Proposal: Rakell for Buchnevich?

[GAGLine]

How are people saying the Ducks would be the ones adding here? Rakell is proven while the other hasn't shown anything yet. Serious question here...I see decent khl numbers and that he wasn't drafted until the 3rd round. What am I missing here that makes him more valuable than Rackell?

Because Buchnevich on a cheap 3 year ELC is worth more to the Rangers than Rakell on whatever contract he is going to get. The Rangers have zero reason to make that deal so if Anaheim wants to make that deal (not saying they do), they would have to add to get the Rangers to bite.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Buch could be good but Rakell already is, no thanks.

 

[DJN21]

Don't ask for Ducks players.

Good thread OP, value is similar if not weighted in the Ducks favor.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Don't ask for Ducks players.

Good thread OP, value is similar if not weighted in the Ducks favor.

There have been multiple good ideas that Ducks fans have agreed with this off season, because they actually fit the direction of the team.

We don't have enough scoring depth to justify moving a young player who has shown he can give us 20 goals, for one who has proven squat.

Sorry we laughed at Sabres fans for thinking they could land a good dman for a concussed pipsqueak but it's time to let it go.

 

[QJL]

Most Rangers fans won't be interested but I'm intrigued. We could use some NHL talent and a good right-hand shot. I think Buchnevich may have the bigger upside but Rakell seems like a safe top 6er. Probably would need a slight add from Anaheim, maybe a 3rd.

 

[duckpuck]

The only trade that would make sense for the ducks would be Buchnevich for a package centered around one of Anaheim's defensemen (Fowler or a similar prospect). Regardless of value, it makes no sense for the Ducks to trade one forward for another when they are short on forwards.

 

[WesMcCauley]

The only trade that would make sense for the ducks would be Buchnevich for a package centered around one of Anaheim's defensemen (Fowler or a similar prospect). Regardless of value, it makes no sense for the Ducks to trade one forward for another when they are short on forwards.

Buchnevich has 3 years on ELC. Rakell is up for possibly a longterm contract or a bridge. Anaheim is in cap trouble. Having 3 years of Buch might be a better option for them.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You should really go look at Tarasenko's and Kuny's numbers for the KHL becasue he is no where close to theres lol.

Not exactly true. Behind those two, but close.

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[Pavel Buchnevich]

Rangers don't need a "safe top 6 winger" anyway. We have plenty of forward depth, what we need to do is keep our high upside prospects, and stop trading them away.

Montour+ would be more fair, but I would rather trade Vesey than Buch.

Unless you want to gift wrap us a top 4 RHD who's young and has a good contract, we shouldn't be trading Buch.

 

[Boruto]

Well, if you look at it as Rakell being the better player so NYR would have to add, then it becomes completely unsavory for NYR to even think about it. They have a good NHL ready player whose committed to the team with a bit higher ceiling than Rakell that's on an ELC and under team control going forward. Top 6 NHL forwards at $925,000 is what keeps teams competitive and that's what the plan is for Buchnevich in the next 1-2 years. Rangers are retooling and Buchnevich fits the type of player they're stocking up and he's at the right age ready to contribute. Hagelin was traded away because they couldn't afford his RFA demands that summer. With the expansion draft coming up, you'd want as much cap and roster flexibility as possible. They're also dealing with their D situation figuring out how to move some money from Girardi or Staal and improve their defense. It's not a knock on Rakell who is a great player but there's just no motivation at all to do this for NYR. Buchnevich very well could be producing top six numbers by next season if he is on the PP. NYR would have to question why they would do this given Buchnevich's higher ceiling and his ELC cap if it were a one on one trade especially since it'll bring an RFA negotiation in the range of $4M the other way.

 

[Exit Dose]

Buchnevich has 3 years on ELC. Rakell is up for possibly a longterm contract or a bridge. Anaheim is in cap trouble. Having 3 years of Buch might be a better option for them.

No, we have 9 million in cap space.

 

[PAZ]

Gorton can hear the difference between theirs and theres over the phone?

This is gold

I can't believe no one else commented on this yet.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Well, if you look at it as Rakell being the better player so NYR would have to add, then it becomes completely unsavory for NYR to even think about it. They have a good NHL ready player whose committed to the team with a bit higher ceiling than Rakell that's on an ELC and under team control going forward. Top 6 NHL forwards at $925,000 is what keeps teams competitive and that's what the plan is for Buchnevich in the next 1-2 years. Rangers are retooling and Buchnevich fits the type of player they're stocking up and he's at the right age ready to contribute. Hagelin was traded away because they couldn't afford his RFA demands that summer. With the expansion draft coming up, you'd want as much cap and roster flexibility as possible. They're also dealing with their D situation figuring out how to move some money from Girardi or Staal and improve their defense. It's not a knock on Rakell who is a great player but there's just no motivation at all to do this for NYR. Buchnevich very well could be producing top six numbers by next season if he is on the PP. NYR would have to question why they would do this given Buchnevich's higher ceiling and his ELC cap if it were a one on one trade especially since it'll bring an RFA negotiation in the range of $4M the other way.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for the Rangers to prefer keeping the cheaper option. They have a ton of forward depth and are free to let his play dictate his ascent up their depth chart.

