Post-Game Talk: PS #6 - 09/28/19 | RANGERS @ islanders | 7:00 - MSG

[Shesterkybomb]

Sometimes I wish we didn't trade Hayes because he is the #2 center that we desperately need right now and trust me he is going to kill us this year. Looking at the long term I think having Trouba and Lemmy here will make a bigger impact.

7x7 sucks. He isnt worth that. Let the season play out and see what happens, we arent supposed to make the playoffs at this point so if we do it would be a huge accomplishment. I still feel Morgan Barron is our #2 C of the future.

 

[kovazub94]

Just as recent as a few weeks ago half of the board was ready to send Lias to Hartford and now there are cries out there of why is he not centering the second line. How about chill it with wild opinion swings and not put prospects in positions where they could fail? Andersson seems pretty comfortable being 3C which is a GREAT development in itself to start the season, so let him stay there for awhile, I’m sure there will be ups and downs throughout the season. This is why Strome (or Namestnikov) is a better option for 2C right now - the Rangers don’t need to worry about ruining his development.

Chytil might have the same development jump next season but for now he’s clearly suffering from lack of confidence and frustration from not performing to his and coaching staff expectations. Going to Hartford with Kravtsov seems to be the right plan for now IMHO. Howden should go too - McKegg and Smith are adequate for the 4th line and with only 3 games spread out in first two weeks I’d even go with 20 men roster. Smith is a GREAT in game option to go between F and D if needed.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Just as recent as a few weeks ago half of the board was ready to send Lias to Hartford and now there are cries out there of why is he not centering the second line. How about chill it with wild opinion swings and not put prospects in positions where they could fail? Andersson seems pretty comfortable being 3C which is a GREAT development in itself to start the season, so let him stay there for awhile, I’m sure there will be ups and downs throughout the season. This is why Strome (or Namestnikov) is a better option for 2C right now - the Rangers don’t need to worry about ruining his development.

Chytil might have the same development jump next season but for now he’s clearly suffering from lack of confidence and frustration from not performing to his and coaching staff expectations. Going to Hartford with Kravtsov seems to be the right plan for now IMHO. Howden should go too - McKegg and Smith are adequate for the 4th line and with only 3 games spread out in first two weeks I’d even go with 20 men roster. Smith is a GREAT in game option to go between F and D if needed.

Smith should never play D.

 

[Fugazy]

7x7 sucks. He isnt worth that. Let the season play out and see what happens, we arent supposed to make the playoffs at this point so if we do it would be a huge accomplishment. I still feel Morgan Barron is our #2 C of the future.

Agreed. I’d let Hayes walk 10/10 times rather than giving him the deal he got from Philly.

 

[Fitzy]

Strome is going to surprise people and be competent. And if he isn't, he's gonna be off the line pretty quick.

 

[chosen]

I like some of what Gorton is doing, don't get me wrong, but his biggest weakness has always been assuming camp goes perfect, nobody ever gets hurt, and he needs 12 players all year.

Have you heard him say this? If true, the minor league affiliate would have 3 players on their roster.

It's sort of nonsensical.

 

[chosen]

That's kind of my point.
There's zero reason for him not to have his full roster intact and ready to play at this point like nearly every other team.
He hasn't played any of the obvious line combos or players in their natural position all while calling for players to step up.
Kravstov on the left?
Chytil to the right??
Laughable
His system is complete garbage.
He sucks at match ups as witnessed tonight.
My question would be.. What has he done right thus far??

Amusing how many fans "know" that coaches stink. No matter the coach, many will say he's an idiot. If only a fan could run things from his recliner.

 

[kovazub94]

Smith should never play D.

What if there’s a mid-game injury?

 

[Fitzy]

What if there’s a mid-game injury?

Sure, coaches should be flexible. Still remember we were down to 3 blueliners one game and Torts ignored Brian Boyle when he mentioned he could play defense.

There is some utility in Smith's resume.

 

[kovazub94]

Sure, coaches should be flexible. Still remember we were down to 3 blueliners one game and Torts ignored Brian Boyle when he mentioned he could play defense.

There is some utility in Smith's resume.

I mean the idea is that Smith is at forward on the 4th line and then shifts to D only if there’s an injury on D or other similar in game situation (e.g. PK with 2 defensemen or another RD in the box).

As far as BB concerned, shifting a true forward to play D is not quite the same as moving D to F. I’d be skeptical too.

 

[Machinehead]

Have you heard him say this? If true, the minor league affiliate would have 3 players on their roster.

It's sort of nonsensical.

Have you heard Chiarelli say that he really likes trading superstars? Have you heard Nill say that he can't draft?

Our minor league affiliate has had like 3 players on it. For years now.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

What if there’s a mid-game injury?

He is not a good dman and takes a lot of penalties back there. Sure he can fill in but he isnt a good option. I'd take any of Hakek, Lindgren, Morrow over him any day of the week. I actually dont mind him up front on the 4th line for some grit.

 

[True Blue]

Smith should never play D.

Who would you rather play the 7th defensemans' role at a moment's notice?

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

So glad we left ourselves with one NHL center.

Are people really upset that a tank team still is missing apiece of two just one season later? I don't see this as a problem for at least another full season. That's why signing Panarin was dumb. It's very likely that by the time he's winding down our youth will finally be fitting comfortably into these roles. We'll see, I'm not giving up bc of preseason games

Sometimes I wish we didn't trade Hayes because he is the #2 center that we desperately need right now and trust me he is going to kill us this year. Looking at the long term I think having Trouba and Lemmy here will make a bigger impact.

What do we need him for? The team is not ready regardless of if he's here. Let the team suck. It's supposed to. I can't believe how many people didn't understand what this team was supposed to be this year. The existence of the panarin fanatics makes a lot more sense now.

