Confirmed with Link: Rangers Acquire Jacob Trouba for Neal Pionk and 20th Overall Pick - Part II

Levitate

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I'm not an expert on Trouba but from my impression of him versus McDonagh...

McDonagh was a better skater and better with the puck. Trouba has a bit more snarl, better in puck battles and in front of the net (something I feel McDonagh has always struggled with). McDonagh probably controlled the play more when he was at his peak than Trouba will.

I think what we hope we're getting with Trouba is a guy who can match up physically on defense against anyone and take the puck away, start a transition. Not necessarily have to be the guy transitioning the puck all the time, but be that catalyst of "get puck, go the other way". Offensively he can step up on the play, distribute the puck well, etc.

We'll see how it goes
 

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Bingo!. It's really not even close either as to who was the greatest Ranger to wear the #8.
I'm admittedly am a bit biased seeing Vickers was my favorite Ranger when he came up as a rookie back in 1973. For those of you young turks who never saw Vickers play...tho not as big as him...think Corey Perry when Perry was good 8-10 years ago. That was Vickers. Besides being a terrific skilled player, my boy could fight too.
Vickers also had a well earned reputation back than to not **** with him and so guys like Dave Schultz, Terry O'Reilly, Don Saleski and any of the other bad asses from back in the day would all back off and not mess with Vickers.
He was a hell of a player and a hell of a Ranger and Vickers should be given some consideration to get his # put up in the rafters....

i loved Vickers, i was in high school when he came up.
my first jersey was Vickers 8, i wish i knew where that went ...

But i also really liked Poddubny during his 2 years, and liked Turcotte, too

i have a white Liberty jersey with 8, and
Nevin, Vickers, Poddubny, Turcotte on the back.
Added Prust midway through his time w NYR.

Excited to add Trouba, and bring that back into more regular rotation
 

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I'm not an expert on Trouba but from my impression of him versus McDonagh...

McDonagh was a better skater and better with the puck. Trouba has a bit more snarl, better in puck battles and in front of the net (something I feel McDonagh has always struggled with). McDonagh probably controlled the play more when he was at his peak than Trouba will.

I think what we hope we're getting with Trouba is a guy who can match up physically on defense against anyone and take the puck away, start a transition. Not necessarily have to be the guy transitioning the puck all the time, but be that catalyst of "get puck, go the other way". Offensively he can step up on the play, distribute the puck well, etc.

We'll see how it goes

yeesh. not sure.

27 was bad with the puck.

his pp work at the top wasnt good. his puck handling was so-so but his unique ability to get the shot off directly into the defenders shin pad was top notch.
 

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i loved Vickers, i was in high school when he came up.
my first jersey was Vickers 8, i wish i knew where that went ...

But i also really liked Poddubny during his 2 years, and liked Turcotte, too

i have a white Liberty jersey with 8, and
Nevin, Vickers, Poddubny, Turcotte on the back.
Added Prust midway through his time w NYR.

Excited to add Trouba, and bring that back into more regular rotation

Funny but my first Ranger jersey I ever had was also a Steve Vickers #8 jersey. Back in the Sheepshead Bay section of Brooklyn where I was born and raised, I joined the Kings Bay roller hockey league back when I was a little kid and I had to wear #8 in honor of my idol. I wore that # the rest of my athletic career in any sport I played. Weird how a player can influence you like that but Vickers did it for me.

As far as Poddubny, I liked him as well back in the day. For those two years he was with us, he put up monster #'s as he was well over a point a game but back than in the late 80's everyone was scoring tons as it was like the wild wild west back than.

Problem for Poddubny was these were those post Smurfs..pre-early 90's revival Ranger teams and they really weren't very good as they would make the playoffs as everyone seemingly did but they'd win 35 games a year and were never really a serious Cup contender.

These were the Kelly Kisio,Tomas Sandstrom,James Patrick,Brian Mullen,Ulf Dahlen, John Ogrodnick, Beezer in the nets Ranger teams and though they'd tease you as there was some talent, the team for most part stunk and a Podbdubny never got his just due.

