Draft R1 #23: New York Rangers Select RW Gabriel Perreault (Boston College, NCAA)

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I'm going to predict one of these things happens...

1.) The Rangers sign GP to the ELC and insert him in the playoffs (assuming we make it) and he doesn't look out of place.
2.) The Rangers sign GP to the ELC and insert him in the playoffs (assuming we make it) and he looks overwhelmed.
3.) The Rangers sign GP to the ELC and insert him in the playoffs (assuming we make it) and he doesn't play.
4.) The Rangers sign GP to the ELC and has a great camp, but starts in Hartford.
5.) The Rangers sign GP to the ELC and has a great camp and makes the team, but struggles and gets sent down.
6.) The Rangers sign GP to the ELC and has a great camp and makes the team, plays well, a star is born.
7.) The Rangers sign GP to the ELC and has a tough camp, gets cut, and goes to Hartford.
8.) HFBoards will find a way to complain about every one of the above except #6.

More realistic option

9) The Rangers sign GP to the ELC and when he plays for the Rangers, he gets 4th line minutes until; injury or he forces the coach to do so. the Rangers sign GP to the ELC and he p;ays for Hartford with AHL vets that have no future for the Rangers (Blidhl, Bo Giroux, Belzile) instead of Roobroeck, Sykora, Chmelar players like that
 
More realistic option

9) The Rangers sign GP to the ELC and when he plays for the Rangers, he gets 4th line minutes until; injury or he forces the coach to do so. the Rangers sign GP to the ELC and he p;ays for Hartford with AHL vets that have no future for the Rangers (Blidhl, Bo Giroux, Belzile) instead of Roobroeck, Sykora, Chmelar players like that

I think Roobroeck, Sykora and Chmelar have played well for Hartford but they're not currently the top forwards on that team. For Roobroeck and Chmelar it's their rookie pro years and Sykora is still 20 years old. None of them including the 2nd round Sykora were ever drafted to be top 6 higher production forwards. If you look at their numbers Roobroeck 28 points in 64 games a -2 with 92 shots, Sykora 26 points in 63 games a -21 118 shots and Chmelar 26 points in 63 games a -30 with 117 shots---the numbers kind of tell us they all still have things they can improve on.

Belzile has 170 shots and is a + player in 60 games and he's way out front in the lead as far as team scoring. Groulx has been dealing with injury for the last month + and is still solidly in second place in team scoring. He's also not super old. He's 24. Some of the college free agents we've been talking about lately are about the same age. For whatever reason they've not made it as NHL'ers they are good players. Blidh is a gamer---he's always been a kind of pest asshole to play against.

If Perreault did end up in Hartford you'd want him with the higher producers. He and Groulx who is an up tempo puck moving center would probably be the plan.
 
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I think Roobroeck, Sykora and Chmelar have played well for Hartford but they're not currently the top forwards on that team. For Roobroeck and Chmelar it's their rookie pro years and Sykora is still 20 years old. None of them including the 2nd round Sykora were ever drafted to be top 6 higher production forwards. If you look at their numbers Roobroeck 28 points in 64 games a -2 with 92 shots, Sykora 26 points in 63 games a -21 118 shots and Chmelar 26 points in 63 games a -30 with 117 shots---the numbers kind of tell us they all still have things they can improve on.

Belzile has 170 shots and is a + player in 60 games and he's way out front in the lead as far as team scoring. Groulx has been dealing with injury for the last month + and is still solidly in second place in team scoring. He's also not super old. He's 24. Some of the college free agents we've been talking about lately are about the same age. For whatever reason they've not made it as NHL'ers they are good players. Blidh is a gamer---he's always been a kind of pest asshole to play against.

If Perreault did end up in Hartford you'd want him with the higher producers. He and Groulx who is an up tempo puck moving center would probably be the plan.

where do you put Perreault? With whom do you put him? Is the coaching and development staff even f***ing capable of determining what he needs to work on and creating a plan for him to grow effectively, in conjunction with the AHL staff? No shot. It's gonna fall entirely on Gabe and whatever non-Ranger affiliated people he trusts to establish and follow through on his development trajectory. I don't know if he's that kid, but if he's like most 20yo kids, I don't think it's gonna come naturally. I'm expecting that his deficiencies will be exacerbated, and he'll lose ice time at the NHL level because of it. Rinse. Repeat.
 
where do you put Perreault? With whom do you put him? Is the coaching and development staff even f***ing capable of determining what he needs to work on and creating a plan for him to grow effectively, in conjunction with the AHL staff? No shot. It's gonna fall entirely on Gabe and whatever non-Ranger affiliated people he trusts to establish and follow through on his development trajectory. I don't know if he's that kid, but if he's like most 20yo kids, I don't think it's gonna come naturally. I'm expecting that his deficiencies will be exacerbated, and he'll lose ice time at the NHL level because of it. Rinse. Repeat.
Why would you suggest that Hartford staff is professionally weak? Cuylle, Edstrom, Rempe, Schneider, Jones, Othmann, Berard (etc?) all recently spent significant time and moved up to NHL level. Sykora, Chmelar, Roo etc are doing well on track as well.
 
where do you put Perreault? With whom do you put him? Is the coaching and development staff even f***ing capable of determining what he needs to work on and creating a plan for him to grow effectively, in conjunction with the AHL staff? No shot. It's gonna fall entirely on Gabe and whatever non-Ranger affiliated people he trusts to establish and follow through on his development trajectory. I don't know if he's that kid, but if he's like most 20yo kids, I don't think it's gonna come naturally. I'm expecting that his deficiencies will be exacerbated, and he'll lose ice time at the NHL level because of it. Rinse. Repeat.

