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Radko Gudas: The BIGGEST NHL Rat NO ONE Talks About

Enga Olly said:
Oh who's your super secret, super duper high level source on this? Both have been treated very very well by the organization and being paid top dollar all the while too. So where exactly is the grass greener? This ain't the Ballard era here - everything is top shelf. Only real drag is the idiot media and the spotlight's glare. Wallflowers need not apply but somehow Willie and Auston don't strike me as the shy type
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I don't see two non Canadians staying in Canada their whole careers.
Toronto definitely have the deep pockets but they will get paid anywhere they go and think if Leafs don't get to at least ECF, they see the eventual decline of the Leafs coming as your D core ages and the cost to bring back AM, WN and MM + Rielly will be 50% of the cap.
 
HofT said:
You have to apply the whole rule.

42.1 Charging: Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

And as I said, he could have knocked the puck but it's still a charge since he lays the hit. He travelled a distance going at a fast pace and violently checked the opponent's blindside into the goal frame.


Try to disprove the call on the ice
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The “distance traveled” would imply what Schiefle did to the Hab in the playoff game. Both guys were moving, there was a collision. Next time Gudas should just let the guy take the puck to the net? Or just bump him softly and ask him to please not score a goal? This was a horseshit call made by a horseshit ref. The same ref whose head you’ll most likely be calling for in the near future...
 
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TkachuksPestControl said:
I don't see two non Canadians staying in Canada their whole careers.
Toronto definitely have the deep pockets but they will get paid anywhere they go and think if Leafs don't get to at least ECF, they see the eventual decline of the Leafs coming as your D core ages and the cost to bring back AM, WN and MM + Rielly will be 50% of the cap.
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Mats Sundin played his whole NHL career in Canada.
 
Ratsreign said:
The “distance traveled” would imply what Schiefle did to the Hab in the playoff game. Both guys were moving, there was a collision. Next time Gudas should just let the guy take the puck to the net? Or just bump him softly and ask him to please not score a goal? This was a horseshit call made by a horseshit ref. The same ref whose head you’ll most likely be calling for in the near future...
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Based on the rule, what Gudas did is a penalty. Maybe you can say the hit wasn't that hard cause Aston-Reese wasn't hurt and nets get dislodged easily.
 
Turns around, takes two strides, glides the rest of the way. Don't really see anything wrong with this play.
HofT said:
I must have gave the wrong impression by highlighting that part. This thread was kinda continuing from the other thread so I still had that other thread's mindset and the discussion going on there.

So, here's the rule this time with no highlights:

42.1 Charging: Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

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At the start of my gif Gudas is on top of the hash marks. To deliver his hit, he travels from there to the top of the goalie crease. That's his distance. And in that distance he is fully lock on and homing on Aston-Reese's blindside at a significant pace. Now, the other part of the rule is if was a "violent" hit and interpreting a violent hit can be very nuanced. With that said, I and the Refs are interpreting a violent hit here by the fact that Aston-Reese went spine first into the frame of the net dislodging it and forcing the play to stop all cause of Gudas's distanced travelled fully holding A or X charged violent hit.

Also, thehockeyguy's has a good interpretation of the rule. In the video hes talking about the Scheifele charge against the Habs back in 2021 playoffs.




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You actually consider top of hash marks to the top of the crease a significant distance? That's literally one stride worth of skating. A player could be standing still at the top of the hash marks and dive and slide all the way to the top of the blue.

Throw in the fact that Gudas engages the puck first and then the body (as players are taught to do around their own net) leaves little doubt that this is NOT charging.
 
Can we pause for just one moment and realize that the whole “leafs fans this” and “panthers fans that” thing is totally not necessary here. I see plenty of leafs fans who acknowledge the dumb call and plenty of fans of both teams acknowledging the general refereeing from last night’s game was a total shit show.

There’s no need to alienate people who are being reasonable by getting all tribalistic.
 
