Value of: Quinton Byfield

[Kurrilino]

...cuz you was wildly off base, maybe??...

NO, you ignored my answer.

Your guys mental gymnastics to twists facts are on Simone Biles level.
You even see it on paper in front of your eyes and still deny it

 

[RandV]

You guys really come up with the weirdest self made statistics.
There is nothing like a points per imaginary 82 games.

He ha an average of 60+ points per season and nothing else counts.
Pace and what could/would be, are no real statistics, otherwise i would claim in those imaginary games he would score 4 own goals per game.

Also not counting a streak is funny to me, since he only had a single PPG+ season with 92 points which was outstanding and never repeated.
The stats over the last 3 years are also super inflated since every team in Pacific but Edmonton and Vegas is on AHL level

Going strictly by numbers per season, not including the current, Kopitar has 9 seasons below 70 points and 9 seasons equal to or above 90 points. And for the below level that includes his rookie year plus the lockout & covid year where he was easily trending 70+ points, which would flip it to 11 seasons of 70+ and 7 seasons < 70.

I mean honestly I never heard of a '60 point player' who has 1256 career NHL points and counting.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

NO, you ignored my answer.

Your guys mental gymnastics to twists facts are on Simone Biles level.
You even see it on paper in front of your eyes and still deny it

...no, YOU ignored what YOU said to try and move the goalposts...YOU said about Kopitar: "He is a 60+ point center..."...YOUR words, not anyone else's...and when you were proven inaccurate, YOU made it into a personal attack instead of a reply/rebuttal of the facts given to you...sorry, amigo; go play the victim elsewhere...

 

[Unbiased Fan]

If Dobson is moved a deal around Clarke would make sense imo. Byfield could be a 2nd piece but I think NYI would need to add a good amount.

Fit wise I think Buffalo makes alot of sense. Kings fans will hate it but I think Cozens style of play really fits the kings identity and a deal around those 2 could be something LA looks at and thinks Cozens would fit in better for their team. Byram is another notable fit for LA

 

[nbwingsfan]

Not sure what to say here.....

Maybe we have different definitions of what PPG is.
In reality PPG is Point Per Game

Now you explain me how 76 points in 82 games is PPG.

Do you have it the other way around? 82 games per 76 points?
This would be GPP and a really weird statistic.

Also the 60pt pace is nothing nothing to highlight.
It is the opposite, if you ask for leagues top money but score half the points of $6 mill players

…. Do you need to learn what the definition of “around” means?

 

[nbwingsfan]

You guys really come up with the weirdest self made statistics.
There is nothing like a points per imaginary 82 games.

He ha an average of 60+ points per season and nothing else counts.
Pace and what could/would be, are no real statistics, otherwise i would claim in those imaginary games he would score 4 own goals per game.

Also not counting a streak is funny to me, since he only had a single PPG+ season with 92 points which was outstanding and never repeated.
The stats over the last 3 years are also super inflated since every team in Pacific but Edmonton and Vegas is on AHL level

In 20/21 do you consider the play of Nathan MacKinnon just a 60 pt player?

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Why would LA trade Byfield? He's 22 and signed until 2029, that's a commitment that he's owning up to, he's been great for LA

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Why would LA trade Byfield? He's 22 and signed until 2029, that's a commitment that he's owning up to, he's been great for LA

If they think they can get better value in a trade than what he’ll be in the future.

 

[Trash Panda]

Where did I say that?

He is going in because he is the first Slovenian impact player, which is a major accomplishment, his incredible longevity of consistent, very good hockey, and the major contribution to two Cups. He is NOT going in based on being a superlative offensive player or a catalyst. This is not a "star" - he is habitually labeled as underrated because he simply never qualified for those things people "rate".

And that's all nonsense anyway. Any team would have been better off for having him, but there is a laundry list of issues he has presented that have done actual harm to the team.

Its all well and good to play matchup hockey with the likes of Thornton, Sedin and Getzlaf, but you simply do not need to err on the side of defense when you are up against Langkows, Hanzals, Backes' and the like. The Kings have long suffered from offensive ineptitude because their best offensive player wouldn't push the pace or alter his game at all when they needed offense. Anze has NEVER adapted his game to the changing style of the sport, he has willingly stayed in 3rd gear.

