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GDT: Rangers 2019 Training Camp Thread: Part II

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Fitzy said:
It took Hertl a long time to hit his full potential, as a Lw/c no reason Chytils shouldn't get the same patience. 40 points would be great from him this year.
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That's generous. Even 30 to 35 points would be a huge boon to this team.
 
Chytil had 23 points last season in 75 games. A bump to just 30 points would be disappointing if we're hoping he'll be a 2nd line player. He's still young but he needs to show progression. I'd be happy with 40 points if he really establishes himself in the process and shows that he has some more to give in the coming years.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
That's generous. Even 30 to 35 points would be a huge boon to this team.
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Chytil's dilemma on whether he is a forward or center, doesn't rely much on his point production. He has offensive skills that will be evident no matter where he plays. It is whether he can be effective defensively up the middle. I'm sure management would be willing to look less at his point production, if he was solid in defending at center. And besides most quality chances comes off good defensive efforts. Our centers and to a lesser extent forwards, will need to show improved defensive responsibility.

We are solid between the pipes and we improved our blueline. The only question left in our ability to defend,.. is our front line being responsible. And the center is more responsible than the wings.
 
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jas said:
If Chytil can’t put up 45-50 points playing between Kreider and Kakko, it will confirm my doubts about him being a 2C at the NHL level.
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I think closer to 40 is reasonable considering he might not get that much time on the PP and other factors such as shooting luck. As to whether or not it will determine if he can play Center or not depends on other factors such as is he driving play, can he establish himself as sufficient on the defensive side of the puck, moreso than his raw point totals.
 
DanielBrassard said:
That would be a bit disappointing unless he's getting no PP time, and even then if he's the 2C with Kreider/Kakko he should be able to put up more offense than that.
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Just trying to temper expectations here. Ryan Strome, whom was the defacto #2 center for large stretches last season managed 35 points with power play time.

Its reasonable to assume that Kakko or Buchnevich on the 2nd line with Kreider should improve offensive output in a vacuum. But in practice? Remains to be seen.

Let's just say that I'd be surprised if a 20 going on 21 year old center manages to double his points output in one year on a upswinging, but still rebuilding, young team.
 
ohbaby said:
Chytil's dilemma on whether he is a forward or center, doesn't rely much on his point production. He has offensive skills that will be evident no matter where he plays. It is whether he can be effective defensively up the middle. I'm sure management would be willing to look less at his point production, if he was solid in defending at center. And besides most quality chances comes off good defensive efforts. Our centers and to a lesser extent forwards, will need to show some improved defensive responsibilities.
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Agree with all of this, very similar to what I was going to say. I would be fine with 35-40 points as long as he has a positive impact defensively and can improve his faceoff percentage.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
Just trying to temper expectations here. Ryan Strome, whom was the defacto #2 center for large stretches last season managed 35 points with power play time.

Its reasonable to assume that Kakko or Buchnevich on the 2nd line with Kreider should improve offensive output in a vacuum. But in practice? Remains to be seen.

Let's just say that I'd be surprised if a 20 going on 21 year old center manages to double his points output in one year on a upswinging, but still rebuilding, young team.
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Strome didn't play much 2C until after the trade deadline, and when he did it certainly wasn't with the caliber of player that Chytil could play with over an extended period of time. In fact with our top 3 wingers for most of last season he played 35 minutes with Buchnevich and Zucc, and 70 minutes with Kreider. And I think as a fanbase we should hope that Chytil does better than Strome because Strome sucks. I'm not saying the expectations should be astronomical but I think it's fair to project more than 30-35 points.
 
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Strome didn't play much 2C until after the trade deadline, and when he did it certainly wasn't with the caliber of player that Chytil could play with over an extended period of time. In fact with our top 3 wingers for most of last season he played 35 minutes with Buchnevich and Zucc, and 70 minutes with Kreider. And I think as a fanbase we should hope that Chytil does better than Strome because Strome sucks. I'm not saying the expectations should be astronomical but I think it's fair to project more than 30-35 points.
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I disagree with all the talk here that "Strome sucks". He is very valuable to us. He gives us an option while our kids grow. And he is only 26 himself. Room for improvement. He scored 50 pts in his 2nd season, and with the upgrade we made on the wings, his output could increase over last year, which wasn't that bad. He had a career high in goals. He gives us a lot of flexibility and that will be of value this season.
 
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Fitzy said:
Yeah someone with connections (Don't remember who, maybe ecos or bobbop) was saying he'd fallen out of favor in the org. and they might trade him.

Still, he's here, and centering an offensive line tonight. So it's far from over.
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Is this true? I don't remember this at all.


I remember speculation that if he struggled again this year they could look to swap him for another struggling high profile prospect a la the Nylander/Jokiharju type trade or something like that but I don't remember it being mentioned that he'd fallen out of favor and might be on the block.
 
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Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Is this true? I don't remember this at all.