But yeah Podubs was solid. He died really young as well if I recall before he hit his 50's.
 
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yeesh. not sure.

27 was bad with the puck.

his pp work at the top wasnt good. his puck handling was so-so but his unique ability to get the shot off directly into the defenders shin pad was top notch.

This is pretty false. McDonagh was very good with the puck in his own zone, neutral zone, and walking the blueline. He was let down by not having particularly good offensive instincts in the offensive zone so while he was adept at corralling the puck and moving with it, making space, he wasn't great at doing a lot with that.
He shouldn't have been running a PP because of that but often times the Rangers had no one else who could be trusted to handle the puck up near the blueline

As for Trouba "starting at $8 mill" I don't think Kypreos has much of a clue what goes on with the Rangers and if he's getting info from Trouba's agent then you always take it with a huge grain of salt
 

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I could see 30-40, which is why I said I would be happy with the higher end of that.

I agree that I'm not quite sure some of the other attributes are there to push him into that next tier/level offensively, but I also agree that he can be tremendously valuable.

Are you kidding Edge, we should all be ecstatic if Lemieux could even sniff the upper level of the #'s you are thinking out loud about seeing that occurs, this team is well on it's way to being special.

I just don't see the skill level to get there which is fine. As you mentioned in an earlier post and I totally agree with, he's not here to score goals...we have plenty of guys to do that. He's the one sand paper disturber type that the team has. He's our "Tom Wilson" and every team needs one. To be honest I kind of wish we had another player like him to put in the lineup every once in a while as well to add some grit to all of this skill we got.

Hey Gorts, I know you come to our board, do me a solid find out what it will cost to bring in Roussel...hmmm....lol
 

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Haha no worries, I've misread a hundred things on here as well when i read too fast :laugh:
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This is pretty false. McDonagh was very good with the puck in his own zone, neutral zone, and walking the blueline. He was let down by not having particularly good offensive instincts in the offensive zone so while he was adept at corralling the puck and moving with it, making space, he wasn't great at doing a lot with that.
He shouldn't have been running a PP because of that but often times the Rangers had no one else who could be trusted to handle the puck up near the blueline

As for Trouba "starting at $8 mill" I don't think Kypreos has much of a clue what goes on with the Rangers and if he's getting info from Trouba's agent then you always take it with a huge grain of salt

well just disagree.

never liked 27's hands at all. his shot was below average and his intuitiveness when he had the puck was always suspect. he was a warrior and defensively, he was top notch in all zones. he skated well and always looked in control. offensively, he just wasnt great.

as for trouba contract, hes gonna make bank.

he was acquired knowing that. both sides will need to move but hes gonna get paid big time.
 
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well just disagree.

never liked 27's hands at all. his shot was below average and his intuitiveness when he had the puck was always suspect. he was a warrior and defensively, he was top notch in all zones. he skated well and always looked in control. offensively, he just wasnt great.

as for trouba contract, hes gonna make bank.

he was acquired knowing that. both sides will need to move but hes gonna get paid big time.

I mean, I agree with you that his shot was below average and his intuitiveness with the puck was suspect (at least in the offensive zone) but my contention is that he had good hands with the puck in other areas of the ice. Not dangling everyone hands, but he used his mobility and puck control very effectively. For example, you see lots of D try to skate a puck out and get caught from behind and pick pocketed even when they have a step on a player because of where they are able to control the puck and whether they can keep it moving forward and under control. McDonagh could skate the puck away from opposing players and keep it out in front of him, moving forward, and under control while someone was trying desperately to lift his stick, slow him down, do whatever.
He wasn't a dangler, he just had good puck control and was comfortable with it and using his mobility

edit: and this relates to Trouba in that I'm not sure we'll see Trouba trying to utilize that same kind of puck control, but I'm not completely sure. Troube may have better offensive zone instincts than McDonagh but we'll see how much of his 50 points and 42 assists last year were due to playing with some high powered offensive guys and benefiting.
 

