OT: Raise the Jolly Roger: Congrats to the Houston Cheaters on their win

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The Nationals are somehow even worse than the Pirates :laugh:

Marisnick laid down an excellent bunt, so they walked Vogelbach and then immediately threw a wild pitch
Yeah no Turner max and Strasbourg is hurt once they trade bell and Cruz it’s going to be worse.
I wonder when they trade Soto
 
Yeah no Turner max and Strasbourg is hurt once they trade bell and Cruz it’s going to be worse.
I wonder when they trade Soto
It will be sickening if/when Soto is a Dodger.

The Nats have nothing in their organization but I could also see them getting their financial bearings straight this year then ratcheting the payroll right back to $160M next year.

I'd be interested in buying Corbin's contract with the right pieces attached.
 
I spent the doldrums of this game watching Jones for Greensboro and Nicolas for Altoona, who were both as impressive as their stat lines suggest. Jones looks like he did in Bradenton last year -- the opposing hitters are completely overmatched against him. I'd give it a few more starts to be sure, but wouldn't be opposed to a very aggressive mid-season promotion to AA. The hitters just don't seem to be anywhere near him, and today was one of the sharpest days I've seen in terms of command out of him, even though he does miss his spots at times.

Nicolas was equally sharp, and really has the look of a starter more than a reliever to me. He looked very polished out there today, and was efficient without a lot of misses.

Honestly, Jones looks a lot like Burrows to me in terms of how impactful his stuff actually is, even if the command isn't always there. What sets Jones apart is how many pitches he has, whereas Burrows seems to still be dialing in the third pitch. I think all three are in the bucket of "could start, could end up as a high leverage reliever," which is not a bad situation to have with multiple guys. Mlodzinski looks like a pretty safe innings guy to me, and with Contreras, if one of these guys can emerge as an impact type arm, it's a good situation.

IMO we don't really have the depth to not be worried about injury attrition (even if a truism exists about pitching for a reason), but Nicolas was a really nice pickup on top of the group we do have. I still like both Flowers and Thomas as relief prospects, and De Los Santos and Melendez might be in the mix as competent depth. Probably a little bit too much overthinking here, but with the window getting closer, I'd like to see us take some college pitching early in the draft this year. I'm now firmly on #TeamHitter for the top pick (and it's pretty clear cut this year, it seems), but going for some additional arms in the comp pick and after makes some sense in terms of further bolstering the depth. It'd be really nice to get Johnson/Green in the first and then one of the FSU lefties in the comp round.
 
It will be sickening if/when Soto is a Dodger.

The Nats have nothing in their organization but I could also see them getting their financial bearings straight this year then ratcheting the payroll right back to $160M next year.

I'd be interested in buying Corbin's contract with the right pieces attached.
I don’t think so the owner exploring selling the team they have a ton of differed contracts. Robles they guy we wanted for Cutch doesn’t hit Corbin is Liarino teams don’t go fishing out of the zone he is useless. He still is on the books for 60 million the next 2 seasons after this and Stras has 4 more years at 35 million a year. No way does Cruz not pick up the mutual 18 million dollar option for 23.
 
Yeah, I've been wanting us to take a flier on big contract + prospect for a while, but it doesn't seem like the front office is at all interested. The Nats have somebody like Cavalli, but assuming they will pay Soto whatever it takes and do a quick rebuild, I imagine they'll just bite the bullet instead of trading from a fairly thin system. I don't really get what they have been doing. Soto + Turner is still a pretty good foundation when you can spend a bunch of money, and the early returns on the Turner trade do not look good.

The player who I think would have made sense as a contract purchase this year is Myers, but it might not have bought all that much. Hosmer would never happen because he can block going to some teams.

I actually get not wanting to do these kinds of moves for more reasons than simply being cheap. Not to pit them against each other since we could do both and then some, but I'd rather be paying Hayes the front-loaded deal than fishing for more prospects. In some sense the relevant question for us now is just development. We'll need to keep adding through the draft and eventually will make some trades, but the system is deep and needs to be converted into MLB talent.