The Ducks need Rakell to score 20+ goals this season, we don't have the luxury of hoping Buchnevich becomes as good or better in the next year or two. Even if his upside is greater, it's not the point where it negates the fact that the Ducks are in no position to trade a top six forward for someone who may or may not be on that level this season.

I don't see either GM calling the other to start this conversation.

 

[Ducksgo*]

No, we have 9 million in cap space.

With two players not signed. So yes his point is valid Exid Dose. That is trouble

 

[WesMcCauley]

No, we have 9 million in cap space.

General fanager says 7,5, dont know if thats reliable or not...

 

[duckpuck]

General fanager says 7,5, dont know if thats reliable or not...

Nate Thompson will go on LTIR which will add $1.6M to that number.

 

[Exit Dose]

With two players not signed. So yes his point is valid Exid Dose. That is trouble

No it isn't. That's more than enough to sign both of them.

 

[Ducksgo*]

No it isn't. That's more than enough to sign both of them.

If it was they both would be signed already cmon man. Let's be realistic here regarding this scenario

 

[Exit Dose]

If it was they both would be signed already cmon man. Let's be realistic here regarding this scenario

That is just dumb. There's more to a negotiation than having enough money. Management thinks a player is worth X. The player thinks they are worth Y. Till X and Y meet, there is no deal to be had.

 

[Ducksgo*]

That is just dumb. There's more to a negotiation than having enough money. Management thinks a player is worth X. The player thinks they are worth Y. Till X and Y meet, there is no deal to be had.

Money talks and Lindholm wants it. He told publicly, that the ducks are cheap. If you want to believe that we get both players on sweetheart deals that's your own business. I'm trying to beat Coyotes tomorrow in pre season that's how late we are on both contracts.

 

[Exit Dose]

Money talks and Lindholm wants it. He told publicly, that the ducks are cheap. If you want to believe that we get both players on sweetheart deals that's your own business. I'm trying to beat Coyotes tomorrow in pre season that's how late we are on both contracts.

We don't have to sign them to sweetheart deals. The comparable contracts for those two are not that high.

Pre-season hockey doesn't matter. No one on the team cares if we win those games. They mean nothing.

 

[GAGLine]

Nate Thompson will go on LTIR which will add $1.6M to that number.

Putting Nate Thompson on LTIR won't free up cap space. It will only allow Anaheim to exceed the cap if they are within 1.6 mil of the ceiling at the time they place him on LTIR. Regardless, it isn't an ideal scenario since Anaheim is a budget team.

Furthermore, with Thompson on LTIR, that leaves Anaheim with 11 healthy forwards (once Rakell signs), so they'll need to bring someone else up to fill that spot in his absence, which will take up more cap space.

How long is Thompson out for? Glass for Thompson + a 5th would make some sense IMO. Glass has a 1.45 mil cap hit compared to Thompson's 1.6. Not much savings in terms of the cap, but Glass will make 700k less, which is a significant amount to a budget team.

 

[Exit Dose]

Thompson is out until March at least. The difference is he's actually worth having on the team when he gets back, more than enough to justify a few hundred thousand dollars in pay.

 

[Raspewtin]

value aside why do the Rangers do this ?

 

[dracom]

Putting Nate Thompson on LTIR won't free up cap space. It will only allow Anaheim to exceed the cap if they are within 1.6 mil of the ceiling at the time they place him on LTIR. Regardless, it isn't an ideal scenario since Anaheim is a budget team.

Furthermore, with Thompson on LTIR, that leaves Anaheim with 11 healthy forwards (once Rakell signs), so they'll need to bring someone else up to fill that spot in his absence, which will take up more cap space.

How long is Thompson out for? Glass for Thompson + a 5th would make some sense IMO. Glass has a 1.45 mil cap hit compared to Thompson's 1.6. Not much savings in terms of the cap, but Glass will make 700k less, which is a significant amount to a budget team.

Thompson is out for like 5-6 months. Also, Thompson is actually a good hockey player unlike Glass. No one is going to take Glass from you. 700k saving for a player who will actively make our team worse? No thanks.