Where?--in the top 6 for sure and I think he has a pretty good chance of making the Rangers out of training camp. He's a high IQ point producing machine and a player who works well with others. If he goes to Hartford he goes straight to the top line. If you look at guys like Lafreniere and Kakko---great offensive skills but they need others to bring their games out. Perreault's hockey IQ is more Panarin, Fox---he's a play creator. He needs good line mates but they're more dependent on him than he is on them. He makes other players better. He sets them up all the time and is a good enough and smart enough player to keep defenses and goalies honest by putting some goals away himself.
 
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Why would you suggest that Hartford staff is professionally weak? Cuylle, Edstrom, Rempe, Schneider, Jones, Othmann, Berard (etc?) all recently spent significant time and moved up to NHL level. Sykora, Chmelar, Roo etc are doing well on track as well.
i see those players as fundamentally different types than GP. Perreault is the type of player we have struggled to develop.
 
i see those players as fundamentally different types than GP. Perreault is the type of player we have struggled to develop.

The NYR have had one draft pick in 30 years that has cracked 60 points w the NYR. Kreider.

3 others did it, but not w the NYR. Savard, Miller (maybe he will next season), Buch.

Concern over how GP will be used and developed here is IMO justified.
 
The NYR have had one draft pick in 30 years that has cracked 60 points w the NYR. Kreider.

3 others did it, but not w the NYR. Savard, Miller (maybe he will next season), Buch.

Concern over how GP will be used and developed here is IMO justified.

Sure. Although Dubinsky, Stepan, Callahan producing 50-55 points during the .915 goalie era is the equivalent of 65-70 today.

We haven't developed any star forwards save Zuccarello. One hundred percent with you there.
 
In Hartford?
When did Hartford have a chance and failed to develop Perreault's type player?
It’s an organizational issue, I’m not sure why the semantics of Hartford matters.

This century the player they’ve developed that’s had the most success with the team long term at forward is Kreider and he maxed at like 70 points.

The organization sucks at developing high level forwards, it’s just reality
 
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When did Hartford have a chance and failed to develop Perreault's type player?
you're chicken-or-egging here.

it seems like most of us agree that the org has struggled to develop skilled Fs. Some of us are suggesting GP go to Hartford - a departure from our normal high end F prospect development trajectory - and while I support that, i do so with a modicum of trepidation about Hartford's staff's ability to develop Gabe properly.

You're rebutting with "yeah well they've never had the opportunity to develop a high end F prospect. How can we assume they won't do a good job based on their track record with grindier prospects like Cuylle and Berard?"

I get that. I still stand by the doubt. Whatever the reasons, we have not seen a high end F prospect development story out of hartford. Id argue Cuylle's physicality and defensive prowess has earned him his role at the NHL level, rather than his offense. See: the staff being comfortable relying on him for PK but not trying him on PP.

Gabe is a pure skill prospect. I think he would benefit from a stint with the Pack, getting fed heavy minutes, being The Guy there, building confidence and adjusting to playing against professionals. I just don't know that it's something our organizational development staff has in their toolbox.
 
There are empty nets, and there are empty nets. Leonard missed the latter on a nice PP passing sequence by Perreault and Hagens.

Perreault/Leonard/Hagens generate all of BC's offense. Perreault is also guilty of overpassing. He should fit in seamlessly with this Rangers team.
 
Gabe scores the first goal of BCs NCAA tornament:



Currently tied 1-1 in the second, he had 5 shots so far. They better wake up and win this gimmie game.

Bentley is just doing that "collapse in front of your net and maul the other team because the refs will let you" deal

but yeah BC should be winning, they've wiffed on many great chances

Perreault does overpass a bit and try to do too much but I dunno, some of that is just college hockey. He's generated a bunch of chances
 
I mean Bentley has done almost nothing all game and any chances they've gotten have mostly been BC turning the puck over by throwing blind passes and stuff
 
goddamn Hagens has sucked shit this game

He had a breakaway after stealing the puck at the blueline and didn't wwant to shoot until he got his shot blocked

all in a lone on the goalie and he stopped skating because he wanted to pass to Leonard, who has looked thoroughly mediocre, just trying to whip shots at the net again and again getting them all blocked or missing on them
 
Hagens scores with 77 seconds left, 2-1 BC
Took a bounce off the boards and the goalie went out of position and was able to put it in
 
Solid work by that line in general, though again earlier Hagens passed on shooting and tried to feed Leonard who heeled another shot

Possession started with Gabe coming in 1 on 4 and buying a little time before laying a pass into space for his teammate coming in
 

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