Value of: Quinton Byfield

Kurrilino

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Simple. Kings is a contending team now. If he figure out his game too late.... He might be:

1) Either traded for strengthening the team. Remember, Both Kopi and Doughty is not getting younger.

2) Yes, he rise to the occasion but the team is absolutely shambles and fully tanking because the old guard already retired by the point he became a truly world class player.

uhmm.. the Kings are a contending team?

You might have fallen into the same trap as many other people.
The Pacific division has 5 out of 8 teams rebuilding and the Kings are the 3rd best team of the non rebuilding teams.
We have no business at all to be even close to the playoff.

The Kings running a veteran reunion fantasy tour on the cost of the development of the youngsters.
Kopi and Doughty have no business to be on a playoff team
 

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This is like chicago wanting a redo with kirby dach

byfield for any pick from #10oa-#15oa
 

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Didn't he start off a torid pace and then really cool off ?
If you think he (Vilardi) should have ended the year with 50 goals after 12 NHL games played, than yes.

Unbelievable…


And Byfield was not responsible for Kempe’s 40 goals. That was 95% Kempe himself.
 
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Why would that be?

He is freaking 20 with a huge body he has to grow into and learn to utilize.
He is still 3-4 years away from making an impact.

The real question is why the Kings are not giving him any chance to grow, playing the position his is intended to play.
The line with Fiala - Byfield - Villardi looked fantastic
3-4 year????! What the f***? You realize how bad it sounds that a second overall player NEEDS 5 years to become an impact player ?

If you think that’s fine then that means he never should have went second overall. More like 15-20 overall.
 

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3-4 year????! What the f***? You realize how bad it sounds that a second overall player NEEDS 5 years to become an impact player ?

If you think that’s fine then that means he never should have went second overall. More like 15-20 overall.
who's the last 6'5'' guy to make an impact right away
 
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Problem here is that the Kings management think they can compete for the cup. When in reality they should focus on developing the assets into successfully NHL players. Some Kings fans are confused on this. We are not going anywhere with a 36 year old 1C. Just ask Boston. So why would we trade the only potential 1C we have?
Just ask the Canucks. At least the Kings have a plethora of young talent. Teams seem to have loyalty to aging starts to give them "one more shot". They tend to go all in and then wreck their futures for a few years as they try and rebuild on the fly. Boston somehow pulled it off and kept their window open longer but now its shut and they are in cap hell. Canucks tried and failed miserably with the Sedins and its created 9-10 years of damage, multiple GM's and coaches, and only now are we seeing a chance to get out from under it by next year.

3-4 year????! What the f***? You realize how bad it sounds that a second overall player NEEDS 5 years to become an impact player ?

If you think that’s fine then that means he never should have went second overall. More like 15-20 overall.
Sedins went 1-2 and took that long. They seemed to have pretty good careers....
 

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It's the opposite. He has the skills. He doesn't have a good hockey mind on his shoulders. This is the one thing I said on HFB like 20 times right before the draft. He's always been slow and picking up stuff and he's always had too high of a learning curve so that he always wound up not performing well in the big tournaments. Stutzle was the opposite, he was always ahead of the curve.

Having played some non-pro hockey myself when I was a young man, there were many games I could watch at the floor/roller rink which had very good players including those who played ice hockey too. One guy mentioned something to me that I never forgot: there's a lot of guys out there who have some skill...I have a shot as good as Modano, I can skate as fast as Fedorov, I can backskate as well as Chelios, etc. These guys keep trying out but not making teams despite having an elite level skill or two. However the difference between a guy who has no elite level skill but is playing in the bottom pair or bottom six every day in the NHL vs. the guy who does have some elite skill but will never make the NHL is this. How fast can you process what the opposing players are doing and react to it and also reacting to your own teammates? Are you fast enough mentally for the NHL and you can react well? Do you have good awareness and reactions both offensively and defensively?

That's the difference between an everyday player in the NHL vs. some amateur guy with skills. Coaches know there is a cap and they still have to field an entire team's roster. There will be guys who are just role players but if they are always defensively aware and can react appropriately, they will always have a job somewhere and the coach will always have ice time for them.
Exactly this, not every player has elite hockey sense. As someone who grew up playing, but as a young player was never a very good skater, etc, I was pudgy as a kid, then stretched so I was always a bit awkard on my skates, and clearly not being the best athlete, in order to play I had to learn to play within the game.

I had to develop my hockey sense to keep up, because my physical traits would not allow me to. What's interesting, is the kids who were elite skaters, fast, stronger often didn't go far because they could dominate simply on atheleticism, they never developed their game sense.

As I got older I got better, I never went further than Junior B in Canada because I didn't think I really could, although looking back maybe I might of had I committed. Reason being, a few of my friends have been drafted.

I play occasionally in some of their "pro skates' in the summer. One of the players a few years back, in the dressing room (who people would know) asked me, hey, where did you play. When I told him only Junior B, he said "WHAT?" and was surprised I only played at that level. It was the best compliment I ever have received as a player, but it was because he could see how well I read the game and anticipated. Its because that's the only thing I could develop as a kid!

Now, I'm under no impression I could have gone pro, my skating while very good for most people is nothing compared to these guys. You skate next to a pro and a solid skater feels like a pony next to a thoroughbread (and most of these guys never got a sniff other than being drafted or playing in the minors).

Anyways, long story short, to be elite in hockey, you've GOT to have hockey sense. You can actually get away with not being the greatest skated (Sedin's, Robataille, Hull, others) but one thing they ALL have is game sense.

