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It certainly didn't look like it vs. Rodon and in general I think he had a fine week other than the Sunday game. Ks remain an issue but BBs have started to tick up which is an important sign.

I think it's about consistency for him. I'm not sure if you are suggesting that he be sent back to AAA, but I think that would be catastrophic, as it would waste more ABs for him against pitching that is nowhere near the level he's currently facing. He needs to keep playing through the struggles. The pitching matchups this week will not be as rough, so I think he'll put together a solid few games.

All that said, I have very little confidence in the decision-making at this point, which adds even more skepticism for me that things can turn around. For my money, the front office has had fumbled the bag pretty badly with regard to Cruz and Contreras this season, and outside of Davis, these are clearly the young players who are most important to the immediate and long-term success of the team. Their decisions are driven by financial concerns and service time manipulation and not development, of which it's not even possible to say positive things about, especially on the hitting side. I don't think that bodes well for them suddenly reversing course this winter.

Sticking by "they wronged Cruz" so that's why he's struggling I see...

I have a much different perspective - he was never ready for MLB pitchers. I'll give him some more time, but AAA is not evil, but rather a necessity for many players.

He just started taking more walks, seeing more pitches that last month in AAA. He didn't have time to lock it in, and we've been seeing the results of rushing him to the Major Leagues ever since.
 
I'm pretty indifferent to Cruz's development this year. The best thing you could say is that he has retained his right tail outcomes and has probably knocked off some of his left tail outcomes. So altogether a pretty good result. But it's up to him far more than the team going forward IMO.

Altogether I'd say his time with the big league club has been neutral to positive.
 
"Ready" is a fanciful notion that lacks explanatory power. I am not making claims about whether or not AAA is "evil", nor am I making moralizing claims about the Pirates "wronging" Cruz. If we want to go that route, I'm prepared to go much further, because all baseball players have a raw deal with respect to who actually creates monetary value.

AAA pitching is not a meaningful challenge for a lot of hitters once they've reached a solid number of AA at-bats. This is especially true against LHP, who usually end up in the big leagues if they are event half decent. It also tends to be more true as the season progresses because injuries further decimate what quality depth exists. Sending Cruz to AAA instead of having him continue to play through his ups and downs would be the cherry on top of a shitshow season in which bad decisions have significantly hampered any cause for optimism.

It is incorrect that Cruz took more walks towards the end of his AAA time. I don't know if you are scanning the box scores wrong or misremembering, but comments like that smack of only paying half-attention, just like not acknowledging the PAs he had vs. Rodon, for instance...

Cruz has started to take more walks at the MLB level, and generally seems more dialed in at the plate since the all star break. He's having bad ABs and bad games, but my sense remains that he's in an adjustment period which would have started in April or May in a better organization like Seattle. He's also performing more than adequately in the field, and adds a lot with the power presence, even if it's not fully exploited because of how bad half the players are who Shelton has at his disposal.
 
"Ready" is a fanciful notion that lacks explanatory power. I am not making claims about whether or not AAA is "evil", nor am I making moralizing claims about the Pirates "wronging" Cruz. If we want to go that route, I'm prepared to go much further, because all baseball players have a raw deal with respect to who actually creates monetary value.

AAA pitching is not a meaningful challenge for a lot of hitters once they've reached a solid number of AA at-bats. This is especially true against LHP, who usually end up in the big leagues if they are event half decent. It also tends to be more true as the season progresses because injuries further decimate what quality depth exists. Sending Cruz to AAA instead of having him continue to play through his ups and downs would be the cherry on top of a shitshow season in which bad decisions have significantly hampered any cause for optimism.

It is incorrect that Cruz took more walks towards the end of his AAA time. I don't know if you are scanning the box scores wrong or misremembering, but comments like that smack of only paying half-attention, just like not acknowledging the PAs he had vs. Rodon, for instance...

Cruz has started to take more walks at the MLB level, and generally seems more dialed in at the plate since the all star break. He's having bad ABs and bad games, but my sense remains that he's in an adjustment period which would have started in April or May in a better organization like Seattle. He's also performing more than adequately in the field, and adds a lot with the power presence, even if it's not fully exploited because of how bad half the players are who Shelton has at his disposal.
You absolutely could be right on the "adjustment period". I think we'll know either way this month.