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HofT said:
Based on the rule, what Gudas did is a penalty. Maybe you can say the hit wasn't that hard cause Aston-Reese wasn't hurt and nets get dislodged easily.
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Has nothing to do with how hard the hit was, or the net easily dislodging.....it simply wasn’t charging that led to the hit.
 
CharasLazyWrister said:
That’s just saying where the penalty can occur on the ice. Into the boards, open ice, or into the goal frame.

It doesn’t say that checking a guy into the goal frame = charging. That’s a bit comedic if that’s actually your interpretation. I guess open ice hitting and hitting into the boards is also illegal.

The only bad thing about that hit is the risk of Gudas putting the player into his own goaltender. That alone should have made him think twice. Contrary to your belief, guys are checked into the goal frame all the time and it’s almost never called a penalty.

That being said, the call was made likely because the end result was particularly dramatic, which like it or not (I don’t), is what determines charging calls these days rather than the player actually charging. It’s got nothing to do with some hard and fast rule about checks into goal posts, just like charging calls made on boards/open ice hits aren’t made because of some rule that you can’t hit guys there.
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Sorry but a player taking swing because hes late and to hit as hard he can on the board, goal post or on goalie and risk security of player, its an easy call and ref will call it most of the time... was one of easiest call of this game

Ref also check the replay to see if this hit deserve a 5 min major. The reality its if aston-reese stay in the ice injured, im pretty sure its a major penalty
 
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Grifter3511 said:
Turns around, takes two strides, glides the rest of the way. Don't really see anything wrong with this play.

You actually consider top of hash marks to the top of the crease a significant distance? That's literally one stride worth of skating. A player could be standing still at the top of the hash marks and dive and slide all the way to the top of the blue.

Throw in the fact that Gudas engages the puck first and then the body (as players are taught to do around their own net) leaves little doubt that this is NOT charging.
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The rule doesn't say how far a player has to travel for a hit to be considered a charge. Doesn't say how many strides, doesn't say if he can glide or not. It just says "as a result of distance traveled". It is what it is.
 
TkachuksPestControl said:
I don't see two non Canadians staying in Canada their whole careers.
Toronto definitely have the deep pockets but they will get paid anywhere they go and think if Leafs don't get to at least ECF, they see the eventual decline of the Leafs coming as your D core ages and the cost to bring back AM, WN and MM + Rielly will be 50% of the cap.
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Thank you for your concern
 
HofT said:
The rule doesn't say how far a player has to travel for a hit to be considered a charge. Doesn't say how many strides, doesn't say if he can glide or not. It just says "as a result of distance traveled". It is what it is.
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'Distance traveled' and 'violent hit' are completely ambiguous and subjective. Can you show me a single hit in the history of the nhl where the hitting player didn't travel some distance?
 
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Ratsreign said:
Has nothing to do with how hard the hit was, or the net easily dislodging.....it simply wasn’t charging that led to the hit.
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Well, it kinda does matter. I'm saying the distance travelled allowed Gudas to make a charged "violent" hard hit on the blindside of Aston-Reese and the net being dislodged proves the hit was "violent" enough.

All the rule says is this: Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall "violently" check an opponent in any manner.
 
Machinehead said:
That nobody talks about?

Gudas is widely regarded as pretty dirty.
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Physical and dirty are different things. If Gudas wanted to play dirty he would be the most suspended person in league history. He is an extremely dangerous man who follows the rules. He leads one of the best defensive pairings in the league whilst being strong enough to force entire cities put their diapers on and cry as we saw last night. A powerhouse of a specimen, yes, dangerous, yes; but not dirty.
 
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Grifter3511 said:
'Distance traveled' and 'violent hit' are completely ambiguous and subjective. Can you show me a single hit in the history of the nhl where the hitting player didn't travel some distance?
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Absolutely. You and another poster are the first to bring that up. And I agree. 'Distance traveled' and 'violent hit' is ambiguous and subjective. With that said, I and the refs think this was warranted a penalty.
 
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