He had them playing hard nearly every night last year and they over achieved until the last month when the wheels fell off after TDL. His use of this roster has been puzzling this pre season for sure. There is no reason that guys like Morrow, Haley, Letteri, Nieves, etc should have been here and playing in this game. None. The jury is still out on Quinn.

The jury is out bc of preseason game 6? That's why? Is that why Quinn was brought in here? Bc of preseason games? Games that have never and should never matter.

Quinn was hired because he was thought to be a good coach for the kids. If the kids dont progress, Quinn will be replaced next year.

You missed last season?

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Yes. And how he responds to that will tell us everything we need to know about his future in Blue. Frankly, if he complains, I will have had enough of him. We need the right culture.

Jesus

Queneville was available, I think Rangers should have snapped him up and demoted Quinn to Hartford.

tap dancing

I still don't see why they decided to keep Howden, they should have packaged him in a trade.

Christ

It's not really Quinn's fault. Too many guys need minor league time and there aren't enough bodies.

I like some of what Gorton is doing, don't get me wrong, but his biggest weakness has always been assuming camp goes perfect, nobody ever gets hurt, and he needs 12 players all year.

This is a 1 year ago tank team that only took on a few players to improve. It doesn't matter if players aren't perfectly ready to be complete, competitive pros.They're not even old enough to have been drinking for a year...or at all.

This is not supposed to be a playoff year folks. Part of that is there may be holes coming out of camp bc guys are still developing. To the first two trade happy reincarnations of the worst GM you could ever think of...Part of that is not trading away 20 and 21 year olds who can't keep up against the worlds best yet.

 

[Tawnos]

Agreed. I’d let Hayes walk 10/10 times rather than giving him the deal he got from Philly.

Me too, though I’d point out that we probably could have had him for $2m less if we resigned him in January.

I don’t think that would have been the right move either. Just interesting to think about.

Personally, I think it’s potentially better for the organization long-term to have that spot open this year. It’s a pretty big carrot.

 

[Leetch3]

Me too, though I’d point out that we probably could have had him for $2m less if we resigned him in January.

maybe january 2018 prior to giving him a 1 year deal. but zero chance he was signing for $5 mil per last january. if he was willing to he'd still be here imo

 

[Tawnos]

maybe january 2018 prior to giving him a 1 year deal. but zero chance he was signing for $5 mil per last january. if he was willing to he'd still be here imo

I don’t think the Rangers would have been interested in keeping him vs the opportunity to get something for him at the deadline.

 

[Leetch3]

I don’t think the Rangers would have been interested in keeping him vs the opportunity to get something for him at the deadline.

I think the lack of interest from the rangers was directly tied to the contract and cap hit, not that they didn't like hayes. if you significantly reduced that contract it changes the conversation.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Did cluterschmuck cheapshot Lindgren In the face last night?

 

[Tawnos]

I think the lack of interest from the rangers was directly tied to the contract and cap hit, not that they didn't like hayes. if you significantly reduced that contract it changes the conversation.

I never said they didn’t like Hayes. I said I think they saw him more valuable as a tradeable asset than a long-term component. Perfectly possible to like a player and still think that way.

At that point of the rebuild, and still at this point too, the only forwards it makes sense to sign long-term are 1st liners. Hayes is not that, thus the lack of interest. That makes it a contract decision, sure, but I don’t think it was a cap hit one. Maybe $2m was an exaggeration, but they still could have had him for significantly less than the Flyers signed him for.

 

[Leetch3]

It's not really Quinn's fault. Too many guys need minor league time and there aren't enough bodies.

I like some of what Gorton is doing, don't get me wrong, but his biggest weakness has always been assuming camp goes perfect, nobody ever gets hurt, and he needs 12 players all year.

not sure how you are possibly drawing the conclusion that quinn thinks we only need 12 players all year when thru 6 preseason games he has not dressed a full lineup once because he keeps rotating in the 17 or 18 forwards still in camp. he is doing literally the opposite of what you are saying.

 

[Doctyl]

Strome is going to surprise people and be competent. And if he isn't, he's gonna be off the line pretty quick.

He’s going to surprise a bunch of people by being the same player he has been for the 5 years before his fluke NYR stint

 

[ohbaby]

Haven't read anything in this thread, so if I am repeating some common observations on game 6, forgive me.

Thoughts on game 6....

I would have thought, as is usual, we would have been preparing our opening night roster. But it is obvious, Quinn is still taking a look at our depth and youngsters. He played mostly 3rd and 4th liners last night giving them a chance to make the roster. And for the most part, they played a very strong game against the NYI top lines. Quinn has some tough decisions. And I think due to only playing 3 games early on in a couple of weeks to start the season,... has allowed Quinn to extend his evaluations,... instead of finalizing an opening day roster.

I really liked what I saw from our 3rd and 4th liners last night. They competed hard and played great D. I can honestly say, we seem to have a good bunch from which to choose some pretty solid 3rd and 4th lines. They all seem to work hard. That said, I will be happy with whoever Quinn chooses to start the season on those lines. Cause they will mostly be interchangeable moving forward, and many that played last night will have plenty of opportunities during the season.

We still desperately need someone to fill the 2c spot,.. But I really like how we came together, to play well defensively 2 out of the last 3 games.

We still might be in preseason mode the first 2 or 3 games of the season, looking for line chemistry and such, but I will be ok with that. LGR!

 

[kovazub94]

He is not a good dman and takes a lot of penalties back there. Sure he can fill in but he isnt a good option. I'd take any of Hakek, Lindgren, Morrow over him any day of the week. I actually dont mind him up front on the 4th line for some grit.

Then I don’t get what point you were trying to make. I was saying keep Smith in the lineup as a 4th liner and in-game insurance in case something happens to a regular top-6D.