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Based on Trouba's comments post-trade, I really don't think his greedy reputation is deserved.

It sounds like he genuinely just wants to be somewhere that will give both him and his spouse the opportunity to be successful.

Not saying that he will take a discount, but I'd be surprised if he comes here looking for something out to lunch like 10.5M or if contract negotiations turn out to be a sticking point as they were scapegoated to of been in Winnipeg.

The guy seems to just want to be able to set up an idyllic and stable life for his family. Let's facilitate that.
 

Levitate

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Based on Trouba's comments post-trade, I really don't think his greedy reputation is deserved.

It sounds like he genuinely just wants to be somewhere that will give both him and his spouse the opportunity to be successful.

Not saying that he will take a discount, but I'd be surprised if he comes here looking for something out to lunch like 10.5M or if contract negotiations turn out to be a sticking point as they were scapegoated to of been in Winnipeg.

The guy seems to just want to be able to set up an idyllic and stable life for his family. Let's facilitate that.

I kind of agree. Doesn't mean that he and his agent won't push for a big contract and all but it does seem a little bit less about finding the place that will pay him the most and more about finding the right place for his future family
 

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Are you kidding Edge, we should all be ecstatic if Lemieux could even sniff the upper level of the #'s you are thinking out loud about seeing that occurs, this team is well on it's way to being special.

I just don't see the skill level to get there which is fine. As you mentioned in an earlier post and I totally agree with, he's not here to score goals...we have plenty of guys to do that. He's the one sand paper disturber type that the team has. He's our "Tom Wilson" and every team needs one. To be honest I kind of wish we had another player like him to put in the lineup every once in a while as well to add some grit to all of this skill we got.

Hey Gorts, I know you come to our board, do me a solid find out what it will cost to bring in Roussel...hmmm....lol

Tom Wilson has done a lot of stupid things but he is way more talented offensively than Lemieux and way tougher than Lemieux.

Lemieux is more like Avery, Linesman, and all the other pests that have played the game.
 

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Tom Wilson has done a lot of stupid things but he is way more talented offensively than Lemieux and way tougher than Lemieux.

Lemieux is more like Avery, Linesman, and all the other pests that have played the game.
Tom Wilson was a 20-point player until he was placed with a couple stars. I'm not sure how much disparity there is offensively between the two.

Toughness is totally subjective. Wilson is the more physical player for sure.
 

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8 per? His market value is around probably around 7.5-8 depending on the term. I think if they could get him for 6 or 7 years they would prefer that but it will cost more. If he wants 8 that takes him to 33, which isn't terrible for a defenseman but its when we saw Girardi's game take a dip (he was definitely beat up and overused for more than half his career here though).

Considering he's only 25 I think you take that 8th year risk going away. I believe he's got another level in him, as does Skjei. If they can get him under 8 for 7 years ill be happy. If they need to go above 8 for 8 its gonna be a tough negotiation because but ultimately I think they get a fair deal done that works for both sides.
 

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Based on Trouba's comments post-trade, I really don't think his greedy reputation is deserved.

It sounds like he genuinely just wants to be somewhere that will give both him and his spouse the opportunity to be successful.

Not saying that he will take a discount, but I'd be surprised if he comes here looking for something out to lunch like 10.5M or if contract negotiations turn out to be a sticking point as they were scapegoated to of been in Winnipeg.

The guy seems to just want to be able to set up an idyllic and stable life for his family. Let's facilitate that.

I agree with most of this but I do think he will come out looking for something like the 10.5 you mentioned. I just think he will settle for closer to 8.5 or 9 which is a bit rich for my blood, even with the new TV deal and cap set to rise pretty steadily moving forward, but that's the price for a young guy who can be our cornerstone RD for many years to come with our cupboard being completely devoid of someone with his particular skill-set. We have a lot of promising young D prospects, but nothing like him. He would fit in very nicely with whoever develops out of current crop (or what's left of it post draft/trades) and for that we will have to pay. Of course the main boards will ridicule anything north of 8 and express elation at us signing the contract while being ecstatic they didn't, but he's a real need for us and we won't get many chances, if any, to land a guy his age with his skill set and potential. He fits into this nicely.

