Player Discussion Quinn Hughes, Pt. VII

[PuckMunchkin]

I could stand corrected, but other than the Sedins and the Steamer, Stan Smyl, I'm trouble remembering anyone who spent their entire NHL career as a Vancouver Canuck. And retired with the blue and green still on their backs.

One reason for this is that we have no cups.

The players go chase them elsewhere.

But Quinn Hughes needs to be the 'fourth' lifetime Canuck. Back up the Brinks truck, and give him whatever he wants. He's the franchise's first Norris Trophy winner and an automatic first ballot Hall-of-Famer, if he stays healthy.

It's a complete 'no brainer' that he spends his entire career in Vancouver.

 

[bh53]

I could stand corrected, but other than the Sedins and the Steamer, Stan Smyl, I'm trouble remembering anyone who spent their entire NHL career as a Vancouver Canuck. And retired with the blue and green still on their backs.

But Quinn Hughes needs to be the 'fourth' lifetime Canuck. Back up the Brinks truck, and give him whatever he wants. He's the franchise's first Norris Trophy winner and an automatic first ballot Hall-of-Famer, if he stays healthy.

It's a complete 'no brainer' that he spends his entire career in Vancouver.

Yup

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The highest scorer out of those 3 mentioned and isn't a Canuck currently (Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes) is Dennis Kearns. Followed by Gary Lupul, Ivan Hlinka, Jiri Bubla. After that it is Jake Virtanen lol. The goalie with the most outside of Demko is Frank Caprice and, to be honest, I have no idea who Kaprice is.

 

[HockeyWooot]

They need to prioritise resigning Quinn Hughes, but doubt he’s in a rush to do so unless we can show some relative progress in the post season.

 

[Jroach]

They need to prioritise resigning Quinn Hughes, but doubt he’s in a rush to do so unless we can show some relative progress in the post season.

Does he become the highest paid d-man in NHL history? Has to be at least 12 mil AAV, you'd think. I think 12 would quite honestly be a discount compared to his effectiveness.

 

[Lupuls Grit]

Yup

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The highest scorer out of those 3 mentioned and isn't a Canuck currently (Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes) is Dennis Kearns. Followed by Gary Lupul, Ivan Hlinka, Jiri Bubla. After that it is Jake Virtanen lol. The goalie with the most outside of Demko is Frank Caprice and, to be honest, I have no idea who Kaprice is.

Gary Lupul!

 

[PavelBure10]

So irritating listening to East Coast fans on why Makar or even Werenski is better than Hughes in the Hughes for Hart thread. I am quite surprised Hughes won the Norris last season with so many yahoo's going against him.

 

[theguardianII]

So irritating listening to East Coast fans on why Makar or even Werenski is better than Hughes in the Hughes for Hart thread. I am quite surprised Hughes won the Norris last season with so many yahoo's going against him.

That is because the Norris has evolved to the highest scoring defenceman. They need something like the Selke for Dmen.
IMO the BEST Dman trophy should be the Orr Cup. No other Dman has had six 100 pt seasons, won the scoring title twice and had a +124 and multiple +80 +/- seasons.
Maybe flawed to some people but a +/- that big does indicate good defence.

A bad +/- shows that even with the players point total he was on the ice for that total and the minus.
So Boeser has 35 points and is a -15, so he has been on the ice for 50 goals against while involved in scoring 35, still 50 against isn't great especially as they count PP & PK GF points as a plus but they don't count PK GA points against.

 

[Kickassguy]

Does he become the highest paid d-man in NHL history? Has to be at least 12 mil AAV, you'd think. I think 12 would quite honestly be a discount compared to his effectiveness.

By the time his contract is up, 16 will be market value, 14 will be a discount, and 12 would be outright theft.

I'd give him 16 without batting an eye if that's what it takes, assuming the cap outlook stays rosy. He seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders and would be cognizant of the fact that he wants a competitive team around him to compete with, too, so I doubt he'll try to completely max out.

 

[geebster]

So irritating listening to East Coast fans on why Makar or even Werenski is better than Hughes in the Hughes for Hart thread. I am quite surprised Hughes won the Norris last season with so many yahoo's going against him.

It's because they saw Makar in the finals and only saw Hughes during the Canadian division (if at all). In hockey games that werent past their bedtimes, Makar has been great. They refuse to go past those old memories and their bias attached to the names. Its like people who argued a 50 year old Michael Jordan could beat a 30 year old Lebron 1 on 1, they see names and just turn their brain off.

There is no statistical argument for Makar being better offensively, being a more important factor for his team, being any good at all when Nate isnt on the ice, etc. The only argument for his defensive play is he penalty kills, but his 5 on 5 defensive numbers are worse than Hughes. A few posters in that thread have decided that Hughes is sheltered but then post stats that disprove their own point. Hughes plays more high quality of competition minutes each game than Makar or Werenski. But he also just plays a lot more 5 on 5 in general, so his % of high QoC minutes is lower than Makars... but there's only so many minutes in a game. Reminiscent of the PDO discussions really, people just don't get simple math. If the raw totals are wildly different, then ratios are a bad way to compare them (generally).

 

[theguardianII]

US anthem booed, how do US players playing in Canada feel?

Encouraged to sign here if they have a choice?

 

[rypper]

US anthem booed, how do US players playing in Canada feel?

Encouraged to sign here if they have a choice?

 

[nucks88]

US anthem booed, how do US players playing in Canada feel?

Encouraged to sign here if they have a choice?

I wonder how Canadian players playing in the US feel about Trump continually trolling Canada and threatening it’s sovereignty……American players have been showing a desire to leave Canadian teams to sign with US teams long before this latest clown show…..it would make me hesitate to pick an American over a Canadian or Euro if talent was even or close…. tough because Quinn is such a talent and stand up guy…..