I am wondering if Byfield is like Jake Virtanen that way. So much raw athleticism, never developed his hockey sense. Bette than JV but not worthy of 2nd overall.

As someone who hasn't seen him play much curious about that.
 

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3-4 year????! What the f***? You realize how bad it sounds that a second overall player NEEDS 5 years to become an impact player ?

If you think that’s fine then that means he never should have went second overall. More like 15-20 overall.

Those youngsters have to compete with fully grown adults who play NHL since 10 years.
Expecting a twick 20 year old to defeat those guys is pure delusion.

Also we have 3-4 years left until our window opens since we need Kopitar and Doughty gone.
We have all the time in the world
 
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People said this about Puljujarvi, Kravtsov, Yakupov, and countless other disappointments.

Byfield looks more like them, than he does a star in the NHL IMO.

If I were LA I would try to trade him to Toronto as a package for Matthews.
Not the same situation. None of those players have the same development curve or body type/upside. I see how you can group him in with them but its not the same.

However if he is available as a sens fan id offer Debrincat 1 for 1.
 
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Not the same situation. None of those players have the same development curve or body type/upside. I see how you can group him in with them but its not the same.

However if he is available as a sens fan id offer Debrincat 1 for 1.

He'd be a waste in Ottawa, and especially at that cost. Ottawa needs a scoring winger more than another center.. even if it's not DeBrincat himself.

As I mentioned before, he reminds me a lot of Logan Brown in more ways than one. Probably a better comparison than the rest. Though, Puljujarvi isn't that off either. All players with skill, who people made excuses for as they were growing. In reality, they are/were all just missing "it" between the ears.
 

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It took tage thompson until his D+5 year to show any productivity

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He'd be a waste in Ottawa, and especially at that cost. Ottawa needs a scoring winger more than another center.. even if it's not DeBrincat himself.

As I mentioned before, he reminds me a lot of Logan Brown in more ways than one. Probably a better comparison than the rest. Though, Puljujarvi isn't that off either. All players with skill, who people made excuses for as they were growing. In reality, they are/were all just missing "it" between the ears.
He is an incredible skater with a terrific motor. Nothing like Logan Brown. He can play wing and center He played on L.A's first line in the playoffs. I dont think you watched him very much based on your description.

The sens actually need wingers that have great motors and who are hard on the forcheck. You know that Byfield is 20 years old right. He has a late birthday. A month away from being the next draft year. Big body who has visibly gotten better each year. Lost lots of development time with covid and isn't remotely close to growing into his body.

Debrincat is actually a terrible fit on Ottawa. Especially at the price tag he is looking for. He can't drive a line and the sens have two players with similar skill sets on way better contracts.
 

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He is an incredible skater with a terrific motor. Nothing like Logan Brown. He can play wing and center He played on L.A's first line in the playoffs. I dont think you watched him very much based on your description.

The sens actually need wingers that have great motors and who are hard on the forcheck. You know that Byfield is 20 years old right. He has a late birthday. A month away from being the next draft year. Big body who has visibly gotten better each year. Lost lots of development time with covid and isn't remotely close to growing into his body.

Debrincat is actually a terrible fit on Ottawa. Especially at the price tag he is looking for. He can't drive a line and the sens have two players with similar skill sets on way better contracts.
He could have seized the moment without Norris, he didn’t. Norris is going to take goals and looks away from him on the power play.

Call me naive, I’d rather the puck on Norris’ stuck for the last shot of a game than Cat’s.
 
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I think thats horseshit.

Is it? The LA brain trust actively sabotages the development of their prospects at the expense of pretty much everything else.

The Kings are a veteran country club. That’s their priority. Blake has yet to draft and develop a bluechip prospect despite picking in the top ten multiple times.

Maybe Clarke will be that guy, though. But not if Blake can’t bring himself to part with Durzi, Walker, and the rest of the funky bunch.
 

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Is it? The LA brain trust actively sabotages the development of their prospects at the expense of pretty much everything else.

The Kings are a veteran country club. That’s their priority. Blake has yet to draft and develop a bluechip prospect despite picking in the top ten multiple times.

Maybe Clarke will be that guy, though. But not if Blake can’t bring himself to part with Durzi, Walker, and the rest of the funky bunch.

I think you are being a little overdramatic.

Im not a fan of Blake or McClellan but I dont feel that they are actively sabotaging our prospects.

I think that they are guilty of trying to have their cake and eat it too. They are trying to keep bums on seats by being competitive (and keep the senior citizens on the team happy) and also insulate prospects until they are ready.

Unfortunately three of our more recent top picks have been hampered by injury. They probably mishandled Turcotte by bringing him up too early but both Vilardi and Byfield have been pretty unlucky.

They've had a combination of back issues, concussions, mono, broken ankle, covid etc. Which obviously delays (possibly limits) their development.

Being patient with Vilardi has worked and I think it will work with Byfield. Even Turcotte has a chance if he can stay healthy.

I think criticism is fair of Blake in regards to over insulating guys, some players need to be the big dog and take ownership of the role and the team, that cant be easy to do with both Kopitar and Danault breathing over your shoulder.

I dont like the roster construction at present and especially the dopey D decisions but if LA stall again this year without developing our top young guys, you have to think Rob and Luc will get the embroidered bag and Byfield will get a chance to develop here with new decision makers
 

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Habs offer 5th OA for Byfield. 1 for 1
I'd take that if I'm LA. Not because I dislike Byfield, but I really like some players at the top of the draft and if either of them fall, that's going to be a great long term investment.
 

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