buyouts have no impact on that. We won't be using LTIR, so whatever unused cap space we have at the end of the year will go toward paying bonuses.

 

[Larrybiv]

I do not forgive you for being late. But I forgive you for your last line.

Wonder if he did that on purpose, or subconsciously.

 

[Larrybiv]

Center Field for the New York Mets.

He cant skate, what makes you think he can run? Jk.

 

[Larrybiv]

It's been talked about ad nauseum before but we're fortunate Dolan doesn't care about the Rangers.

I dont care if he cares or he doesn't. Just shell out the money and let the hockey people run the hockey part of it. I personally love the guy, would love to be his best friend.

 

[Leetch3]

It's been talked about ad nauseum before but we're fortunate Dolan doesn't care about the Rangers.

I disagree that he doesn't care...the difference between the knicks and rangers is the rangers have people that dolan trusts and therefore they don't let him be involved. for all the potential criticisms of glen sather over the year, he is basically the reason we aren't the knicks

 

[Larrybiv]

Of course, there's also the possibility that he indeed finds his niche on this offense and that ends up pricing him out of the Rangers plans. In which case, the trade ends up happening anyway.

And if that happens, we will get even that much more in return at the deadline........right? Hopefully?

 

[RangerBoy]

What I get for just trusting them, because those are the numbers I was looking at when I did this before they updated them the first time.

So yeah, they're going to have to try to get those guys on cheaper deals.

The only way D'Angelo and Lemieux are getting that kind of money is if they are playing Monopoly.

Best guess? $2MM between the two of them.

$874,125 is the qualifier for both players. Take it or leave it. This is one of the few times the Rangers have any leverage. The Rangers are tapped out.

 

[will1066]

Wonder if he did that on purpose, or subconsciously.

I've thought about it. He did it purposely. He's like the Chytil of mental snipes. Doesn't happen a lot but when it does, it's top shelf bottle-popping.

 

[Edge]

And if that happens, we will get even that much more in return at the deadline........right? Hopefully?

Hopefully.

Hockey markets are weird, and Kreider is one of those players who I can imagine is a little polarizing in terms of how others might view him.

 

[True Blue]

Ha,
I’d say the second he went out needing knee surgery 4 months into signing his contract was the writing on the wall he was gonna eventually be bought out

I held out hope. And even went as far as giving him the benefit of the doubt for most of last year. But his stagnant play remained stagnant.

But that is my view. The reality is that once Fox was acquired, that was going to be the end for him. Who knows? Maybe if he showed something last year, then Gorton would not make the move to get Fox. But he did not, and we know what Gorton did. Like I said, the music stopped and Shattenkirk did not have a chair.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I held out hope. And even went as far as giving him the benefit of the doubt for most of last year. But his stagnant play remained stagnant.

But that is my view. The reality is that once Fox was acquired, that was going to be the end for him. Who knows? Maybe if he showed something last year, then Gorton would not make the move to get Fox. But he did not, and we know what Gorton did. Like I said, the music stopped and Shattenkirk did not have a chair.

I think the writing was on the wall the second that memo/email came from Slats/Gorts leading up to the TDL when McDonaugh was dealt.

 

[True Blue]

I think the writing was on the wall the second that memo/email came from Slats/Gorts leading up to the TDL when McDonaugh was dealt.

Stop muddying my opinion with your facts.

 

[Crease]

Hopefully.

Hockey markets are weird, and Kreider is one of those players who I can imagine is a little polarizing in terms of how others might view him.

I can easily see gms comparing Kreider to Lucic and Simmonds and saying no thank you.

 

[Inferno]

I can easily see gms comparing Kreider to Lucic and Simmonds and saying no thank you.

Kreider is an elite skater...both of those guys were always slow.

Even if kreider slows down considerably he will still be a league average skater.

That's the difference

 

[Crease]

Kreider is an elite skater...both of those guys were always slow.

Even if kreider slows down considerably he will still be a league average skater.

That's the difference

Kreider doesn't really stand out to me skating wise anymore. When he broke into the league seven years ago he was in the conversation for top 5 skaters (along with Hagelin and Grabner). The league is full of speedsters now and Kreider is seven years older. Honestly, I think he's closer to league average than elite today (which at 28 years old is still impressive).

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Was Shattenkirk really that bad?

No, but he came to his first camp out of shape, then injured his knee and hasn't been anything more than a mediocre bottom-4 dman. His buyout was also a single move that the team could make to get under the cap. Smith or Staal, while definitely more deserving of buyouts in my mind, wouldn't get us under the cap. So, I think the choice the front office had to make boiled down to a couple options:
1) Buyout Shattenkirk
2) Buyout both Staal AND Smith
3) Buyout one of Staal/Smith AND move another ~$2M in cap
Option 3 is the most preferable from my standpoint, but that all depends on what other teams are offering. I don't think the front office wanted to part with assets to move a contract, or take pennies on the dollar for Kreider while dealing from a position of reduced leverage.

 

[will1066]

I think that's kind of crazy, but I get what you're saying. From what I am recalling Names seems to be around the net often, but also remembering him blowing many opportunities there as well. Yes he had 9 with Stamkos and Kuch on the PP but just how many more "could he have had" had he really good hands?
Just playing devils advocate here.

If the team needs to play up his pre-deadline value, I suppose that is one way to do it. But it's a crazy move because it's likely not going to happen unless there are injuries and depth problems.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

The buyout puts the Rangers in the position of being able to go into training camp as is and not have to overly worry about cap compliance. It's painful for some particularly Kevin. I don't think he's without options though but I also wonder how much his knee injury from a couple years back will compromise his game going forward. I wouldn't mind the Isles or Devils signing him if he wants to stay in the area. One reason is I don't think he's that good.

We'll see but every year comes with its arrivals and departures. That's part of the game and it's best to be careful about attaching yourself too much to any particular player. Some do end up with their team for a decade or more but not too many.

Wouldn't surprise me if he joins AV in Philly,.

 

[will1066]

Hopefully.

Hockey markets are weird, and Kreider is one of those players who I can imagine is a little polarizing in terms of how others might view him.

He's polarizing here, lol.