News Article: Rachel Doerrie has left the Canucks

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joelCAMEL

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“My understanding is Quinn had one of the roughest goes with COVID amongst the Canucks,” Sekeres said on his new live streaming show with Blake Price. “There were reports of IVs for Quinn Hughes. I think he lost some weight.”

Sekeres did not even say it, as being factual. He stated it, in a way that left it open to interpretation. If the listener believed it as fact, then that is on them. It is a talk show where multiple topics and opinions are discussed in a short time. No one should ever confuse it as a source for news.
 
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Hansen

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Being put on an IV probably isnt even that unusual for flu with access to the healthcare the team can provide. If youre continuously throwing up or shitting or cant get fluids it makes sense. I think some players probably did get hit harder than theyd like to admit

But yes Sekeres is an absolute moron
 

RangerDoggo

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I wouldn't be surprised if she shit-talked ownership, and in this case she's in the right... or "not as wrong," as it were. But make no mistake, Rachel is an ungrateful little shit and a rich kid who never had to face the consequences for anything until she got into the working world.

She seems to know what she's talking about when it comes to statistics, but she has no professionalism whatsoever. I hope she never gets a job in the league ever again.
 

MarkMM

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Of course it is. Like I said, there are bad reporters doing bad reporting. There is a lot of pressure to be first to a scoop and some guys run with stuff before they've done the proper legwork.

And absolutely that deserves to be criticized. Like I said, Sekeres is a crappy reporter. And if someone is hesitant in believing a scoop from him because his track record is spotty ... fair enough.

But again, nobody is 'making stuff up'. Reporters are reporting stuff they believe to be true. Some of them are just more thorough and accurate than others.

Oh, absolutely. No argument there.

Reporters are human beings and just as prone to biases as everyone else. And for generations, reporters in city have flip-flopped as pro/anti management when management changes happened and their reporting has been coloured by that filter. And absolutely, when something lines up with your narrative it's probably human nature to get excited and run with it quicker than you would with something that goes against it.

Again, I'm not at all saying that we aren't subjected to bad and/or biased reporting. Constantly. It just drives me nuts when, whenever someone sees a story they don't like, the default response is LOL THE MEDIA JUST MAKING STUFF UP AGAIN as though people are inventing stories out of thin air. That simply doesn't happen.

I've worked with reporters and most of them are good, often their mistakes are either honest or the result of not having enough time or resources to follow up, but definitely there is an inherent bias that they do use to frame things.

I haven't seen reporters completely make up something out of the blue, but I HAVE seen them embellish or fill in the gaps with their own speculation that they pass off as facts, and only clarify once caught out. So they'll hear a true fact that they'll report (inside source says X happened) and then they'll make up that it happened because Y reasons, and word it in a way that you'd naturally interpret Y as also having been reported by the source who said X.

X was reportedly true.
Y was made up by the reporter who thinks that's what happened.

Both will be passed off as the same level of information sourcing.

Not all reporters do it, but it does happen and is gross, so they may not completely make things up, but their evolution of facts becomes so perverted it in a sense is now made up, just with an original kernal of truth.
it doesn't help that teams brazenly lie almost constantly. no one accuses the canucks of fake news when boeser is reported as being day to day and then it's revealed well actually he had wrist surgery and will be out a month. reporters have to skirt the edges of confirming their stories because teams will pretty much never be straight up with them except when it benefits them to do so

This is very true, teams lie all the time for understandable tactical and strategic reasons, but reporters are held to a standard of truth. It does make it harder for journalists, but in the end, that's literally their job, to discover the truth.
 
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BenningHurtsMySoul

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Yes, Its not old boys club. To be expected to show humility and be humble in your first few years of your job when coming in on the ground floor. You can state your opinion and if they don’t listen to you and you are proven right later, and you are humble about it, they will notice and give you a shot later.

That said I have no idea what happened and literally nothing would surprise me at all at this stage.

It's a hard lesson that young people with fancy degrees and career momentum need to learn early on, often times the hard way. That's how it was for me. You just can't openly bash your employer and expect there to be no consequences (if indeed that's what happened).

I'm 32 for the record.
 

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I've repeatedly said that Sekeres is an idiot. That's very obviously the case. He's a sloppy reporter who doesn't do his job well.

I just don't believe for a second that he's for some reason intentionally embarrassing himself by inventing wrong stories like the Hughes IV thing out of thin air.
I agree that reporters don’t make up stuff. But it’s basically just as bad when they don’t vet stuff that they can find out is true or not. Both of these actions shows a lack of integrity.

It's a hard lesson that young people with fancy degrees and career momentum need to learn early on, often times the hard way. That's how it was for me. You just can't openly bash your employer and expect there to be no consequences (if indeed that's what happened).

I'm 32 for the record.
People having been bashing their employers forever, but in today’s world they seem less abashed to do in it a public setting where it can be traced to them.

People would just talk to friends, family or trusted co-workers about their company. No paper trail back to them. Not put it on the Internet or social media.
 
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He also said she left the organization and then followed that up with the article that she’s been fired. Simpson, from everything I’ve seen, isn’t a great writer.

Thats fair. I don't know this reporter at all. I was just reading what I would expect a reporter to right.

Those two and the GM would be the only ones with power to fire anyone. And they are all in the highest levels of management.


GM is a position a reporter would certainly call highest levels of management.

Vector pointed out this reporter isn't very good so I could be wrong. However, I think a normal reporter would word thigs as highest management if if it was a GM or president. the way it is worded makes it seem like ownership. But again that is based on good reporting which this guy is apparently not.