No opposition has ever had to change their tactics to face Kopitar because they knew that the Kings best offensive weapon was going to focus on defense. It has continually allowed teams to use their shutdown lines and pairs against the Kings secondary offensive units and it just squashed them for years.

All those seasons of poor playoff matchups, low seedings without home ice, all that could have been avoided if Kopitar pushed for 90 points instead of accepting high 60s and saw wven slightly better regular season success. He had the ability and chose not to use it. He cheated for defense over offense. Sure, it's more noble, but its still cheating an aspect of the game that the Kings were so poor at for soon long. He has been the best player on a niche team for a long time, got comfortable, and never gave more when needed.

His famous quote is "when everyone is good, no one has to be great", which is fantastic when you have Williams Richards, Carter, Brown and Gaborik. But when everyone isn't good, and you DO need your best to be great to succeed, Anze never once stepped up. He stayed at the same, consistently very good, solid level.

He AND the team would have been better off if he tried harder and burned out at 35 instead of holding back and still being a middle of the pack first line center for this long.

Matchup hockey against the like of Thornton, Sedin, and Getzlaf while producing at a .8-.9 PPG rate doesn’t put you in the “HHOF of longevity and nationality”, It makes you a better player, and more valuable piece than any of those three players ever could hope to be. Ask Vancouver how much higher seeding they would trade for playoff success.

Has Kopitar ever drove the ship for playoff success single handedly? Absolutely not, but there isn’t a single player in NHL history who has. Hockey is a team sport, and good teams have good supporting cast.

The only prime centers that are a clear cut above Anze in drive & production are truly generational talents. Kings fans are going to probably go the rest of their lives and never have a center half as good as Kopi.

I’m also saying this as a guy who completely supported the “Trade Kopi in 2015” movement, but not for nearly the same reasoning as most.

 

[Schmooley]

If Dobson is moved a deal around Clarke would make sense imo. Byfield could be a 2nd piece but I think NYI would need to add a good amount.

Fit wise I think Buffalo makes alot of sense. Kings fans will hate it but I think Cozens style of play really fits the kings identity and a deal around those 2 could be something LA looks at and thinks Cozens would fit in better for their team. Byram is another notable fit for LA

Kings wont trade Clarke and Byfield for Dobson. Theres not a chance they trade Byfield right now. Hes been getting more minutes from Kopitar and is about to be the number 1 center. At this rate he will get the tough matchups in the playoffs.
If he fails to take the next step and is still inconsistent next year at this time then the rumors should begin.
I can see them moving Clarke though.

If they think they can get better value in a trade than what he’ll be in the future.

There is no one available for trade right now that has that value. Especially in a 1 for 1 hockey trade.
Not sure why there is talk about it on here because there are no rumors of him being moved and Hiller has been leaning on him pretty heavily lately.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Kings wont trade Clarke and Byfield for Dobson. Theres not a chance they trade Byfield right now. Hes been getting more minutes from Kopitar and is about to be the number 1 center. At this rate he will get the tough matchups in the playoffs.
If he fails to take the next step and is still inconsistent next year at this time then the rumors should begin.
I can see them moving Clarke though.

There is no one available for trade right now that has that value. Especially in a 1 for 1 hockey trade.
Not sure why there is talk about it on here because there are no rumors of him being moved and Hiller has been leaning on him pretty heavily lately.

Maybe reread what I said. Never said Dobson for both.

 

[Rorschach]

My take is this: all of the talk about whether Kopitar is just a 60+ point player or whatever is completely moot. For the two playoff runs where the Kings won, he was PPG. In a 7 game series with both teams being close to equal, I believe he would shut down the other player including someone like MacKinnon.

That's the difference. He scores more than the other center in the series while neutralizing him.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

My take is this: all of the talk about whether Kopitar is just a 60+ point player or whatever is completely moot. For the two playoff runs where the Kings won, he was PPG. In a 7 game series with both teams being close to equal, I believe he would shut down the other player including someone like MacKinnon.

That's the difference. He scores more than the other center in the series while neutralizing him.

