Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Bruins

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It must be fun to talk yourself into falsehoods. Its probably the same sort of thing that got you think this team would be scoring goals consistently.

What sort of falsehoods? If I read your posts and didn't know the scores I'd think the Rangers are 6-20 at best. I realize this team is mediocre. You pretend that they're the Buffalo Sabres. I think you're the one talking yourself into falsehoods. You have not said one positive thing all season, if a team sucked so bad they wouldn't win a game. You're the one that seems to be off on the team. I admit this team is mediocre. I had hope when they were playing well but losing earlier in the season, but I realize that they're mediocre now, especially with Lundqvist in net. You on the other hand seem to get your jollies by pretending that this is the worst team ever and think that makes you enlightened and smarter than everyone. You even type like that: "falsehoods", lol. Every one of your posts reeks of holier than thou/smarter than everyone delusions.
 
Not saying you're wrong, but I always thought the problem with this team was, is, and likely will continue to be that passable = the best possible outcome for this team.

Regardless of the change in style of play, year after year, the story is the same.

2 steps forward, 1 step back with most moves. Trades, free agent signings, coaching changes, etc.

Not one of the vaunted prospects has developed into a stud. Yes, many of them are still young, and many of them are good players. But no studs, despite the respective (and often absurdly out of control) hype machines for each of them. Brassard is the inconsistent, mediocre player he has been for most of his career. For every flash of brilliance, like that pass he made to Moore in Dallas, there are entire games of nothingness. And then you have the Pouliots and the Pyatts. What happened, Brad Isbister wasn't available? Christensen? Marcel Hossa?

No gamebreaking playmaking talent either up front or on the blueline, no secondary scoring, and a sizable population of absolute useless clods polluting the roster. The names on the ice and the names on this board, some of them have changed, but the discussion is virtually the same.

Always amusing . . .

Great post.
 
GA isn't an issue it's GF that's got us where we are, and it's been an issue for a long time. Either an aggressive move to bring in goal support needs to happen or a rebuild. But we're not getting anywhere as currently constructed. After saying that they'll score 5 against Vancouver tomorrow and think their ok.
 
11-12 team after Lundqvist stopped being a God and Biron fell back down to earth from March to April goals allowed minus empty netters in 21 games:

2, 4, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 5, 2, 2, 1, 4, 3, 2, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4, 4.

13-14 team

Minus empty netters. In the last 21 games (this is after what looks like an outlier start, Hank and Biron played worse than anything in that streak in 11-12, so it's unfair to use those 5 games).

0, 4, 2, 2, 2, 2, 0, 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 3, 0, 1, 2, 2, 0, 5, 2, 3.

Taking into account OT that's about 1.85 GAA for the 13-14 team. Taking OT into account for the 11-12 team that's about 2.73 GAA. That's almost a full goal more. So looks like this team even with a shaky Lundqvist is giving up almost a full goal a game less than that team with a shaky Lundqvist and Biron.

yet they are only winning at the same rate (11-9-1 in 11/12 vs 12-9-0 now) and this years team doesn't have a whole season worth of work to fall back on
 
The proper term is negative-nancy. Or, alternatively, Debbie Downer. :sarcasm:

I've been accused of being a Devils fan in hiding in the past (could you blame me even if I was?). I wouldn't want to stoke the flames.

By the way, I've noticed a lot of discussion about Lundqvist. Just want to say that nothing amuses me more than those that, season after season, decide that the big problem with this team is the best goaltender of his generation.

I'd say that, as has been the case nearly every season since what seems, at this point, like the dawn of time, the big problem with this team is lack of goalscoring. The Rangers are 28th in the league in scoring at a measly 2.12 goals per game. Even if you take out that abysmal 8 games that started this season and count simply the 18 since, the Rangers are at 2.38, or what would be good for 23rd. Yes, perhaps more time with the talented (and overrated) Mr. Nash would improve that number, but how much? Once again, no matter how you slice it, the Rangers will be in the bottom half of the league in average goals per game. Good luck with all that.
 
I've been accused of being a Devils fan in hiding in the past (could you blame me even if I was?). I wouldn't want to stoke the flames.

By the way, I've noticed a lot of discussion about Lundqvist. Just want to say that nothing amuses me more than those that, season after season, decide that the big problem with this team is the best goaltender of his generation.

