Confirmed with Link: Rangers buy out Shattenkirk

[GAGLine]

Well, yes and no. Spooner, Names, Smith, and Shattenkirk are all Gorton. Beyond that, Gorton and much of the front office was, at a minimum, heavily involved in the Girardi contract.

Certainly the hope is a more measured approach, but right now that's really what it amounts to...a hope.

Either way, we're going to have to be significantly better moving forward.

A lot of those signings happened due to a lack of other options. If we had young players behind Staal and Girardi, we wouldn't have needed to re-sign both of them. A strong farm system is a necessity, not only to avoid giving out bad contracts, but to keep the team competitive long term.

We have a strong system now and we need to keep it strong. Once we are competitive again, we won't be getting high draft picks, but we can continue to trade older players for futures before they become an anchor on our cap.

 

[LORDE]

It is truly amazing how doctrinaire, conservative, slaves to a preset formula, and linear so many of you are in your thinking. If only we would do this, do that, in a predetermined order, they’ll be a Cup in our future.

Well, five year plans didn’t work in the Soviet Union and won’t work here.

Just as the game on ice is fluid, running a team also calls for creative thinking and the ability to go off script. Have a plan that looks to the future? Of course, and the Rangers do. This rebuild has been masterful. But if all you do is rigidly stick to a plan, you may find that five years have passed and you are still wallowing on the outside looking in.

There are no guarantees: stick to your plan and you may succeed....or not. Go off script and you may succeed...or not. That’s what makes sports so fascinating.

I have confidence that this management team knows what they are doing. That doesn’t mean I always agree with them. But, at this juncture, I am not going to cover them with bile and venom.

Poetically sums up my feelings also.

I absolutely HATE the concept of dead cap space piling up, but let’s see where this goes.

In a few years maybe we’re all flaming or maybe we’re drinking champagne. Time will tell

 

[LORDE]

Pretty sure if Fox needs it, they'll move him to the minors and replace him either with [minimum-salary RHD vet yet to be signed] or Smith.

Exactly. This regime, for all the talk of patience, is exactly that with these kids.

They do what they feel is best for their development. If he’s ready, and he plays well, we won’t care about the 2nd. If he deserves it, he’ll be in a NYR sweater. If not he’ll play in Hartford and getting the mins he needs.

 

[will1066]

Make no mistake, I don't think we've cornered the market on these type of decisions. I just think we're going to have be better in our approach.

One or two guys? Sure. But we're getting to the point where we've committed a half-dozen roster spots and more than $20 million to these type of deals. Right now it's not a deal breaker, but we can't keep missing this often on these contracts.

At some point, while you can't predict everything, you also can't swing and miss on half your defensive slots and 2/3 of a forward line either. Not if you're goal is to be a top team for the 2020s. So at the end of the day, what's done is done. The bigger question would be, "What have we learned, and how we can apply it to future decisions?"

Yes, true. It's like a flu virus. If you don't have a way of getting rid of it immediately, you have to just minimize its impact while letting it run its course. Staal was inherited, but Shattenkirk and Smith were bad contracts. And you just have to hope that the nearly 25% of the cap being tied up to Panarin and Trouba will turn out to be good ROI contracts to not let that flu sink back in.

 

[kovazub94]

As a companion piece to something I wrote earlier, the Rangers need to do a little soul searching in order to attain a higher probability of success in the 2020s.

When you have three defenseman on your current roster who are legit buyout candidates and for whom you cannot field an acceptable trade offer, and you factor in another defenseman whom you are paying while they play for another team, it's a blind spot and a major organizational issue.

They got lucky with Spooner, but haven't been as lucky with Namestnikov. Over the years they've somewhat dodged bullets with Richards, Gomez, Drury, and Naslund.

People talk about our amateur scouting, or worry about fleeced in trades. But for me, the evaluations and ROI on some of the contracts they're agreeing to are a bigger area of concern.

While I agree with the general sentiment of the post, I don't think relevant examples go beyond Girardi and Staal, maybe to the lesser extent the situation with obtaining BOTH Smith and Shatty. In hindsight Spooner should've gotten just a one year deal.

Gomez, Drury and Naslund are ancient history. If Strome trade didn't happen - I'd be against moving Namestnikov now and I'd bet he could return a 2nd rounder at TDL. He's a good hockey player even if he's had a terrible stat line as a Ranger.

 

[eco's bones]

It is truly amazing how doctrinaire, conservative, slaves to a preset formula, and linear so many of you are in your thinking. If only we would do this, do that, in a predetermined order, they’ll be a Cup in our future.

Well, five year plans didn’t work in the Soviet Union and won’t work here.

Just as the game on ice is fluid, running a team also calls for creative thinking and the ability to go off script. Have a plan that looks to the future? Of course, and the Rangers do. This rebuild has been masterful. But if all you do is rigidly stick to a plan, you may find that five years have passed and you are still wallowing on the outside looking in.

There are no guarantees: stick to your plan and you may succeed....or not. Go off script and you may succeed...or not. That’s what makes sports so fascinating.

I have confidence that this management team knows what they are doing. That doesn’t mean I always agree with them. But, at this juncture, I am not going to cover them with bile and venom.