Bergeron made a career of it as well. Even shut down Malkin/Crosby.

Highly underrated, he and Kopitar head to head with other elite centers.

 

[chris kontos]

Rob blake, upon advisement from bergevin says: "we WANT josh anderson for byfield and will throw in kempe" " we feel josh is a kings type forward and bergy has wanted him for a long time"

 

[Kurrilino]

In 20/21 do you consider the play of Nathan MacKinnon just a 60 pt player?

Did you just miss the part of self made statistics to squeeze you view on other people???
I clearly state that Kopitar is a 60+ point per season average player.

Now calculate McKinnons average and then ask me the same question?

My take is this: all of the talk about whether Kopitar is just a 60+ point player or whatever is completely moot. For the two playoff runs where the Kings won, he was PPG. In a 7 game series with both teams being close to equal, I believe he would shut down the other player including someone like MacKinnon.

That's the difference. He scores more than the other center in the series while neutralizing him.

You must be kidding or not watching the Kings playoff.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Rob blake, upon advisement from bergevin says: "we WANT josh anderson for byfield and will throw in kempe" " we feel josh is a kings type forward and bergy has wanted him for a long time"

...Habs'll even throw in Gallagher & Dvorak, just cuz we're nice...

 

[Kurrilino]

...no, YOU ignored what YOU said to try and move the goalposts...YOU said about Kopitar: "He is a 60+ point center..."...YOUR words, not anyone else's...and when you were proven inaccurate, YOU made it into a personal attack instead of a reply/rebuttal of the facts given to you...sorry, amigo; go play the victim elsewhere...

Well, you problem is that Kopitar is a 60+ point center
I just called you out because you declared he is not by adding imaginary games to your statistics

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Well, you problem is that Kopitar is a 60+ point center
I just called you out because you declared he is not by adding imaginary games to your statistics

 

[Kurrilino]

…. Do you need to learn what the definition of “around” means?

Do you need to re read that the word "around" was never used by me.
I see a PPG as the bare minimum for a 1st line center anyways.
Being close to bare miminum isn't getting you anywhere if winning the cup is your target.
If this player then asks for leagues top money, you have a severe mismatch that cripples your team.

 

[unicornpig]

This is flat out lying.

He is a 60+ point center who scored PPG exactly 1 time his career.
Of course the season right before his contract renewal.

He is actually the main reason for being in a lower scoring environment.
He never clicks with real talented players and the reason for his point production the last years
is that Kempe started to play hockey by himself.

If you pair him with any other winger on our team he will drop down to 40 points in no time.

christ you should be embarrased to be a kings. in fact im embarrassed for you.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Do you need to re read that the word "around" was never used by me.
I see a PPG as the bare minimum for a 1st line center anyways.
Being close to bare miminum isn't getting you anywhere if winning the cup is your target.
If this player then asks for leagues top money, you have a severe mismatch that cripples your team.

 

[chris kontos]

christ you should be embarrased to be a kings. in fact im embarrassed for you.

The kings are an embarrassment
For generations

 

[nbwingsfan]

Do you need to re read that the word "around" was never used by me.
I see a PPG as the bare minimum for a 1st line center anyways.
Being close to bare miminum isn't getting you anywhere if winning the cup is your target.
If this player then asks for leagues top money, you have a severe mismatch that cripples your team.

That’s a awesome, but I did, in the comment you responded to calling me a liar.

In 15/16 there were exactly 2 PPG C in the entire NHL. So only Crosby and Thornton were 1st line centers that season?

Kopitar wasn’t a 1st line C with 74pts (which was 4th highest among all Cs)?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Did you just miss the part of self made statistics to squeeze you view on other people???
I clearly state that Kopitar is a 60+ point per season average player.

Now calculate McKinnons average and then ask me the same question?


You must be kidding or not watching the Kings playoff.

Crosby is only an 82pt player average player then

Tyler Seguin is only a 52pt player then

MacKinnon is only an 82pt player for his career then, right?

Do you see how stupid it is to ignore lockout/covid shortened seasons and injury seasons as their “career average” or are you still choosing to die on this hill?

 

[Gregor Samsa]

There are no 1st line caliber centers in the NHL

There, I said it