LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
That's amounted to a whole lot of nothing so far.
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EdJovanovski
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I want to see how he does a full season with us, I’m not going to judge him off that small sample size of the post deadline season
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
I'm also judging him off his lackluster production with the Lightning except for when he got to leech off of Stamkos and Kucherov.
EdJovanovski
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Yea I’m not saying he’s a star player but I think he’s a very good middle 6’er. I think it’s in similar vain to Jimmy Vesey where he’s overhated for not being a star considering he was the roster player we got back in the McDonagh/Miller Trade, and Vesey gets overhated because of the hype that surrounded him, when they both are very good mid-bottom 6 guys
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
, stick to the course.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Just trying to tie everything together.
Let’s say Vesey were to make the cut, is the belief and “word on the street” from the inter webs that if Vesey is in the top 9 one of the other “conensus” can’t miss prospects will be denied a roster spot ?
Let’s say Vesey were to make the cut, is the belief and “word on the street” from the inter webs that if Vesey is in the top 9 one of the other “conensus” can’t miss prospects will be denied a roster spot ?
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Yet Buch, who is more talented, younger, and has a higher ceiling is on your ****list.
Ok...
That’s actually a damn good question. Butler is garbage. Gropp and especially Fogarty, imo, have actuall legit NHL ceilings.
Butlers a career AHL’r.
GeorgeKaplan
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Namestnikov is what happens when you add Fast and spooner together and lose a little bit of both of them. I don’t really understand the hate for him, but I don’t understand a lot of passions for and against certain players on HF
I could only watch the first period tonight (thankfully) so my only comment is that in addition to his other skills, Chytil is a heck of a fore checker. He goes in, gets the puck and tries to do something. He has a chance to be special.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Yeah a lot of those head scratchers come down to the poster in question and their respective loneliness, impressionability, and overall tolerance for vitriol when going against the grain in regard to thoughts.
gravey9
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I love Chytil. And I do see some visual similarities to Jagr. But he's not JJ. I mean go back and watch Jagr. He had a lot of size and thickness and speed -- but his stickhandling and skating and shiftiness made him so elusive he could have been half his size and still been a star.
Chytil makes a big impact on a game. And he uses his body really well. Especially in the corners. And he's not totally filled out yet. He's skilled but he's not Jagr who was on par with Gretzky, McDavid, Leetch. He's much closer to a young Rick Nash but with slightly better vision and less speed. Young Nash looked like he was shot out of a cannon. If anything I think Kravstov's skill level is a few notches above Chytil's.
Kravtsov's skill level is a few notches above a guy you compare to a 40 goal scorer? Will he score 60 goals?
gravey9
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Whose talking about stats? Stats and skill level are two very different things.
I was speaking in terms of size, skill level and style of play -- and in that regard, I think Chytil's game is much closer to Nash than Jagr. As Chytil fills out I see him bulling his way to the net more. It wasn't about point totals.
As for Kravstov is concerned, his body and game are very different than Chytil's and Nash's. He doesn't play a power forward game. More of a pure skill game. He relies on his agility, the speed of his hands and his playmaking ability. Again, none of that means Kravstov will come anywhere near Rick Nash's production in the NHL. Nor may Chytil.
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Yes I agree I`m worried about Vesey with coach Quinn and his current system.
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We only lose value concerning their contracts with Vesey and Nam on a possible 4th line - so they should be traded and moved before the season start instead for future + a top 9 forward in return.
Great recap.
Howden
I wouldn’t be too harsh on Howden. He is a good player but he is a player that doesn’t really fit into the NHL of today perfectly, the game out there is just so fast and the puck is moving so fast, and it’s not surprising that he needs a little time to find ways to get involved and contribute deeper into camp. It’s not that Howden isn’t good in those areas, it’s just that the general level out there in those fields are tremendously high.
When you listen to Clarke when he describes Howden he always emphasizes attitude and physical attributes as well as Howden’s strong overall game. There is a reason for that. To make it to the NHL you always have to beat out a number of very good hockey players. In this context you must separate yourself from the competition. And when looking at the spec for a NHL job and compare Howden’s fact sheet with other guys around him he faces stiff competition.