Being flexible to things is usually a good idea. You can't script everything or be afraid to take advantage of opportunities when they present themselves. Gorton moved smartly on all of Fox, Trouba and Panarin. The team should be a lot more competitive because of that. At the same time we're bringing in a lot of quality young players. We're sticking with the plan--just ad libbing when we can.

 

[SickNice]

Make no mistake, I don't think we've cornered the market on these type of decisions. I just think we're going to have be better in our approach.

One or two guys? Sure. But we're getting to the point where we've committed a half-dozen roster spots and more than $20 million to these type of deals. Right now it's not a deal breaker, but we can't keep missing this often on these contracts.

At some point, while you can't predict everything, you also can't swing and miss on half your defensive slots and 2/3 of a forward line either. Not if you're goal is to be a top team for the 2020s. So at the end of the day, what's done is done. The bigger question would be, "What have we learned, and how we can apply it to future decisions?"

Entirely correct. The part I wonder about is whether this is surprising or somewhat expected within the organization. In other words, was level of play from Girardi, Staal, Smith completely off from where they expected them to be on the back end of these deals, or, did they fully recognize these deals would present problems in the future as their play deteriorated but made them anyways to preserve the cup window.

 

[McRanger]

Turns out Shattenkirk and the Rangers were a better story than they were a fit.

They were a good fit right up until he tore his left knee up.

 

[kovazub94]

That is a bet that Gorton may be willing to make. I posted this a while ago, but Namestnikov played very well when playing with top players. He can ride shotgun on a top line or be a pretty good third liner with the way that he reinvented his game last year. If it is the latter, if Boyle can get a 2nd, one would presume that Namestnikov could as well. If he is the opening RW on a line with Panarin and ZBad and produces the way he did in Tampa when the Rangers made the deal, he would make for a pretty attractive looking rental.

Now this is a more probable scenario to rebuild someone's value to increase a return in a trade (than Shattenkirk's).

 

[kovazub94]

It is truly amazing how doctrinaire, conservative, slaves to a preset formula, and linear so many of you are in your thinking. If only we would do this, do that, in a predetermined order, they’ll be a Cup in our future.

Well, five year plans didn’t work in the Soviet Union and won’t work here.

...

Well, this came out of the left field.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

They were a good fit right up until he tore his left knee up.

Didn't that happen during Training Camp. Makes you wonder why he was cleared to play if it affected him that badly.

 

[Tawnos]

Didn't that happen during Training Camp. Makes you wonder why he was cleared to play if it affected him that badly.

He was getting treatments that worked perfectly at first and gradually became less effective over time.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

And that's my other issue- both of those options are significantly worse than Shattenkirk considering who's available at the moment (McQuaid coming off a significant concussion, Petrovic, Girardi, and now Stone).

Are they really in the role they'd be filling? I'm not so sure...

 

[RangerBoy]

He isn't going to Canada.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Poetically sums up my feelings also.

I absolutely HATE the concept of dead cap space piling up, but let’s see where this goes.

In a few years maybe we’re all flaming or maybe we’re drinking champagne. Time will tell

What if there's champagne in the cup?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Didn't that happen during Training Camp. Makes you wonder why he was cleared to play if it affected him that badly.

It was a dumb decision then and it’s still dumb now.

 

[Tawnos]

What if there's champagne in the cup?

 

[mas0764]

He isn't going to Canada.

Shattenkirk could go to Buffalo because it's allows him to "stay in the NY (city) area" with his family, claims the article.

Buffalo is 6.5 hours from NYC.

Hockey markets that are as close or within an extra hour of that from NYC:

- Long Island (under 1 hour)
- New Jersey (under 1 hour)
- Philadelphia (2 hours)
- Boston (4.5 hours)
- Washington (4.5 hours)
- Pittsburgh (6 hours)
- Montreal (6.5 hours)
- Ottawa (7.25 hours)

And the Red Wings, Blue Jackets, Maple Leafs, and Hurricanes are all within an extra 2 hours.

Something tells me he's not going to Buffalo just to be close to his family in the NYC area.

 

[Thirty One]

He was getting treatments that worked perfectly at first and gradually became less effective over time.

Big thing was it affected his training so he couldn't maintain his shape and lost some escapability and so he got a lot worse as the season progressed. Started out hot though, even with the knee.

 

[Tawnos]

CapFriendly is updated now.

After sending down Beleskey and McKegg, the Rangers have $4.318m in cap space.

DeAngelo at 2.25 and Lemieux at 1.5 leaves ~$500k, which is enough to swap Kravtsov into the lineup and/or bank some space.

 

[Tawnos]

Big thing was it affected his training so he couldn't maintain his shape and lost some escapability and so he got a lot worse as the season progressed. Started out hot though, even with the knee.

True...

When you think about it, the only thing him playing on it really changed was that we might have gotten the letter a little earlier.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[Mac n Gs]

Are they really in the role they'd be filling? I'm not so sure...

IMO, yes. Shattenkirk has a very successful history in STL as a PKer, and we know he can handle 3rd period minutes. It's seriously being overlooked at how unlucky his on-ice results were last season. It's easy to crap on him and say he sucks, but if you dive into his results, he's seriously a prime candidate for a rebound season.

However, it's too late now, and I'm seriously frustrated that this move has to put a strike on what's been an incredible offseason for Gorton and co.

 

[Zibanejbread]

Glad I got to at least witness 1 of his 2 goals last season.