 

[potatowejj]

Threatening the sovereignty of your closest neighbor, a major trading partner, and closest geopolitical ally is complete f*cking trash. Glad this question was asked from a reporter not afraid to ask the hard questions. Canadians have every reason to be infuriated.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

I wonder how Canadian players playing in the US feel about Trump continually trolling Canada and threatening it’s sovereignty……American players have been showing a desire to leave Canadian teams to sign with US teams long before this latest clown show…..it would make me hesitate to pick an American over a Canadian or Euro if talent was even or close…. tough because Quinn is such a talent and stand up guy…..

i’m not sure how these two ideas are connected?

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

i’m not sure how these two ideas are connected?

We add Makar. Oh wait he said close in talent. Jk sorry Kale.

 

[theguardianII]

Most clause contracts, NTC, NMC already have most of the Canadian cities listed in the no trade list if not all of them. Even Canadian players.
Booing the players is good? Just because they are born on the other side of the tracks?

Canadian players are NOT subjected to boo's in the States. And in most cities they don't get 24 hour coverage, less social media pressure, and for most a better tax situation.
A tax situation which will get much worse in the near future as the Canadian dollar goes to the 60+ cent range.

How about we keep this forum centralized on sports as much as possible and only bring up how outside politics affects players.

 

[rypper]

Booing the players is good? Just because they are born on the other side of the tracks?

They're not booing the players.

 

[theguardianII]

They're not booing the players.

No, just their families, where they live, their country that they play for.
Politics should not be part of these games.
How can they not take it personally? Aren't Canadians taking Trump's words personally?

Celebrate the sport.

 

[rypper]

No, just their families, where they live, their country that they play for.
Politics should not be part of these games.
How can they not take it personally? Aren't Canadians taking Trump's words personally?

Celebrate the sport.

They're booing the mango mussolini who is threatening the sovernity of their country. Any person should understand that, especially Americans who value patriotism more then most.

 

[potatowejj]

No, just their families, where they live, their country that they play for.
Politics should not be part of these games.
How can they not take it personally? Aren't Canadians taking Trump's words personally?

Celebrate the sport.

Oh boohoo to them then. Also lol @ "politics should not be a part of these games", ever heard of the Summit Series?

 

[I am toxic]

It's because they saw Makar in the finals and only saw Hughes during the Canadian division (if at all). In hockey games that werent past their bedtimes, Makar has been great. They refuse to go past those old memories and their bias attached to the names. Its like people who argued a 50 year old Michael Jordan could beat a 30 year old Lebron 1 on 1, they see names and just turn their brain off.

There is no statistical argument for Makar being better offensively, being a more important factor for his team, being any good at all when Nate isnt on the ice, etc. The only argument for his defensive play is he penalty kills, but his 5 on 5 defensive numbers are worse than Hughes. A few posters in that thread have decided that Hughes is sheltered but then post stats that disprove their own point. Hughes plays more high quality of competition minutes each game than Makar or Werenski. But he also just plays a lot more 5 on 5 in general, so his % of high QoC minutes is lower than Makars... but there's only so many minutes in a game. Reminiscent of the PDO discussions really, people just don't get simple math. If the raw totals are wildly different, then ratios are a bad way to compare them (generally).

 

[Pump n Dump]

The United States is showing disloyalty and contempt for a long time ally, economic partner and friend in an extraordinarily crass and flagrant way. Americans, as a nation, are responsible for this. It doesn't matter that a majority of them didn't vote for this administration. Everyone knew full well what this choice would mean and a large majority either voted for it or sat on their hands. , I have little sympathy for the feelings of individuals being hurt by hearing their anthem booed.

 

[theguardianII]

They're booing the mango mussolini who is threatening the sovernity of their country. Any person should understand that, especially Americans who value patriotism more then most.

Are you an American? Aren't you pissed at the US now and take it personally? But American players aren't allowed to?

Oh boohoo to them then. Also lol @ "politics should not be a part of these games", ever heard of the Summit Series?

Cold war my man. I watched the Summit Series as many did. "Better dead than Red", many other things as well. Did you have to do the "duck and cover" drills in school?

That was the first time ever the best of Canada played the Ruskies. USSR had won numerous WC and Olympics and Canada had been a door mat sending only amateurs.

"All In The Family" TV series was a hit. Not like anything like that can be on TV again.

The United States is showing disloyalty and contempt for a long time ally, economic partner and friend in an extraordinarily crass and flagrant way. Americans, as a nation, are responsible for this. It doesn't matter that a majority of them didn't vote for this administration. Everyone knew full well what this choice would mean and a large majority either voted for it or sat on their hands. , I have little sympathy for the feelings of individuals being hurt by hearing their anthem booed.

Many Canuck players may have voted in the US election. Canucks have 10 US players currently and then there are the wives, how many of those? Tell them to FU too if they don't like it?
Booing the anthem is not booing their elected officials, it is booing their country.
What if they go to management en-mass and demand trades?

If the booing continues and I expect it will get worse and players, the really good one's start deciding not to play here and a lot of Canadian born players, the really good ones still have Canada in the clauses then what?
This can escalate far beyond the game and hating a person's birthplace can lead to that. Remember over half of that country voted for this guy.
Might as well kick out all the Russians as well at the same time eh? They have an Ahole running that country.

Politics and sports used to be only on country basis internationally. Countries didn't send teams to compete or international bodies banned some countries.

Maybe the answer is to eliminate anthems for awhile and just have the game.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Maybe the answer is to eliminate anthems for awhile and just have the game.

all the rest of it i won’t touch but i can get behind this

i always thought going directly from a land acknowledgement to the national anthem made no sense anyway

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Remember over half of that country voted for this guy.

No it didn't.