GDT: RAGNARÖKR CLAN SKOGVAKTARE @ CLAN STORMNING AKA GAME 7 NEW YORK RANGERS @ CAROLINA HURRICANES

[Joe McGrath]

He's got a spark. It's sometimes misguided but I'll take a player like TDA over a cerebral Aho anyday

You and only you.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

You and only you.

Nah, there's at least one more user on here that will defend TDA regardless.

But yeah, this is the other side of TDA that we were told to watch out for. The one that lets his emotions control his actions and puts himself ahead of his teammates.

As I said in another thread, we didn't see a lot of it this year because the team didn't have too many "bad" losses in the regular season, but if this is the TDA we can expect come playoff time, no thanks.

Between him and Skjei, not a great playoff showing for ex-Ranger defensemen.

 

[Joe McGrath]

The player I’m most disappointed in is Svech. He is the prototypical playoff power forward and he just vanished again.

I’ve seen several posts saying they need a power forward. It’s him, he’s the top 6 power forward.

 

[HisIceness]

Yeah honestly I'd be fine letting TDA walk. Thanks for being a good soldier overall but I wasn't impressed in the playoffs. I expect him back though because I doubt anyone is going to give him a big payday, so he'll get signed to a 2 year deal or whatever.

The one player I feel for is Jordan Staal. He's declining obviously but he at least still wants to win. Unfortunately I think his decline is only going to get worse, he's got so many miles on the tires.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

I, for one, blame the Storm Squad for this loss. Shit-can the whole lot of them.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

The one player I feel for is Jordan Staal. He's declining obviously but he at least still wants to win. Unfortunately I think his decline is only going to get worse, he's got so many miles on the tires.

He really played well the 2nd half of the year, but I think the natural regression for him is to 4C/#1PK/defensive draw specialist next year. We seem to think the only option for KK is 2C or 4C. I think 3C makes a lot of sense for him with Staal taking a small step back.

 

[Tryamw]

Overall I was disappointed with cole I thought he'd bring a bit more physicality.. Maybe he could have but we asked him not to to fit our system..
But for a guy making what he did I didn't feel like we got well served.

 

[HisIceness]

Also while I'm thinking about it.

Time to retire the playoff flags, they've brought nothing but misery since they were introduced. I swear there's some kind of bad voodoo in them. Please no more. Please.

Dare I say maybe let's retire the Storm surge? It was fun when it was novel and shit but the players didn't seem to enjoy it this season. Sometimes things run their course and I think this is one of them.

 

[Chrispy]

He really played well the 2nd half of the year, but I think the natural regression for him is to 4C/#1PK/defensive draw specialist next year. We seem to think the only option for KK is 2C or 4C. I think 3C makes a lot of sense for him with Staal taking a small step back.

If that's the case, who is on the market that is an upgrade on Trocheck?

I don't think the Canes are signing Kadri at 32 to start next season. Malkin/Giroux short-term, maybe if they could land either. Trading for a rental isn't really Carolina's way of doing things.

Otherwise, I am concerned letting Trocheck walk results in a downgrade, even if the UFA number he gets doesn't make sense.

 

[chaz4hockey]

best thing we could do is find a situation where he's basically our #5 next season and able to feast on mismatches. Finding a way to do that without killing our cap situation is going to take some serious doing though.

Agree.....TDA should be our 3rd pair guy (partnered with a stay at home muscular D). Also, Pesce-Skjei were underwhelming in playoffs....time for a re-work?

btw: Tro...Drury?

 

[The Faulker 27]

Also while I'm thinking about it.

Time to retire the playoff flags, they've brought nothing but misery since they were introduced. I swear there's some kind of bad voodoo in them. Please no more. Please.

Dare I say maybe let's retire the Storm surge? It was fun when it was novel and shit but the players didn't seem to enjoy it this season. Sometimes things run their course and I think this is one of them.

Retire the team. Retire everything. RETIRED.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

If that's the case, who is on the market that is an upgrade on Trocheck?

I don't think the Canes are signing Kadri at 32 to start next season. Malkin/Giroux short-term, maybe if they could land either. Trading for a rental isn't really Carolina's way of doing things.

Otherwise, I am concerned letting Trocheck walk results in a downgrade, even if the UFA number he gets doesn't make sense.

