OT: Raise the Jolly Roger: New season of plundering begins

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And let's not just put this all on Haines. Shelton was a hitting coach as well. It's a double whammy of ineptitude and shit results.

Yelich was an MVP level player/hitter and Haines ruined him in Milwakuee.....Haines got canned and Yelich improved significantly.

These are minor league level (at best) coaches who have been given, seemingly, an unregulated/checked track to do whatever the f*** they want.
 

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Speaking of coaching.... i just read on Rum Bunter :

"General Manager Ben Cherington, Assistant General Manager Steve Sanders, and Manager Derek Shelton all spent time with Tellez in some capacity during their time in Toronto. All four were with the organization in 2017."

They're not gonna do anything with Tellez. Great.

 
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I think that guys performing better in AAA is a bit more coincidental and due to the ease of facing AAA pitchers after facing MLB pitchers, to be honest.

I don't say that to try and get the MLB staff off the hook, but the organizational philosophies are going to be the same. The developmental problem seems more like batters aren't able to adjust back once the league adjusts to them than it does that AAA coaches are doing something right. Davis had a clear book on him and absolutely couldn't hit a fastball to save his life. Suwinski had solid success last year and basically couldn't get any traction all year.
 

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I think that guys performing better in AAA is a bit more coincidental and due to the ease of facing AAA pitchers after facing MLB pitchers, to be honest.

I don't say that to try and get the MLB staff off the hook, but the organizational philosophies are going to be the same. The developmental problem seems more like batters aren't able to adjust back once the league adjusts to them than it does that AAA coaches are doing something right. Davis had a clear book on him and absolutely couldn't hit a fastball to save his life. Suwinski had solid success last year and basically couldn't get any traction all year.

I think this mostly to be accurate, however, the track record of guys doing significant damage in the minors, only to come up and look somewhere between meh and completely lost is a pretty damning look for our MLB coaches. And furthermore, as you mentioned, once the league adjusts, it seems like there is no plan on how to counter that from our end.

The biggest issue is that we've had nearly half a decade of losing with this current group and nothing changes. It's business as usual as if we're producing positive results.
 

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As opposed to Ross Stripling and Keaton Winn?

....yes?

Are you seriously going to try to argue that Davis isn't facing dramatically easier pitching matchups in AAA than the MLB?

I wasn't even commenting on the quality of AAA pitchers he was facing, although it seems like Straily and McWilliams are both awful. But it's not a even remotely a crazy suggestion that Davis is going to do better against these nobody AAA pitchers than actual MLB pitchers, even shitty MLB pitchers.
 

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Pirate/Dodger game from 1976 on instead. Al Michaels with the call. He sounded much different 50 years ago.

I can boo Steve Garvey all over again.
 

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....yes?

Are you seriously going to try to argue that Davis isn't facing dramatically easier pitching matchups in AAA than the MLB?

I wasn't even commenting on the quality of AAA pitchers he was facing, although it seems like Straily and McWilliams are both awful. But it's not an even remotely a crazy suggestion that Davis is going to do better against these nobody AAA pitchers than actual MLB pitchers, even shitty MLB pitchers.
I’m saying that Davis couldn’t hit shitty pitchers before he got sent down. Yes, there is a difference between AAA and MLB pitching, on average. But Davis was missing very hittable pitches at the major league level. Similarly to nick gonzales last year.

I’m not suggesting if a guy hits 320 in AAA it’s the same as hitting 320 in the majors. All I’m saying is it is not out of the realm of possibility that he went down to AAA, made some tweaks, and is back to hitting the baseball. And if he comes back and even hits 250 at the mlb level, that’s still a major improvement over striking out against fastballs down the middle against future AAA pitchers like Ross stripling.
 
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Yep, no hitter.

Game time: 1:50.

John Steigerwald sighting in the dugout.

Big, feathered hair.
 

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Jones/Skenes double header tomorrow :cool:
On paper it seems exciting every time. But 0-2 against the giants despite them pitching well. And the Tigers are putting Tarik Skubal on the mound. Laugh, then look at dude’s stats. Better than Jones and Skenes. I bet he throws a mean sku-ball. Who the hell are all these pitchers doing so well this year??
 

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Skubal Jones will be a good matchup

But it seems DET is now sitting Flaherty to instead make MLB debut with Montero. Who should also be high 90s fastball with a decent slider. AAA numbers aren't crazy impressive.

But should make for a good Montero Skenes matchup.

This is gonna be a fastball double header, and I'm expecting two wins...
 
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Skubal Jones will be a good matchup

But it seems DET is now sitting Flaherty to instead make MLB debut with Montero. Who should also be high 90s fastball with a decent slider. AAA numbers aren't crazy impressive.

But should make for a good Montero Skenes matchup.

This is gonna be a fastball double header, and I'm expecting two wins...

Godsend for them to sit Flaherty. Feel much better at getting 1/2 now.

Jones needs to have a 6IP, 1 run performance. I know he's awesome but 6IP 3runs isn't exactly a stellar performance.
 

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I guess I get that Skubal isn't a household name and doesn't have any standout career stats, but he was also one of the most popular Cy Young candidates among pundits. Re: the conversation that was happening a little while ago in the thread, I would expect Detroit to make a big investment in him as a cornerstone to exit their long rebuild. There's some logic to trading him, but elite pitchers are the hardest position to fill and it's not like they are afraid to spend money. Their rebuild would be in such better shape if Torkelson had not regressed this year and they never gave all that money to Baez, but I digress.

I think we did get a bit of luck with the doubleheader and missing Flaherty. Gonzales and Perez got us some half decent starts through 6 weeks of the season, but man it would be nice to have just signed Flaherty to a deal instead. Then we'd really be cooking, but that's a topic for another day.

Skubal is going to be really difficult, and a rookie pitcher often has the advantage if he can settle into a groove early on. I don't have extremely high hopes, but I'm also at the point where I think it doesn't matter much. We're a team that is about .500 and demonstrating the capability to crater below that with the slides and missed opportunities. The NL is even more competitive than expected this year, which generally favors us, but to truly make a run at anything, it's going to take 10-12 games over .500 play for the rest of the season.

That's a long way off and so not worth worrying about too much, but I think what it boils down to is that games don't have a ton of urgency to them until we are able to rattle off a winning streak or a chunk of extremely good games, like 10-2 etc. Otherwise it's just fluttering around .500 or so with some ups and downs. We had the kind of cushion in hand after the hot start, but we've long since blown it.
 
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