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MBH said:
Larkin for Byfield.
Kings can't go into the playoffs with Blake Lizotte and Rasmus Kupari as the 3 and 4C.
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So trade our 20 year old future top line center that is starting to show his promise for a 6 million dollar UFA. Better fill your pen with ink because every LA fan will want to sign off on this.

No cap space, no future, Kings are building for future. NO THANK YOU.
 
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funky said:
So trade our 20 year old future top line center that is starting to show his promise for a 6 million dollar UFA. Better fill your pen with ink because every LA fan will want to sign off on this.

No cap space, no future, Kings are building for future. NO THANK YOU.
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Fair enough.
Just don't pretend you're a team for the present.
 
funky said:
So trade our 20 year old future top line center that is starting to show his promise for a 6 million dollar UFA. Better fill your pen with ink because every LA fan will want to sign off on this.

No cap space, no future, Kings are building for future. NO THANK YOU.
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I feel like Byfield for a signed Larkin would make some sense.

But, yeah.
 
MBH said:
Only real move you'd have to make in the offseason is to dump Iafalo.

It's really a question of faith in Byfield to become a legit top 6 center.

As a Byfield fan, I have faith. I see enough there.
I know some Kings fans don't.
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I think Byfield will be a great player, but realistically LA’s window isn’t a couple years off it is now.

Larkin, Danault and Kopitar for this year and next is center depth that is unrivaled in the West outside of Edmonton and even then Danault and Kopi matching up against the big guys and leaving Larkin to prosper is tantalizing.
 
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Kopitar's resurgence is in large part due to Byfield and I literally just posted evidence. Trading him for another C at this point just for a quick hopeful kick at the can is some fantasy bullshit.

The deliberate ignorance on this forum reaches new highs every day.

MBH said:
Larkin for Byfield.
Kings can't go into the playoffs with Blake Lizotte and Rasmus Kupari as the 3 and 4C.
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Haaaaave you seen our GM and coach?

I'm not convinced they aren't going to sign Nate Thompson out of the AHL for this
 
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Kings could certainly find a third center at a cheaper price than Byfield.

Hell, Byfield could just be that center. Our most dangerous line this year was Iafallo - Byfield - Vilardi before Byfield got sick and was sent down.

They could also keep Lizotte at 4C where he belongs and play one of Kupari or Turcotte there. Kupari is already one of our best penalty killers.
 
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I remember one scout comparing him before the draft to Keith Primeau. I think this is what he will end up being. Never or seldom a PPG-player. But a NHL captain and an Olympic player for Canada (or alternately World cup) as well as a terror to match-up against.

The best thing for Byfield would be to experience a deep run in the playoffs this year.
 
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1. Almost w/o exception, league wide there are no sacred cows. Historically even Gretzky got traded. So theoretically almost anybody COULD be dealt IF IF IF there wuz enuf on the table.

2. Byfield is a premium aside with superior, possibly elite upside. He is not going anywhere unless the return is worth it.

3. LA does have signif # of pivots, and Kopitar could, if not worn down from overuse, give a solid 3 years past this season. So that part of the equation is not an issue.

I don't see Chych 1:1 ish as enuf.
I see Chych ++ as possibly enuf

Rough first draft:
1) NYR-OTT
a) Shesty + Hajek
for
Sanderson + Talbot
Sens get Vezina. NYR gets young stud LD. Complementary secondary players swap.
OTT improves acceleration to compete. Rs get necessary cap relief, gambling that Talbot, who played well here including under G guru coach Allaire, along with Halak, while Garand arrives next year.

b) LaF + Henrikson + Korzack
for
Pinto + Grieg
LaF is not gonna be Jagr. He will be Steve Vickers esp if he gets correct linemates a la eye test confirms w/kid line. LaF is a MAJOR biz coup acquisition esp since Sens are one upping regional rival Habs.
Add to LaF [1OA], Hen was a 2nd 58OA and Korczak was a 3rd rounder 75OA both are elc contracts.
Grieg [28OA] and Pinto [32OA] also elcs
Performance value remains to be seen as to who hits their ceiling, but regardless, LaF acquisition is big $$$ maker for Sens team getting sold.