Isn’t the job of the reporter to check the sources? Reporting something that ultimately turns out not to be true that they could have vetted is about as bad as it gets for a sports reporter. The thing with Quinn in the IV could have been vetted.
This isn’t reporting on a trade rumour and then a GM denying talking to another GM about a player. As the GM won’t want to let their guys know that they were potentially on the block.
Unless they don’t consider that their reputation means something.

I think it use to be, but now there is too much emphasis being put on being first. So many more mistakes being made.

Being put on an IV probably isnt even that unusual for flu with access to the healthcare the team can provide. If youre continuously throwing up or shitting or cant get fluids it makes sense. I think some players probably did get hit harder than theyd like to admit

But yes Sekeres is an absolute moron

There are actual places in Vancouver you can go to get IV's for sickness thats not like a hospital.

Side note I have had both IV's and oxegen for free at places of work when I showed up hungover...
 

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He also said she left the organization and then followed that up with the article that she’s been fired. Simpson, from everything I’ve seen, isn’t a great writer.
What, the dude who wrote the amazing take on what was next for Jake Virtanen's unblemished hockey career after being "proven innocent"? :laugh:

What a douchey headline on this piece too.
 

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I honestly can't believe that people actually think this happens.

There are bad reporters here. There are reporters who prematurely run with stories based on bad/suspect sources and get it wrong. Bad reporting happens. It doesn't mean that the bad reporter is making stuff up.

Inventing specific, easily disprovable stories is career suicide and no media member is doing this. Ever. But fans who need to be introduced to Occam's Razor run with this as the explanation every time.
There are also many times where a reporter or journalist will venture a guess at a theory or backstory behind something, make it clear that they are just speculating, or simply report what they heard (not what they are claiming is true), but you know there will be plenty lining up on social media to claim that they "got it wrong" and therefore can't be trusted, or outright claim it was a false report.
 
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There are also many times where a reporter or journalist will venture a guess at a theory or backstory behind something, make it clear that they are just speculating, but you know there will be plenty lining up on social media to claim that they "got it wrong" and therefore can't be trusted, or outright claim it was a false report.

Yes. Fans are really bad at distinguishing the difference between a) reporting news and facts, b) editorializing, and c) speculating.

You'll regularly see things like people citing Drance's bad hockey takes when he's editorializing as evidence that his reporting on factual information can't be trusted.
 

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Well that didnt last two minutes did it..?..Being fired by two NHL teams in a fairly short timespan does put up red flags.

She's looking like an individual that comes with excessive amounts of baggage.

On another note..all the Canucks off ice drama (Virtanen,Aqualini,Dorrie) is getting tiresome..The start of the season cant come quickly enough.
 
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Yes. Fans are really bad at distinguishing the difference between a) reporting news and facts, b) editorializing, and c) speculating.

You'll regularly see things like people citing Drance's bad hockey takes when he's editorializing as evidence that his reporting on factual information can't be trusted.
Important for the reporter to use the correct words and for fans to understand what those words mean.

If they say “my sources say” or something to that effect then reporter is taking responsibility for what is being said because they have a source or have vetted the information.

Saying I am hearing, means the source isn’t vetted.

Saying it’s reported, gets tricky depending on the integrity of the reporter relaying the info. Has the reporter checked to see if the other report appears to have vetted the source or whether it’s not vetted.
What words does the reporter use when relaying something someone else has reported that appears vetted vs unvetted.

Should be more of a standard for networks, Media, tv, papers, use to differentiate whether the information is vetted or not. With how quickly they want to get the information out to the public.

With how this board has beat up the Canucks and their rebuild vs retool wording, semantics should be a big deal for the media as well Lin their reporting.
 
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wonton15

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Over/under on when they release a statement this Friday afternoon? Classic Canucks move
 
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I am not saying my fellow HFboarders wrong. In this result-driven business, the trump card is the ability to get your job done well. I am more into that Canucks management found out she was very shallow, all-flash & no substance.
 
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There are also many times where a reporter or journalist will venture a guess at a theory or backstory behind something, make it clear that they are just speculating, or simply report what they heard (not what they are claiming is true), but you know there will be plenty lining up on social media to claim that they "got it wrong" and therefore can't be trusted, or outright claim it was a false report.
But when a reporter claims to have heard something there's absolutely no way to distinguish what they actually heard and what they made up because they deemed it likely or within the realm of possibility. And then later they can simply shrug and say whoever they heard it from, who is never named and rarely even localized to a certain organization or profession, must have had it wrong, gosh darn them.
 

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Well that didnt last two minutes did it..?..Being fired by two NHL teams in a fairly short timespan does put up red flags.

She's looking like an individual that comes with excessive amounts of baggage.

On another note..all the Canucks off ice drama (Virtanen,Aqualini,Dorrie) is getting tiresome..The start of the season cant come quickly enough.

Rutherford had these same issues in Carolina and Pittsburgh. Seems like a flaw of his.
 

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Shockingly, all of the same people who were saying you can't rush to judgement on Virtanen and the Aquilini stuff look like Usian Bolt in the 100m as they rush to judgement with no facts of any sort here. I wonder what the common denominator is?

This whole thing is super strange. It could be a lot of things. I was a bit surprised when she was hired here given some of her comments about the organization and some of the people in it (including high-profile players) when she was in the media - especially given how she got that info - and wondered if that was vetted and cleared before the hiring? Or just not noticed? And wondered if it would ever come back to bite her.

There are obviously people who are going to be quick to go after her because she's a woman, but there's also quite a big difference between jumping behind allegations of serious crimes like sexual assault and child abuse, and saying a known lippy person was probably fired for being lippy.
 
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