I'd say that, as has been the case nearly every season since what seems, at this point, like the dawn of time, that the big problem with this team is lack of goalscoring. The Rangers are 28th in the league in scoring at a measly 2.12 goals per game. Even if you take out that abysmal 8 games that started this season and count simply the 18 since, the Rangers are at 2.38, or what would be good for 23rd. Yes, perhaps more time with the talented (and overrated) Mr. Nash would improve that number, but how much? Once again, no matter how you slice it, the Rangers will be in the bottom half of the league in average goals per game. Good luck with all that.

Yeah, this team is mediocre at best offensively. As usual. Even in our 1st place year we weren't top ten.
 
The ghost of Rangers-related realism past. Or, in terms people around here would understand, "hater."

Please stay.



This has to be my least favorite team next to the 08-09 squad. Last year's was up there too, but this team is just ugly.

I wasn't able to watch the game, but anyway, what type of team are we? Seriously what type of hockey is the team known for? Where's their identity? What was AV supposed to implement?? I don't see jack - not even a freaking glimpse - of the style of play. The only thing I see that stands out about how this team plays is the defensemen pinching in on the boards in the offensive soon. Oooooooooh, big one there. Before a team plays us, what do they think? 'Easy win' before the 'this team's going to smash in our faces with their fists and boards and their going to grind us down' or however a team is coached?

Should've kept Torts. People are a bunch of mentally soft *******.

AV still deserves his fair share, but this is crap. Lundqvist is looking crappy without a defensive coach. It's actually scaring me.
 
The score was a lot closer than the game.
I thought the D played well.
Hank was very good, the Chara goal was stoppable, stuff like that happens during a game, question can your offense overcome it. Happened on McDonagh's goal, B's overcame them, Rangers offense couldn't.

The offense is, and has been for few games, just mediocre.
Except for Nash, Brass, Kreider and Zuke, everybody was mediocre.
Stepan needs wake up, he is running out of excuses.
Callahan is going through a bad spell, he will get out of it.
Richards is cooked, been saying it for sometime now.
It's time to move Richards to wing on the 3rd line and put Brass on top line with Nash and Hagelin.
Call up Lindberg for 3C with Richards and Callahan.
I really would like to sit Ricards's butt down and call up Hrivik for that 3LW spot.

One last thought, I am giving AV some rope, but I question the DZ scratching the last couple of games, this team has more important issues than tinkering with the #6D. I don't see anybody on the offense being called to account for under performing.
 
Please stay.



This has to be my least favorite team next to the 08-09 squad. Last year's was up there too, but this team is just ugly.

I wasn't able to watch the game, but anyway, what type of team are we? Seriously what type of hockey is the team known for? Where's their identity? What was AV supposed to implement?? I don't see jack - not even a freaking glimpse - of the style of play. The only thing I see that stands out about how this team plays is the defensemen pinching in on the boards in the offensive soon. Oooooooooh, big one there. Before a team plays us, what do they think? 'Easy win' before the 'this team's going to smash in our faces with their fists and boards and their going to grind us down' or however a team is coached?

Should've kept Torts. People are a bunch of mentally soft *******.

AV still deserves his fair share, but this is crap. Lundqvist is looking crappy without a defensive coach. It's actually scaring me.

Ul Samuelsson is the defensive coach, and I thing he has done a very good job, all things considered. This team is still a good defensive team, a very good one, at that, and that's with Girardi playing like crap, Hank being more mortal than he has been in quite some time, Staal still recovering from his injury, and having Justin Falk in the lineup. When the players execute, it works brilliantly, but when they don't execute, it's a mess. Staal was all over the place in this game, and not in a good way. Girardi was terrible. When half of your top-4 defense sucks, and your team is mediocre offensively, you're not going to win the game.
 
Ul Samuelsson is the defensive coach, and I thing he has done a very good job, all things considered. This team is still a good defensive team, a very good one, at that, and that's with Girardi playing like crap, Hank being more mortal than he has been in quite some time, Staal still recovering from his injury, and having Justin Falk in the lineup. When the players execute, it works brilliantly, but when they don't execute, it's a mess. Staal was all over the place in this game, and not in a good way. Girardi was terrible. When half of your top-4 defense sucks, and your team is mediocre offensively, you're not going to win the game.
Girardi played like crap today?
 