c) Zaitzev 4.5 expires next yr retained to 3.5 for prospects/cap dumps totaling ballpark 3.5 =
Carpenter 750k + Brodzinski 762,500 + Pajuniemi 883,750 + Leschshyn 766,667.
This is a backscratch. NY does not want Zait. Howev, above 2 deals, while good value for both, help NY hurt OTT w/cap. Thread at this forum said Sens would give prospect/pick to move Zait. This largely does that. Prospects can be flipped.

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that now brings us to 3 way...

LA gives up: Byfield
LA gets: Chych, Kravtsov, Valimaki, Robertson, Zaitzev max retained to 1.75
summary: surrenders a top C prospect for immediate 1LD + 2 quality LD prospects + stopgap cheap LD. All LD are w/size as per Kings pref. Kravtsov was 9OA, according to EdJovo has stats that compare favorably w/bread at similar period, should help w/instant W contribute and has played pivot in international and, looking like a young Jean Ratelle, could be a long term C successor to Kopi.

AZ gives up: Chych, Valimaki, returns NYR 2025 2nd
AZ gets: Lindgren, Grieg, Goodrow, Lindbom, better of NYR/Dal 2023 1st, also NYR 2024 1st
summary: Lindgren steps in, solid value at 3 per likely can be extended, and is a ballpark 20OA 1st value. Grieg a 1st value helps also w/F needs, as does Goodrow. Lindbom was a 2nd rounder, 39OA. Started late. Valued high by Allaire to be picked so high. Potential competitor for 'yotes netminder in the near future.

NY gives up: Lindgren, Kravtsov, Grieg, Zaitzev max retained to 1.75
NY gets: Byfield, NYR 2025 2nd
summary: ny moves on, consolidates, has cap control to extend, not bridge, both KAM + chytil

nyr
bread - Tro - Vesey
Kreider - Zib - Tara
Byfield - Chytil - Kakko
Cuylle - Pinto - Gauthier
reserve: Rydahl

Sanderson - Fox
KAM - Trouba
Harpur/Mikkola* - Schneider
supplanted by Scanlin next yr
 
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MBH said:
Fair enough.
Just don't pretend you're a team for the present.
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I think most kings fans know LA is not in win now mode (how can you be with Copley as your #1?).
Once Vialrdi is back I could see QB going back to 3rd line center.
 
bernmeister said:
1. Almost w/o exception, league wide there are no sacred cows. Historically even Gretzky got traded. So theoretically almost anybody COULD be dealt IF IF IF there wuz enuf on the table.

2. Byfield is a premium aside with superior, possibly elite upside. He is not going anywhere unless the return is worth it.

3. LA does have signif # of pivots, and Kopitar could, if not worn down from overuse, give a solid 3 years past this season. So that part of the equation is not an issue.

I don't see Chych 1:1 ish as enuf.
I see Chych ++ as possibly enuf

Rough first draft:
1) NYR-OTT
a) Shesty + Hajek
for
Sanderson + Talbot
Sens get Vezina. NYR gets young stud LD. Complementary secondary players swap.
OTT improves acceleration to compete. Rs get necessary cap relief, gambling that Talbot, who played well here including under G guru coach Allaire, along with Halak, while Garand arrives next year.

b) LaF + Henrikson + Korzack
for
Pinto + Grieg
LaF is not gonna be Jagr. He will be Steve Vickers esp if he gets correct linemates a la eye test confirms w/kid line. LaF is a MAJOR biz coup acquisition esp since Sens are one upping regional rival Habs.
Add to LaF [1OA], Hen was a 2nd 58OA and Korczak was a 3rd rounder 75OA both are elc contracts.
Grieg [28OA] and Pinto [32OA] also elcs
Performance value remains to be seen as to who hits their ceiling, but regardless, LaF acquisition is big $$$ maker for Sens team getting sold.