Show me the stats that he didn't start taking more walks in late May & June. I recall a fairly significant improvement.
 
He posted strong walk rates all season in Indy: April 13.5%, May 15.5%, June 12.7% if we go by month.

In Pittsburgh, he basically didn't walk for the first 5-6 series. Then he drew some in the few series leading up to the ASB. He didn't start out with many, but the approach has looked more comfortable and he's running an 11.3% rate in August. He had a terrible game Sunday and was also pretty bad in Baltimore, but it's ups and downs. I think the same thing I've been thinking since before the season: he needs consistent reps against MLB quality pitching. Anything else, including the service time manipulation they ran this year, is a waste of time in terms of development.
 
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Cruz takes wild guesses on every single pitch. Couple that with this asinine approach of taking a million pitches a game and you have a lot of strikeouts. I hope to god they get someone that knows what they’re doing next year or else Cruz’s development will be on hold until we get tired of him and deal him somewhere for lower value.
 


Hopefully this means the end of the JVM experience and not the more likely Hayes IL again experience or the Cruz to Indianapolis experience (I am pessimistic enough to think that the latter is a possibility).

Padlo is definitely a worthwhile flier for a bad team, especially over JVM. If Hayes is injured, it is what it is. I wouldn't want Padlo getting ABs over prospects, but he had a good deal of people who were confident in him and hasn't clicked yet. The only thing I'd say is that I think Swaggerty should really be up here and getting everyday ABs for the next six weeks.
 
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Stopped watching. Better for it.

This thing is going to peak at 80-85 wins. Need to be exceptional and Team Cherington is average. Not bad, but not good enough given the Nutting-sized mountain to climb.
 
Chandler and Solometo just combined to throw 9 IP, gave up 6 hits, 0 ER, 1BB, and 7 K's.

76 of 105 for strikes, is extremely grand.

I still maintain the coaching staff, certainly at the ML level, and probably throughout some/most of the minors are just pathetic and cheap options for a cheap owner.

There is sooo much talent in the minor leagues right now. 2 of our top guys have been hurt for much of the year, and yet you can still point to Priester, Endy, the 2 mentioned above, new kid Nunez, Bae until he got hurt, Gorski until he got hurt, and numerous others, as having arrows pointing up, in some cases way up.

I refuse to believe allllll these guys are producing at the lower levels and then can't hack it upon arrival w/the big club. It belies history for even the worst franchise in terms of development.

Shelton's lineup cards are trash. His usage of arms is trash. He routinely shows zero fire in the dugout and only recently has stood up for his guys. Haines deserves to never coach hitters in the ML again. That much I'm 100% certain of. Marin, at least he can point to Keller and others as progressing as a reason to get another crack and honestly, Keller's turnaround alone gives me pause when it comes to firing his ass into the sun as well, though I certainly believe better options w/realworld production exists.

Overhaul the coaching staff and offensive philosophy at a bear minimum in terms of non player changes.
 
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Turned it on..Reynolds crying even though he's been season-killing bad with RISP.

This pitcher reminds me of Kyle Crick but with control.
 
Your shit team let up 3 runs to a hodgepodge of nothingness

At this point, I totally support any opposing announcers making fun of the Pirates.

Anything that exposes Nutting for the laughingstock he is...maybe in the long run Manfred steps in. Every bit helps.

We then promptly pinch hit JVM and ended the inning. Although I kinda agree since this guy would clearly be brutal on righties.

I'm so disappointed in Reynolds for this year. His stats flatter how terrible he has been situationally. Him throwing a tantrum on a correctly called strike...glad he cares but his disgust is misdirected.
 
I have a genuinely difficult time taking anything Eckersley says serious when the Red Sox have a payroll of 206 million but are still below .500 on the year.

The Pirates are a rebuilding team that sucks. Nice observation :laugh:
 
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I have a genuinely difficult time taking anything Eckersley says serious when the Red Sox have a payroll of 206 million but are still below .500 on the year.

The Pirates are a rebuilding team that sucks. Nice observation :laugh:

He compared it to the Royals, which have actual top prospects. Not Madris starting.
 
The team that gave Betts away and will not pay bogarts and devers and complained about us breaking the draft can stfu

Meanwhile, the owner is laughing and swimming in cash. :cool:
So if the owner spent and they sucked would you be happy. Phillies Angels Mets spend and don’t make the playoffs
 
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