I think it actually makes re-signing Trocheck a real possibility. Instead of Aho-Tro-Staal-KK you get Aho-Tro-KK-Staal, and then you go big game hunting for a winger.

Or, you can go Aho-KK-Staal-Drury as many are mentioned, but then the amount of pressure on going big game hunting for a winger just ramps up. Either way we need a winger, but re-signing Tro take some of that pressure off becomes a possibility (while I think it's a mistake, if you re-sign Tro you can position potential Jarvis/Necas progression as your top 6 improvement).

It's going to be a tough offseason no matter what. We need to add talent in an offseason where we are potentially going to lose 2 top 9 players to UFA, all while having an organizational philosophy of not paying market value for UFAs. Something's going to have to give unless we can pry someone like Laine or Fiala loose for a big 6-for-1 prospect deal or whatever (exaggeration intended).

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

Status Update: Yup, still hurts.

ETA: I'd up love to see KK given a chance centering outside of the fourth line Marty Party--but again, that depends on who we sign/resign.

Would like to see TDA back as well.

We'll see.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The player I’m most disappointed in is Svech. He is the prototypical playoff power forward and he just vanished again.

I’ve seen several posts saying they need a power forward. It’s him, he’s the top 6 power forward.

Watching MacKinnon and McDavid carry their team on their backs really juxtaposed how shitty our lottery pick player was playing.

 

[To Be Determined]

If that's the case, who is on the market that is an upgrade on Trocheck?

I don't think the Canes are signing Kadri at 32 to start next season. Malkin/Giroux short-term, maybe if they could land either. Trading for a rental isn't really Carolina's way of doing things.

Otherwise, I am concerned letting Trocheck walk results in a downgrade, even if the UFA number he gets doesn't make sense.

they have to be willing to take a short term downgrade letting tro walk, which makes sense to me given they've already shown they are playing the long term game. kk isn't going to improve on the 4th line. drury is basically done marinating in the ahl.

next year, we downgrade a bit but i'm willing to bet the borg still thinks a team runing aho-kk-staal-drury down the middle can be a playoff team. either we find out we have a 2C, or we find out that we have to go out and find one when staal comes off the books. if it is a complete shit-show, staal is our trade chip at the deadline to a contender. and given what he offers as a human eraser come playoff time, in that worst-case scenario where we are sellers, the silver lining is that he should return a ton.

best case, kk gets a metric f***ton of off-season skating work and by the end of next year we are happy to move forward with aho-kk-drury-4C (maybe a hugely discounted staal for a year or two if he wants to be here, but i sort of doubt it).

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

Like Tro but not for the term he'll be wanting.

 

[HisIceness]

Retire the team. Retire everything. RETIRED.

Contract team. Replace with expansion.???. Profit

 

[DaveG]

The player I’m most disappointed in is Svech. He is the prototypical playoff power forward and he just vanished again.

I’ve seen several posts saying they need a power forward. It’s him, he’s the top 6 power forward.

Unfortunate thing is he was that guy in the first 2 games, then he laid that Lindholm hit and that was that for him. Either he tweaked something on that hit or he's just frankly too nice and it got to him mentally on taking out another player on a hit like that. If it's the former, nothing you can do, if it's the later honestly the question is how you can get a guy like that to realize that that's sports. Unfortunate shit can happen even on the cleanest play.

If that's the case, who is on the market that is an upgrade on Trocheck?

I don't think the Canes are signing Kadri at 32 to start next season. Malkin/Giroux short-term, maybe if they could land either. Trading for a rental isn't really Carolina's way of doing things.

Otherwise, I am concerned letting Trocheck walk results in a downgrade, even if the UFA number he gets doesn't make sense.

Malkin, no joke, sign him on a 2 year deal if we can clear the cap space to make it work (Nino, Tro, Cole, Bear) and roll with Drury in the Nino roll on Staal's wing. I would say Koko but Koko as a wing just doesn't work as this year saw play out.

Agree.....TDA should be our 3rd pair guy (partnered with a stay at home muscular D). Also, Pesce-Skjei were underwhelming in playoffs....time for a re-work?

btw: Tro...Drury?

Drury as #2C? No, not yet, maybe eventually but not yet.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Watching MacKinnon and McDavid carry their team on their backs really juxtaposed how shitty our lottery pick player was playing.