c) Zaitzev 4.5 expires next yr retained to 3.5 for prospects/cap dumps totaling ballpark 3.5 =
Carpenter 750k + Brodzinski 762,500 + Pajuniemi 883,750 + Leschshyn 766,667.
This is a backscratch. NY does not want Zait. Howev, above 2 deals, while good value for both, help NY hurt OTT w/cap. Thread at this forum said Sens would give prospect/pick to move Zait. This largely does that. Prospects can be flipped.

_________________________

that now brings us to 3 way...

LA gives up: Byfield
LA gets: Chych, Kravtsov, Valimaki, Robertson, Zaitzev max retained to 1.75
summary: surrenders a top C prospect for immediate 1LD + 2 quality LD prospects + stopgap cheap LD. All LD are w/size as per Kings pref. Kravtsov was 9OA, according to EdJovo has stats that compare favorably w/bread at similar period, should help w/instant W contribute and has played pivot in international and, looking like a young Jean Ratelle, could be a long term C successor to Kopi.

AZ gives up: Chych, Valimaki, returns NYR 2025 2nd
AZ gets: Lindgren, Grieg, Goodrow, Lindbom, better of NYR/Dal 2023 1st, also NYR 2024 1st
summary: Lindgren steps in, solid value at 3 per likely can be extended, and is a ballpark 20OA 1st value. Grieg a 1st value helps also w/F needs, as does Goodrow. Lindbom was a 2nd rounder, 39OA. Started late. Valued high by Allaire to be picked so high. Potential competitor for 'yotes netminder in the near future.

NY gives up: Lindgren, Kravtsov, Grieg, Zaitzev max retained to 1.75
NY gets: Byfield, NYR 2025 2nd
summary: ny moves on, consolidates, has cap control to extend, not bridge, both KAM + chytil

nyr
bread - Tro - Vesey
Kreider - Zib - Tara
Byfield - Chytil - Kakko
Cuylle - Pinto - Gauthier
reserve: Rydahl

Sanderson - Fox
KAM - Trouba
Harpur/Mikkola* - Schneider
supplanted by Scanlin next yr
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YP44 said:
I think most kings fans know LA is not in win now mode (how can you be with Copley as your #1?).
Once Vialrdi is back I could see QB going back to 3rd line center.
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If anything, to give some goodwill to the forum, LA is trying to do both and as such doing neither.

Are they win now? Probably not, or Blake needed to address the G/LHD pipeline before now.

Are they win-later? Probably not, or they wouldn't have so many vets blocking so many kids.

I don't blame anyone for trying to make trades to satisfy either one since the organization isn't broadcasting a clear path.

I just blame them for "lol Quittin Bustfield" trash lol
 
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MBH said:
Fair enough.
Just don't pretend you're a team for the present.
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????

We are no contender in any form or shape.

What happens the next 2 years beside prospect development is not of our concern..
Beside that, i wouldn't trade Byfield for the whole Red Wings team.
 
Cianide said:
1st center, 2nd center, physical d-man.
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I would see Byfield being the 1st center very soon
2nd center is done by Danauld/Kupari/Turcotte/Pinelli

So i am not concerned about the center position but i absolutely agree
on the defensive LD, which Bjornfot can become.

If we look for a d trade, it must be better than Bjornfot
 
bernmeister said:
1. Almost w/o exception, league wide there are no sacred cows. Historically even Gretzky got traded. So theoretically almost anybody COULD be dealt IF IF IF there wuz enuf on the table.

2. Byfield is a premium aside with superior, possibly elite upside. He is not going anywhere unless the return is worth it.

3. LA does have signif # of pivots, and Kopitar could, if not worn down from overuse, give a solid 3 years past this season. So that part of the equation is not an issue.