If anything, I'd want to see us surprise and get in the mix to acquire Montas, and then pony up to extend him. He's dependable, shouldn't cost an enormous amount of prospect capital, and should be within the range of what we could afford financially in the next 3-4 years. I don't say this because I think the current team is doing anything more than playing over its head, but it would be a way to leverage the strength of our depth and continue clearly building for the immediate future.
 
I think stuff-wise, Jones is definitely the nastiest in the system without including Roansy. I am still not off Priester's bandwagon, but he has to rework the fastball and there's no way to consider him the best pitching prospect in the system.

My personal favorite is probably Burrows, but Jones just has all the pitches. If he can dial in consistent enough command, he'll be a front of the rotation guy.

Another thing I like about the profile of pitchers that we have is that even if not everyone can be a starter (which will obviously end up being true one way or another), the fallback of a lockdown multi-inning guy can also be pretty useful.
 
Jones stuff is just...

I don't remember a Pirates prospect having this electric of raw stuff since Glasnow.

IMO he has leapfrogged quite a few guys. I don't see how you watch a guy like that and don't move him up on your rankings.
I already had him in my Top-6. He was pretty electric in some games last season too. If he tightens up that control, and adds a League average 3rd pitch ....

1-Cruz
2-Davis
3-Endy
4-Priester
5-Gonzales
6-Jones
7-Contrares
8-Castro
9-Solometo
10-Burrows

I would by higher on Contreras if he had a larger frame. I have long-term injury concerns with him, but the talent is top 3 worthy IMO.

I'm also betting on Priester's intangibles to overcome his fastball issues. He will figure it out IMO.
 
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I don't think there's a lot of stakes in this, because I do think the team has played to its limit over this first set of games, but tonight's game seems to loom fairly large in terms of continuing to play decent baseball. We'll see if Thompson can keep things rolling in the right direction, as this matchup seems to be the only one that might favor us in the series. Lauer can be pretty decent, but he's much preferable to Burnes vs. Brubaker tomorrow or Woodruff vs. Keller on Wednesday.

In fact, I'm not sure it's totally crazy to assume that the season series vs. the Brewers might itself loom largest for the overall prognosis. They are clearly the better team, but they've started off slow, with their pitchers not being overwhelmingly dominant and the offense again being streaky. We'll face them six times in the next week and a half, and with the pitching matchups, that might be the groundwork for them to get back on track in the division and for us to sink into the hole everyone expects us to.

If we can hold our own on this road trip and get back to PNC next week in about the same position, then it's not hard to imagine us continuing to flirt with .500 for a little while. As we move forward, I do think it's going to be important for a few pitchers to at least be able to throw 5, because even with multiple bullpen guys who can go multiple innings, there's not going to be enough depth once the rosters shrink.

Brubaker and Keller are the two obvious red flags here, as there are serious reasons to doubt both going forward, but they do at least have the capability to hold their own. I think our ability to tread water probably depends in large part on Keller putting things together. The offense looks like it's capable of clawing some runs out relatively often, but the whole package still very much seems like something where the bottom can fall out on the team really quick, resulting in the 2-8 runs that this team will find it hard to recover from.

If we can get a couple of starters stepping up each time through the rotation, then there aren't really a lot of threatening stretches in the schedule until June, when we have 11 games in 11 days vs. the Braves, Cardinals, and Giants, with 8 of those games on the road (and 4 in Atlanta, which is one of our biggest house of horrors).