Sometimes the obvious observation is obvious. He dominates the first 2 games of the playoffs, crushed Lindholm into next week, and then somehow after that decided that wasn't the right way to play. Made no sense and he's at the age where you can't use "he's still figuring things out" as an excuse anymore. He's figured things out, just look at Games 1 and 2. He's fully capable of being the dominant force we need. He's just not doing it.

 

[Svechhammer]

Unfortunate thing is he was that guy in the first 2 games, then he laid that Lindholm hit and that was that for him. Either he tweaked something on that hit or he's just frankly too nice and it got to him mentally on taking out another player on a hit like that. If it's the former, nothing you can do, if it's the later honestly the question is how you can get a guy like that to realize that that's sports. Unfortunate shit can happen even on the cleanest play.



Malkin, no joke, sign him on a 2 year deal if we can clear the cap space to make it work (Nino, Tro, Cole, Bear) and roll with Drury in the Nino roll on Staal's wing.



Drury as #2C? No, not yet, maybe eventually but not yet.

I could absolutely see us take a run at Malkin, and I fully believe he wants to prove he can win without Sid like Messier did in NY but I can't imagine he'll do so inside the division. But, if he did and we could roll a line of him and Svech together that could really elevate everyone's game and give a lot of matchup issues to anyone we play.

Sometimes the obvious answer is obvious. He dominates the first 2 games of the playoffs, crushed Lindholm into next week, and then somehow after that decided that wasn't the right way to play. Made no sense and he's at the age where you can't use "he's still figuring things out" as an excuse anymore. He's figured things out, just look at Games 1 and 2. He's fully capable of being the dominant force we need. He's just not doing it.

There's a part of me that thinks this is coached. The amount that Brindy stresses that we have to stay out of the extracurricular crap and to just play our game, it feels like playing that level of heaviness is discouraged because it leads to skirmishes we don't want.

 

[Chrispy]

Yeah, I agree that Malkin is growing on me as a target. May not be healthy for part of the season, but the depth of the team can overcome that for a few weeks. Just hope he's healthy for the playoffs unlike Andersen this year.

That said, I'll believe Malkin is leaving Pittsburgh on opening night and not before.

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

LOL I'm sorry but Svech is never and was never going to be a MacKinnon or McDavid. Comparing him to them is....a choice. Maybe one day we'll get lucky enough to draft a transcendent talent like that.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I think 4 seasons is a large enough sample size to know what this team is in the playoffs at this point, and hopefully some real hard looks are going to happen.

Losing Andersen was just unfortunate. I think it was unfortunate how he was left in a game to get shelled for 7 goals too, but I'm not gonna digress into Rod's decision making. Overall, Raanta carried them as far as he could. With the way he went down, he had to have been nursing something this series which explains the decline in his lateral movement. There were other times he was visibly wincing after making a sprawling save. I think we're playing Tampa if we had a healthy Andersen (or Raanta), and likely still would have lost due to special teams failures.

The power fail is a whole different can of worms.

 

[To Be Determined]

Malkin, no joke, sign him on a 2 year deal if we can clear the cap space to make it work (Nino, Tro, Cole, Bear) and roll with Drury in the Nino roll on Staal's wing. I would say Koko but Koko as a wing just doesn't work as this year saw play out.



Drury as #2C? No, not yet, maybe eventually but not yet.

man, i'd be down for a couple years of malkin, but given the rumors that a $5 million offer from the pens was more or less an insult i just don't know if the canes would pay what it would take.

i hadn't thought of easing drury in on the wing - looking at your post offering up drury-staal-fast...

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

There's a part of me that thinks this is coached. The amount that Brindy stresses that we have to stay out of the extracurricular crap and to just play our game, it feels like playing that level of heaviness is discouraged because it leads to skirmishes we don't want.

If true, this is very dumb and seemingly antithetical to our high-pressure forechecking game. It would only be a boon to our already impressive forechecking game if defensemen also feared for their lives going back to get the puck (instead of just fearing a turnover). Is it because he thinks it's unsustainable for 82 games? It can't be because he thinks it'd cause us to take more penalties (I think we're already tapped out at the amount we reasonable could take). It's really clear from the last few years of playoffs that no one really fears us after awhile. Actually crushing guys every now and then could help that, and Svech is one of the main ones that can do it.