I don't see Chych 1:1 ish as enuf.
I see Chych ++ as possibly enuf

Rough first draft:
1) NYR-OTT
a) Shesty + Hajek
for
Sanderson + Talbot
Sens get Vezina. NYR gets young stud LD. Complementary secondary players swap.
OTT improves acceleration to compete. Rs get necessary cap relief, gambling that Talbot, who played well here including under G guru coach Allaire, along with Halak, while Garand arrives next year.

b) LaF + Henrikson + Korzack
for
Pinto + Grieg
LaF is not gonna be Jagr. He will be Steve Vickers esp if he gets correct linemates a la eye test confirms w/kid line. LaF is a MAJOR biz coup acquisition esp since Sens are one upping regional rival Habs.
Add to LaF [1OA], Hen was a 2nd 58OA and Korczak was a 3rd rounder 75OA both are elc contracts.
Grieg [28OA] and Pinto [32OA] also elcs
Performance value remains to be seen as to who hits their ceiling, but regardless, LaF acquisition is big $$$ maker for Sens team getting sold.

c) Zaitzev 4.5 expires next yr retained to 3.5 for prospects/cap dumps totaling ballpark 3.5 =
Carpenter 750k + Brodzinski 762,500 + Pajuniemi 883,750 + Leschshyn 766,667.
This is a backscratch. NY does not want Zait. Howev, above 2 deals, while good value for both, help NY hurt OTT w/cap. Thread at this forum said Sens would give prospect/pick to move Zait. This largely does that. Prospects can be flipped.

_________________________

that now brings us to 3 way...

LA gives up: Byfield
LA gets: Chych, Kravtsov, Valimaki, Robertson, Zaitzev max retained to 1.75
summary: surrenders a top C prospect for immediate 1LD + 2 quality LD prospects + stopgap cheap LD. All LD are w/size as per Kings pref. Kravtsov was 9OA, according to EdJovo has stats that compare favorably w/bread at similar period, should help w/instant W contribute and has played pivot in international and, looking like a young Jean Ratelle, could be a long term C successor to Kopi.

AZ gives up: Chych, Valimaki, returns NYR 2025 2nd
AZ gets: Lindgren, Grieg, Goodrow, Lindbom, better of NYR/Dal 2023 1st, also NYR 2024 1st
summary: Lindgren steps in, solid value at 3 per likely can be extended, and is a ballpark 20OA 1st value. Grieg a 1st value helps also w/F needs, as does Goodrow. Lindbom was a 2nd rounder, 39OA. Started late. Valued high by Allaire to be picked so high. Potential competitor for 'yotes netminder in the near future.

NY gives up: Lindgren, Kravtsov, Grieg, Zaitzev max retained to 1.75
NY gets: Byfield, NYR 2025 2nd
summary: ny moves on, consolidates, has cap control to extend, not bridge, both KAM + chytil

nyr
bread - Tro - Vesey
Kreider - Zib - Tara
Byfield - Chytil - Kakko
Cuylle - Pinto - Gauthier
reserve: Rydahl

Sanderson - Fox
KAM - Trouba
Harpur/Mikkola* - Schneider
supplanted by Scanlin next yr
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Sending Byfield to NYR would be a giant waste of his talent. You have failed to develop 4 top 7 forward picks in the last several years so Byfield would just rot there. NY gives up a bunch of crap to get Byfield, hilarious post.
 
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Kurrilino said:
I would see Byfield being the 1st center very soon
2nd center is done by Danauld/Kupari/Turcotte/Pinelli

So i am not concerned about the center position but i absolutely agree
on the defensive LD, which Bjornfot can become.

If we look for a d trade, it must be better than Bjornfot
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You need a defensive LD you say? Well my friend, I have just the one for you...

Ben Chiarot!

Because good guy GM Steve Yzerman is suuuuch a good guy, he'll give Chiarot to his old buddies Blake and Robataille for future considerations!
 
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