All told, my main hope for tonight is that Shelton doesn't f*** around with Castillo. He should be in the lineup vs. a lefty, especially since there are two dominant righties in the next two days. I could see him again excessively tweaking, and then Castillo gets rotated back in on Wednesday vs. Woodruff or whatever. Let him try to stay in a groove, and more importantly, keep his bat in there vs. the lefty to try and help us steal game one. This is what I hope we see tonight:

3B Hayes
CF Reynolds
1B/DH Chavis
DH/1B Yoshi/Vogel (I lean towards Yoshi but maybe Vogey makes more sense since he should know the Brewers)
2B Castillo
RF Gamel
C Perez
LF Marisnik
SS Newman
 
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I want to believe as well, but I think we are in for some trouble. One or two pitchers are going to need to step up if we steal this series, and I don't like the matchups enough that I'll be perfectly fine just avoiding the sweep.

Lauer's velocity has been up I think, and if I recall correctly, we've had issues with him before. Short of a miracle, it's hard to see how we win a Burnes vs. Brubaker matchup, and while Woodruff has had a rocky start to the year, we seem like the kind of team that can help him set his bearings.

The other x-factor might be Chavis, if he stays hot and goes yard. We hit a ton of HRs in the spring, but that's not super meaningful given park factors and weather. Still, it seems like the way to reliably beat the Brewers is to out slug them enough -- I'm thinking we need to grind out a 6-4 win or something to start the series, and then go from there.
 
I want to believe as well, but I think we are in for some trouble. One or two pitchers are going to need to step up if we steal this series, and I don't like the matchups enough that I'll be perfectly fine just avoiding the sweep.

Lauer's velocity has been up I think, and if I recall correctly, we've had issues with him before. Short of a miracle, it's hard to see how we win a Burnes vs. Brubaker matchup, and while Woodruff has had a rocky start to the year, we seem like the kind of team that can help him set his bearings.

The other x-factor might be Chavis, if he stays hot and goes yard. We hit a ton of HRs in the spring, but that's not super meaningful given park factors and weather. Still, it seems like the way to reliably beat the Brewers is to out slug them enough -- I'm thinking we need to grind out a 6-4 win or something to start the series, and then go from there.
To your point. If we get swept this is going to be an ugly season. Win 1-2 and maybe there is some optimism.
 
To your point. If we get swept this is going to be an ugly season. Win 1-2 and maybe there is some optimism.
It doesn’t matter if they get swept the Pirates will battle the cubs for 3rd place. This is probably the brewers last run because they have to pay their young pitchers and hader long term. I am so glad I took the over at 65 wins because our division is terrible the Mets and Atlanta are the only good teams in the East
 
I think 3-4-5 in our division might be a relative tossup, and gun to my head I'd probably say that I'm not fully convinced the Cardinals and Brewers are huge steps ahead of the other three. If one plays way over its head for a lot of the season, it could make things interesting in the division, though I'd be pretty surprised if the second place team mattered all that much in the wildcard race.

In the end, pitching usually ends up predominating over the long haul, so short of injuries, I think the Brewers are still the biggest threat. I also think Yelich might be on his way to a bounce back season. Maybe not to MVP level, and back injuries are always worrisome, but I think their team will come together.

I think we're pretty badly matched for the Brewers. The Cards series didn't go so badly IMO, but what happens with us is ultimately going to come down to pitching. If Keller does take the step forward, Quintana is pretty consistent 5+ in PNC Park, and something half decent emerges out of the other three spots such that the bullpen can play up, then I think we could actually be in the mix for 3rd. I'd take the under on that, and though my tendency has always been to be very skeptical of 100-loss proclamations, I don't think the true talent of this team is that much better than that.

I hope I'm wrong, and it's certainly been a pretty fun ride so far.
 


Hard to complain with this one. Despite the fact that we are/will continue to be thin in terms of good players, I don't really hate the conservative approach to player management in terms of regular rest, and so sitting Gamel vs. LHP in a stretch with no off days does make sense to me. Tucker hasn't really shown much of anything, but whatever. Keeping Castillo in is a W for me.
 
Ugly start, can't strand a leadoff double like that and now Milwaukee is setup. Only going down 1-0 would feel like a victory.
 
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