Proposal: Rakell for Buchnevich?
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All jokes aside, if you look at Murray's tenure as GM, the Ducks haven't acquired a single young Russian player. It may be coincidental but he seems pretty set in a belief that young unproven players shouldn't have much leverage in contract negotiations.
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He did trade for Artyukhin though, and depending on if you consider him Russian he did hint towards having a strong liking for Galchenyuk heading into that draft. He does seem to avoid russian players for sure, but I highly doubt it's a deal breaker
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Gardner McKay
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Thats all fine and dandy but that wasn't how that particular poster made it sound.
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When you have management that prefers to play hardball with RFA's, has broadly hinted at season ticket holder events that they didn't want to pursue Russians, and currently has two RFA's who've threatened to play overseas, it's not xenophobia to not want to pursue the players who'd be most comfortable staying overseas in the main NHL rival.
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We haven't exactly had good luck with Russians in our past franchise history then their is the possibility of Buchnevich possibly being a flight risk if he isn't happy with us. Getting a 21 year old Russian prospect isn't something I am happy about if trading Rakell.
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Your username makes your comment more understandable. I know you probably really like Pavel but the Ducks are not adding when they're trading a just turned 23 year old who has size, speed, skill and has already scored 20 goals in a season. Why on earth would the ducks add to get a player who hasn't played one NHL game. It's not happening if anyone is adding it's the rangers. The ducks know what they got in Rakell. Just because Buchenevich has put up very good numbers in the KHL doesn't guarantee anything for him when it comes to the NHL. I know he's your best prospect but its not like he's a top 10 prospect in the world. Bottom line the ducks would be crazy to trade a 23 year old 20 goal scorer for a guy who's never played in the NHL. Why trade a know commodity for an unknown and then you have to add. Crazy.
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Just want a final established lineup that's all. And two unsigned RFA's certainly isn't worth while going into pre season tonight. Got fricken max Jones fresh out the draft taking on fourth line minutes.
I know jones is NHL ready, but cmon Murray this is just bad
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You're not going to see a "final established lineup" in the first exhibition game, regardless of who is or isn't signed.
i wouldnt be either. you would be much better off with pacioretty and a solid young prospect from the habs for rakall and fowler. you would free up about 2 million for lindholm.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Thats a terrible argument. I'm a fan of the team, not any one player. And I do think he's a top 10 prospect in the world. Statistically, he has the third highest PPG averages for a player at the 18-21 year old ages in the history of the KHL so far, behind Kuznetsov and Tarasenko, ahead of Panarin. If we are to project his NHL potential is somewhere between those two and Panarin, I would say that equals out to a player with way more value than Rakell, so if anything, those that don't know anything about the player are underrating him because most people probably don't pay much attention to the KHL.
Besides, please explain to me why the Rangers are in such need to trade for a 43 point winger who would probably play on our third line?
43 points would be tied for the Rangers' 3rd highest point total last year...
And Buchnevich is not a top 10 prospect IMO, and apparently the opinion of multiple HF polls, articles, scouts, etc.
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Kurt Cobain
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Dude you're biased just a tad and if he so amazing(I actually think he's a fantastic player) why would you trade him? He's also not a top 10 prospect, maybe top 20 and that's not an insult. As for your last question I'm not the one who made this thread. The bigger question is why would the Ducks trade a young proven nhl player for a very good prospect, when they're trying to win now?
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you sound like those leaf fans who thought kulemin was going to be a superstar because of some of his khl stats.
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Who was that Swedish defensman who set records in the SEL at like age 20 for points and then came to the NHL. Ended up never impressing and now he's out of the league. His name is on the tip of my tongue.
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David Rundblad that was his name! Worst part is he a was traded for Tarasenko. I've been around here long enough to never trust point totals in Europe as being a way of gauging NHL success. I still think Buchenevich ends up as a solid 50-60 point guy if he adapts well.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Thats misleading. We had two wingers with 43 points last season. Miller and Kreider. Zucc had more. Nash was injured. Nash has more than 43 every season he's healthy. Kreider needs to play with a RH center, and our two RH centers are Stepan and Ziba, LH center is Hayes the 3C, so Kreider would play in the Top 6 over Rakell, even before you discuss whether he's a better player than Rakell. I guess you could debate back and forth between Rakell and Miller, but given Rakell would be a new player on the team and Miller was top 6 last season, I think Miller has a bigger role.
And I don't really care if you think Buch is a top 10 prospect. I follow prospects, I think he is. He's no longer a prospect though. He's now an NHL player. That'll tell the story, not any prospect list, and he actually has been top 10 on prospect lists before.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
I'm biased because I'm a Rangers fan, has nothing to do with my username, which is what you mentioned. Even if I am biased, I can tell the difference when I'm biased and would believe what I'm saying if I wasn't biased. I believe what I'm saying here. My opinion wouldn't be any different if I was a fan of another team, and had the same knowledge about the player.
I didn't make the thread, I didn't say I'd make the trade. As for why the Ducks would make the trade, the player won't sign a contract. Do you see how many Rakell threads there are on the trade boards? Clearly there's something up with his contract situation. I don't know why they'd want to trade him, otherwise, but the contract situation is a good reason to trade him.
