OT: Raise the Jolly Roger: New season of plundering begins

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ROY voting shouldn't include guys who played in other professional leagues or are over 25 or so.

I think the NHL changed their criteria when Warren Young played on 66's line.

I agree with this completely, which is an argument I'd use against those who vote for Moto/Imanaga.

Either way, it's going to take Skenes throwing up these numbers the rest of the way, and getting enough wins to counter those 2.

I don't think he's invincible. He's still 22, and barely wet in this game. Even his stuff, when it misses, can get clobbered.

The biggest positive I see beyond the raw stuff, is his command. He may get hit around at times, but he (and Jones, less so recently) walks so few hitters for a power arm.

I want to see him stop wasting pitches out of the zone though. All young guys do this going for K's. It's less about punching more guys out and more being efficient so you can get to that 7th and 8th inning.

Those sliders and other breaking pitches need to start in the zone and land either on the edge or just off it. They can't start on the edges and end up 2 feet wide/high/low. At this level, most guys aren't swinging consistently at that.

Also, more eye level changes. Move up and down a lot. When you have 3+ pitches that are plus, it's already a guessing game for the hitter. Don't tunnel an approach w/ location.
 
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I also think Jones is going to get shut down at some point and it will take him firmly out of the running for ROY.

I can definitely see the point about Skenes being so hyped up that the hype pushes him into the discussion. I think my thoughts with that would be that would completely eliminate Jones, though. I think Skenes would be overshadowing him entirely.

Without any injuries or anything unexpected, my bet would be Skenes finishes 3rd or 4th while Jones is overshadowed by him.
 

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And that's why you can't fumble the chance of winning a game when you bust out to a 7-0 lead.

Lots of game left, but a relief to have the series win in the back pocket and hope that Falter can at least eat 5+ in this one.
 

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Falter has actually settled in now, which is important in the grand scheme of things because it seems like we're going to do a bullpen game Saturday with Priester down.

Buehler is someone who has given up runs in every start. Big opportunity here to at least cut the lead to 2. Need something to the OF.
 

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Nick Gonzales being good is so hilarious because each and every one of us was adamant that he was a total bust. Apologies if I am painting with too broad of a brush, but the only difference was who was loudest and most extreme about it (I had to have been among the worst, i.e., most totally wrong).
 
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It's too early to tell either way IMO. We know for certain that a May callup (in Skenes' case) is not too early when the field is open enough. Imanaga looked poised to cement himself as the favorite, and I think by betting odds he has emerged as the clear favorite, but he's had some rocky starts lately.

For now, I think it's worth seeing a few more starts from Skenes and then how he looks once he has 6 or 7 under his belt and some clear film that teams can game plan for even more.

There's so much summer left and I think in many other years, if you tried to go back in time to the first week of June and look at the season up to that point, you wouldn't really be able to predict who would definitely win it.
Latest odds, fwiw

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Nick Gonzales being good is so hilarious because each and every one of us was adamant that he was a total bust. Apologies if I am painting with too broad of a brush, but the only difference was who was loudest and most extreme about it (I had to have been among the worst, i.e., most totally wrong).
Yeah, I definitely thought Liover Peguero was the best of the bunch of mediocre middle infielders we had last year.
 

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Damn, the Dodgers pitcher went to Wheeling Park? One of the few to make it out of that area
 

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Proud of the offense for giving this game an honest shot.

Falter was due to Falter a few more times and the front end of this bullpen is atrocious. Ortiz would have needed to pitch 4-5 innings at least. Maybe he should have.
 
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Frustrating turn of events, but still the kind of weird game you can shrug off with the series W already secured. I'm one of the lone Shelton excusers left, but I honestly would have just let Falter keep going in that inning given the bullpen situation. Easy to say that after what happened, but I'd take my chances against the batters after Hernandez.

Regardless, it looks like the Dodgers' bats have fully heated up, so we should count our blessings that they are headed out of town after the game.

Keller up tomorrow.
 
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Nick Gonzales being good is so hilarious because each and every one of us was adamant that he was a total bust. Apologies if I am painting with too broad of a brush, but the only difference was who was loudest and most extreme about it (I had to have been among the worst, i.e., most totally wrong).
"each and every one of us"????
methinks not
 
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For a brief palate cleanser into some way too early draft talk, Callis has an early mock out and has us taking Wetherholt. He crafts a scenario where both Kurtz and Wetherholt are there, which isn't as wild as it initially sounds. It seems like Rainer has some genuine top-10 or higher momentum, and although it's a deep college class, I think it makes sense that someone takes a prep bat at some point before us (I have not done much reading but I have seen people say he has the highest ceiling).

In any case, the most interesting and encouraging tidbit I saw from Callis is that Montgomery, Wetherholt, and Kurtz are higher for us than Rainer and Griffin, another high prep bat. I think that has to be the approach. Take the college bat that happens to be there for us and go from there. If Burns or Smith ends up being there, that's maybe a tough decision given the potential upside of both of them, but I think if you like one of these college bats enough, that has to be your move. It's rosy thinking to say something like this, but if you could add a solid everyday bat or a #3 starter, even given how valuable pitching is and how much you need, I think you have to opt for the bat on a team that has the trio we currently have all healthy.
 

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Take 2/3 from the Twins. The team is in a good spot right now - Cruz homered, Olivares is hitting both sides, Gonzales is still good, and Suwinski looks like he is finding it. Not to mention Hayes.

Davis is a huge downgrade from Joey Bart but it is what it is.
I have no idea what the plan is at pitcher on Saturday. Based on the fact that he didn't pitch today I have to believe that Ortiz going 4+ innings is the main thing.
 

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Take 2/3 from the Twins. The team is in a good spot right now - Cruz homered, Olivares is hitting both sides, Gonzales is still good, and Suwinski looks like he is finding it. Not to mention Hayes.

Davis is a huge downgrade from Joey Bart but it is what it is.
I have no idea what the plan is at pitcher on Saturday. Based on the fact that he didn't pitch today I have to believe that Ortiz going 4+ innings is the main thing.
When is Bart due back?
 

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"each and every one of us"????
methinks not
Fair enough, I don't mean to paint everyone with the same brush but most everyone seemed to have totally given up on him. Still just a month in, so we'll see how the league punches back, but it's a far cry from the swing and miss problems he's bad.

Take 2/3 from the Twins. The team is in a good spot right now - Cruz homered, Olivares is hitting both sides, Gonzales is still good, and Suwinski looks like he is finding it. Not to mention Hayes.

Davis is a huge downgrade from Joey Bart but it is what it is.
I have no idea what the plan is at pitcher on Saturday. Based on the fact that he didn't pitch today I have to believe that Ortiz going 4+ innings is the main thing.
100%. The bats need to keep rolling and give some run support to the pitchers. The Twins are not in great form as they just got smacked around by the Yankees.

Keller and Jones pitching = 2 prime opportunities to win. It'd be easier to bank on this with a real starter going Saturday as well, but it's a prime opportunity to have a momentum-building home stand and then head out to winnable series in Colorado and St. Louis.
 
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