I also believe it's more about the lifestyle, location, and genuinely his wife's career and her own desires to live elsewhere. She studied in Australia and Florida I believe? Obviously NYC doesn't provide THAT atmosphere but it's clear they both care about where they live and NYC is NYC, it will always attract a lot of people and provides ample opportunities. Someone else touched on it, I forget who and too lazy to go see, but they were spot on. The amount of connections and opportunities for players' wives/gfs/close family is HUGE in NYC. That I know for a fact. It's not openly discussed and it's never any part of a deal or anything, but they all know it and it's made pretty clear. You play for Dolan, you play at MSG, you are set for everything. His wife will get a gig at the top hospital of her choice and the chance to be mentored by some of the best in the world depending on her field. Real estate, restaurants, shopping, travel in the Summer months etc etc. They get all of that and so much more, all while being appreciated when we're doing well but not overwhelmed by media or fans like in Toronto or Montreal for example, and can be largely ignored when we're not competing allowing for one of the best lifestyles possible for most players. There's a reason so many come to us when other fantastic cities exist close by.

He will want his money though. He knows what he would be for us and our need for him. NYC is expensive. Obviously he's not poor and never will be, but he won't leave millions on the table. So that's the only concern I have. He has some leverage knowing both NJ and NYI would offer a very similar lifestyle in the same location (maybe less overall perks and such, but still) and may be willing to pay more. He loses nothing by finding that out as a UFA. The ball is really in his court. I don't think he so much chose the Rangers as he chose NYC as one of his top destinations. He's here now. It's on us to get him to sign with us and he knows it. As much as every player wants to win and would love to win the cup, it's more important to some than others. He seems to care more about location and lifestyle, at least for now. He definitely has the opportunity to be our top RD on a rebuilding team that can be real good fairly quickly, and that may end up mattering more to him than it currently does, but for now it really just seems to be getting out of Winnipeg and landing somewhere that better fits them, which he just did.
 

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What I like most about JG's moves so far this summer is that he didn't fall into the same trap that the Leafs did by neglecting defense.



Nah.

Gorton said that this move made sense for the team because he fits the timeline. Yes they're probably not going to bottom out next year, but they're far from being a legitimate playoff team, thats going to take some time/development. Just because you don't bottom out doesn't mean that you're rebuilding. If anything, this move and the Fox trade pretty much signal the end of Phase 1 of this rebuild.

Onto phase 2.

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25 year old possible franchise defensemen with Winnipeg's pick and Pionk as the swap?

The window is opening, and it looks bright.
 

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Tom Wilson has done a lot of stupid things but he is way more talented offensively than Lemieux and way tougher than Lemieux.

Lemieux is more like Avery, Linesman, and all the other pests that have played the game.

My point really wasn't that Lemieux is exactly Wilson, it was more that what Lemieux brings to the table for the Rangers is pretty similar to what Wilson does for the Caps.

I know whenever I see Wilson on the ice for the Caps, I'm always noticing where he is and what he's up too. If me as a fan is doing that, you just know the opposition is doing the same thing. Lemieux in his short time with us, gave me a similar vibe as I noticed he was very noticeable pretty much every shift out there hitting pretty much everything that moved and he had the opposition getting pissed off at him often.

He's exactly what we need he's on the ice for us as a most likey 3rd line guy which IMO is the perfect spot for him. Now whether or not he's as talented as Wilson, I don't think he is either but I could care less about that than the grit he supplies. Keep in mind as @NY2k2 astutely stated,, it wasn't until Wilson started to play with Ovie and Kuznetsov on a regular basis that his offensive game started to emerge. Heck I could play with those two and pot a few goals as well.

Bottom line Lemieux to me does for us what Wilson does for the Caps and tho Wilson may not seem bright and he's a bit of loose cannon, I'd take him on my team any day even if he scored 15-20 points a year. I feel the same way about Lemieux.
 

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