I remember speculation that if he struggle again this year they could look to swap him for another struggling high profile prospect a la the Nylander/Jokiharju type trade or something like that but I don't remember it being mentioned that he'd fallen out of favor might be on the block.
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He's fighting for a spot on this team. I wish him the best, but he is up against it. We are pretty set on the wings. And I don't think Strome's spot is in danger, so he is basically fighting for that last center position with Nieves and Howden.

He is gonna need a good game tonight.
 
Chytil could be a monster. I mean really he's built a lot like Jagr. Big ass--tree trunk legs--strong as f*** and he has a very fluid skating stride. He skates great. The stick and shooting and passing skills are top notch too. He has the potential to be an awesome player. He needs to use that size to protect the puck and make plays--use it to bump and grind and move opponents off the puck. He could learn some of this stuff watching Mika. He needs to get better defensively and get better at face-offs. He seems to get things naturally enough. He's got a toolbox to go with all the other stuff. If he can put up 40-45 points this year he's on his way to becoming a scoring center with size and skill. To me all the elements are there for him.....it's just a matter of him doing it.
 
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ohbaby said:
He's fighting for a spot on this team. I wish him the best, but he is up against it. We are pretty set on the wings. And I don't think Strome's spot is in danger, so he is basically fighting for that last center position with Nieves and Howden.

He is gonna need a good game tonight.
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I mean sure I agree with you, but that's not the point I'm addressing.

I'm asking about the idea that he's fallen out of favor inside the organization and might be on the trade block.
 
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eco's bones said:
Chytil could be a monster. I mean really he's built a lot like Jagr. Big ass--tree trunk legs--strong as **** and he has a very fluid skating stride. He skates great. The stick and shooting and passing skills are top notch too. He has the potential to be an awesome player. He needs to use that size to protect the puck and make plays--use it to bump and grind and move opponents off the puck. He could learn some of this stuff watching Mika. He needs to get better defensively and get better at face-offs. He seems to get things naturally enough. He's got a toolbox to go with all the other stuff. If he can put up 40-45 points this year he's on his way to becoming a scoring center with size and skill. To me all the elements are there for him.....it's just a matter of him doing it.
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I like what I saw in the gym also. But he has not shown he can protect the puck anywhere near like Jagr could. I think Kakko is way ahead of him in that aspect. I expected Kreids to be strong on the puck, but it is obvious he doesn't have the hands of Jagr or to a lesser extent Kakko. We shall see if Chytil could use his size and hands to protect the puck. So far he hasn't. But there are not many in this league that have this ability. Jagr and I have no doubt Kakko are exceptions. Peter Forsberg also comes to mind. He was really tough to knock off the puck.
 
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Glen Sathers Cigar said:
I mean sure I agree with you, but that's not the point I'm addressing.

I'm asking about the idea that he's fallen out of favor inside the organization and might be on the trade block.
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No, I understand. Was just adding that his spot being precarious, could probably fuel this speculation.
 
ohbaby said:
He's fighting for a spot on this team. I wish him the best, but he is up against it. We are pretty set on the wings. And I don't think Strome's spot is in danger, so he is basically fighting for that last center position with Nieves and Howden.

He is gonna need a good game tonight.
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None of our C slots after Mika are cemented. Any of Chytil, Strome, Andersson, Howden, Names could end up as the 2, 3, or to an extent 4 C opening night. Nieves and McKegg could be 4C as well.

Lias needs to have a decent game tonight, and basically make sure that "decent" is his "worst."

All that said, I don't think that being THE guy in Hartford for a spell is all that bad for him to start the season, should it come to that.
 
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Kendo said:
None of our C slots after Mika are cemented. Any of Chytil, Strome, Andersson, Howden, Names could end up as the 2, 3, or to an extent 4 C opening night. Nieves and McKegg could be 4C as well.

Lias needs to have a decent game tonight, and basically make sure that "decent" is his "worst."

All that said, I don't think that being THE guy in Hartford for a spell is all that bad for him to start the season, should it come to that.
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Being him and Howden don't have to clear waivers is a plus. Especially if Nieves continues to play well during camp/preseason. Of course Nieves is just one crushing hit from being lost.

They are giving Lias a good chance to succeed tonight, playing between Kreids and Kravtsov.
 
Hate comparing young players to All-World talents, but Chytil looks a lot more like Malkin than Jagr. His stride the positions he puts the puck when he dekes.. just something. If he is a homeless man's version of either of those two guys sign me up.
 
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BKGooner said:
Hate comparing young players to All-World talents, but Chytil looks a lot more like Malkin than Jagr. His stride the positions he puts the puck when he dekes.. just something. If he is a homeless man's version of either of those two guys sign me up.
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Kakko is the one who is reminiscent of Jagr.

Also they both have double initials (JJ and KK) and K comes right after J in the alphabet so Kaapo Kakko is the next Jagr confirmed.
 
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