I’ve put this sloppy before, but in the above context Howden’s usp must be that he — in relation to the competition — can provide more size, the tremendous character he has, and more of everything that you are spoon fed as a hockey player growing up in Western Canada. I am not saying that he must become a Wayne Simmonds type or any kind of old fashioned PF. But we have seen how many lines on this team have come together when not being completely without any kind of size and physical ability.
I think it’s when Howden finds ways to provide something on the NHL level that really compliments what his linemates may not have an abundance of that he can really come in and become a difference maker. With that I am referring to him more being able to do what Pouliot did for Brass and Zucc, and I am not like referring to that Howden must become Milan Lucic II.
The PK
I still hope that it can find a higher overall level when more or less two squads become one and more focus is put into it going into the season.
The natural pecking order when building a team is definitely to leave the special teams to after when you have put time into the fundamental break outs and checking schemes. And it’s also very personel driven and it takes experience, we have a young squad and when split into two it’s short on capable hands...
On being terrible
The worst I’ve ever seen this team is the what, first 2-3 weeks of the regular season under AV. Right? It felt like we would lose every game 8-0.
Being terrible isn’t necessarily a bad thing for this organization and it could certainly be in the cards for this year. Quinn is trying to install some very interesting things to this organization though, I hope that he continues to do just that even if the results are really terrible early. Because no matter if your ideas are good or bad — every change to a NHL team takes TIME to implement. It’s not a matter of weeks or months to install a way to play, you have a shorter period where you obviously just inform the players what to do. But then you will improve in areas the more time you put into it. And in this context we are talking about years.
Shatty
I liked Shatty’s jump out there and that is more important for me than him losing some pucks in his first game in what 3/4 of a year.
The key for Shatty is to be able to maintain that jump over the entire season and not lose a step when you start to get the bruises and wears and tears during the toughest periods of the season.
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Yeah it will be so exciting to follow him. That ‘pick’ could easily right now be doing just OK in like a European league with a potential impact in NY being several years away and quite marginal. Instead we got this kid that it’s not unreasonable to ask if he can become like a Kopitar type or ‘just’ a very good 2nd line center and so forth. Nothing can be ruled out. Has he even turned 19 yet?
Amazing!!
I`m fine with Vesey on the 4th line, but Nam 4 mil $ contract need to be in top 9 or move him for future if he don`t fit with Quinn`s ideas how to play hockey.
I felt Zucc did some great things, but I waited more from him, but I have always high expectations and it was at least one situation he should shoot it instead and he would probably score as well than rely on a team m8 to have his stick on the ice waiting for that surprising pass.
I felt Zucc did some great things, but I waited more from him, but I have always high expectations and it was at least one situation he should shoot it instead and he would probably score as well than rely on a team m8 to have his stick on the ice waiting for that surprising pass.
egelband
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Only saw a bit as well. But I noticed that too. Chytil has great anticipation and sense.
Amazing Kreiderman
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Well, I actually said that if they are projected to be on the 4th line, I'd rather see them in the AHL due to their contract slide eligibility. There's no need to burn a year off their ELC to have them on the 4th line.
We still have a few games left, but this is what I want to see:
Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Namestnikov-Andersson-Chytil
Spooner-Hayes-Zuccarello
Meskanen-Beleskey-Fast
Vesey
Skjei-Pionk
Smith-Shattenkirk
Staal-DeAngelo
Claesson
Start Howden and Hajek in the AHL. Howden needs time, Hajek is close to making the team, but I rather see him play top-pair minutes in the AHL for a few months than being a 6th or 7th D-man in the NHL.
And Quinn really needs to light a fire under Vesey's ass.
pld459666
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Have not been impressed with Namaste before or after the trade.
Waiting for him to change my perspective of him as a player.
Still think Spooner is a much better player.
In spite of his warts.
Waiting for him to change my perspective of him as a player.
Still think Spooner is a much better player.
In spite of his warts.
Didn't enjoy having to listen to that obnoxious, drunk Islanders fan shouting and screaming in the background during the broadcast...
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