I've been accused of being a Devils fan in hiding in the past (could you blame me even if I was?). I wouldn't want to stoke the flames.

By the way, I've noticed a lot of discussion about Lundqvist. Just want to say that nothing amuses me more than those that, season after season, decide that the big problem with this team is the best goaltender of his generation.

I'd say that, as has been the case nearly every season since what seems, at this point, like the dawn of time, the big problem with this team is lack of goalscoring. The Rangers are 28th in the league in scoring at a measly 2.12 goals per game. Even if you take out that abysmal 8 games that started this season and count simply the 18 since, the Rangers are at 2.38, or what would be good for 23rd. Yes, perhaps more time with the talented (and overrated) Mr. Nash would improve that number, but how much? Once again, no matter how you slice it, the Rangers will be in the bottom half of the league in average goals per game. Good luck with all that.

a) When the best goalie of the generation is giving up a softy a game, who the **** cares? Lundqvist being great in seasons past have zero bearing on this season.

b) In a salary cap world Lundqvist's contract and future contract will hamper our ability to get goal scoring. So in a way yes he is the problem.
 
Uh, yeah, he was terrible.

Ok then.
I thought he was the best Rangers D defensively.
He laid out to prevent a 2 on 1. He played the body to lay out Bruin as he was ready to shoot. You may be thinking of the bounce? Even on that goal that bounced off him, he was in a good position defensively.
 
Trade for a goal scorer.

That talent is not in Hartford, and we can't draft it. It will not appear out of thin air.

Disappointing game. Disappointing that this far into the season none of our players are playing for a contract. No-one is going above and beyond.
 
Ul Samuelsson is the defensive coach, and I thing he has done a very good job, all things considered. This team is still a good defensive team, a very good one, at that, and that's with Girardi playing like crap, Hank being more mortal than he has been in quite some time, Staal still recovering from his injury, and having Justin Falk in the lineup. When the players execute, it works brilliantly, but when they don't execute, it's a mess. Staal was all over the place in this game, and not in a good way. Girardi was terrible. When half of your top-4 defense sucks, and your team is mediocre offensively, you're not going to win the game.

Except they still didn't allow all that many chances against. 1 goal was a fluke (though at some point it has to be a trend right?) and 1 goal was Hank being Hank (at least the Hank of this season). We lived in our zone, but that's more on the offense. The defense isn't the best in the league, but it's fine. It's the offense and goaltending.
 
Ok then.
I thought he was the best Rangers D defensively.
He laid out to prevent a 2 on 1. He played the body to lay out Bruin as he was ready to shoot. You may be thinking of the bounce? Even on that goal that bounced off him, he was in a good position defensively.

I thought McDonagh and Stralman were better. Moore was decent, too. The play he made on the two one one was quite nice, but I just thought he was running around in the D zone a bit, turning pucks over and losing races. He looks very slow out there, both in his skating and decision making.
 
Trade for a goal scorer.

That talent is not in Hartford, and we can't draft it. It will not appear out of thin air.

Disappointing game. Disappointing that this far into the season none of our players are playing for a contract. No-one is going above and beyond.

Maybe time to give Kristo and Lindberg a chance? We haven't seen these players since the preseason, and they're performing pretty well in Hartford. Not like we don't have the room.
 
Maybe time to give Kristo and Lindberg a chance? We haven't seen these players since the preseason, and they're performing pretty well in Hartford. Not like we don't have the room.

I wouldn't be opposed to that. Something needs to be done.

Why hasn't MDZ been traded? I supported his first benching but now it is becoming comical. Either play him or trade him.
 
I wouldn't be opposed to that. Something needs to be done.

Why hasn't MDZ been traded? I supported his first benching but now it is becoming comical. Either play him or trade him.

Apparently McKenzie said "they're going over their options, but they're going to trade him".

Why not play him while they're doing so?
 
still don't see how the gwg was a soft goal. Give any player with a lethal shot that time and space and they will put that past any goalie. Just because there is no deflection or screen on the play does not automatically qualify it as 100% stoppable.
 
still don't see how the gwg was a soft goal. Give any player with a lethal shot that time and space and they will put that past any goalie. Just because there is no deflection or screen on the play does not automatically qualify it as 100% stoppable.

thank you
 

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