Post-Game Talk: PS #2 - 09/20/19 | RANGERS @ devils | 7:00 - MSG

[Rangerfan4life90]

He's here for two more years unless he retires. Get used to it.

Unless the other d-men start beating down his door. If that happens, I don't think they might wait that long.

 

[NernieBichols]

Actually no I was a huge fan of his game a year ago. But his season was a wash and this summer is more of the same. Really disappointed in him. Thought he was a smarter player and he’s become the opposite

Might be trying to play that chippy style that he’s heard through the grapevine people like about him. He’s taken a lot of penalties. I didn’t watch him at all last year just know that he was named to and played in some tournaments for team USA right. That would speak to them liking his progression.

But I agree he needs to play smarter. And he needs to strengthen up, he needs better balance along the boards in battles

 

[Kovalev27]

Might be trying to play that chippy style that he’s heard through the grapevine people like about him. He’s taken a lot of penalties. I didn’t watch him at all last year just know that he was named to and played in some tournaments for team USA right. That would speak to them liking his progression.

But I agree he needs to play smarter. And he needs to strengthen up, he needs better balance along the boards in battles

That was the year prior though. He basically played himself off of the WJC 20 team. He needs as you said ALoT of work and imo mainly between the ears.

 

[haveandare]

Hank wasn’t half as bad as some are saying.

Jack Hughes got a squeaky clean breakaway on a dumb change and made a nice move.

Halls shot was perfect.

It’s not just numbers of saves and goals against. Look at what pucks go in and which get stopped. Two of those three were not bad goals or even okay goals by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Hank wasn’t half as bad as some are saying.

Jack Hughes got a squeaky clean breakaway on a dumb change and made a nice move.

Halls shot was perfect.

It’s not just numbers of saves and goals against. Look at what pucks go in and which get stopped. Two of those three were not bad goals or even okay goals by any stretch of the imagination.

I don't know what goalie is stopping that Hall shot, it was perfectly in the corner, nicked the crossbar to iirc. Jack got a breakaway 15 seconds in, literally Hank's first shot against in months and its a clean breakaway from a very skilled player. Its not like he was letting in stinkers.

 

[haveandare]

I don't know what goalie is stopping that Hall shot, it was perfectly in the corner, nicked the crossbar to iirc. Jack got a breakaway 15 seconds in, literally Hank's first shot against in months and its a clean breakaway from a very skilled player. Its not like he was letting in stinkers.

Exactly. This high glove side thing is becoming a mindless meme already. People will be whining about every high glove goal all year and arguing they’re all proof that Hanks lost it. Its 2019. Everyone shoots high all the time and scoring is up. Goalies give up high glove goals, all goalies. This one was perfect and would be a goal on almost anyone.

He’s obviously not what he was but neither of those two goals are proof of it. People have their agendas and are going to beat them all year long.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Howden is making the team, don't be silly.

Not necessarily. We've seen prospects jump from NCAA for a full season and start the next in Hartford. Might be very good for him to get top-6 minutes. Personally, I think the odds, for now, are against him to start in NY.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Exactly. This high glove side thing is becoming a mindless meme already. People will be whining about every high glove goal all year and arguing they’re all proof that Hanks lost it. Its 2019. Everyone shoots high all the time and scoring is up. Goalies give up high glove goals, all goalies. This one was perfect and would be a goal on almost anyone.

He’s obviously not what he was but neither of those two goals are proof of it. People have their agendas and are going to beat them all year long.

Plus it’s frigging game one of the preseason for him.

 

[haohmaru]

Unless the other d-men start beating down his door. If that happens, I don't think they might wait that long.

"They" can't do anything. Only he can. They can sit him in the press box, but they can't move him to another club or the AHL without his consent.

 

[Edge]

All of these factors are well known so it is just peculiar that you chose to make your posts with a reference / following last nights game that featured largely JV squat, especially exposed on D where Staal was the most prominent feature.

I made it after two games in which the names change but the challenges remain.

I could make the same comment after 5 or 10 games. The timing isn’t really specific for me, so much as I’m seeing what I expected. With one game you can somewhat shrug it off. But I think after two, there is a bit of a reality check that a sharp turnaround isn’t likely on the horizon.

There will be progress, but playoff runs and finishing outside the top 10 is probably not the right expectation for this season.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Exactly. This high glove side thing is becoming a mindless meme already. People will be whining about every high glove goal all year and arguing they’re all proof that Hanks lost it. Its 2019. Everyone shoots high all the time and scoring is up. Goalies give up high glove goals, all goalies. This one was perfect and would be a goal on almost anyone.

He’s obviously not what he was but neither of those two goals are proof of it. People have their agendas and are going to beat them all year long.

Except the Rangers.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I made it after two games in which the names change but the challenges remain.

Rhyme iller than Swine Flu and c dif, son.

 

[Calad]

I mean I’m not saying you’re wrong in total (no they are not a Cup contender and the young talent needs time to marinate) but at the same time its preseason game 2.

The NYR just shelled out an $11M+ contract in UFA and have a HOF goaltender in net. There are moving pieces but “making the playoffs” should be decently in range, perhaps a stretch - or WTF are they doing diving neck deep into the UFA pool. It has to be a reasonable goal, if a stretch. How can you possibly support signing Panarin and “this team is just too young to contend for a PO spot”, it’s logically incompatible.

A few reasons. The team is bereft of established talent and theres no player of Panarin's caliber headed to free agency for the next 2-3 offseasons. In signing Panarin , we have another cornerstone to help build the franchise around and give the coach a strong vet talent to lean on while also both sheltering and mentoring our talented kids we hope to see grow. By signing him now instead of 2-3 years from
now we would be crunched as hard on the cap in his later seasons since many of our rookies will be on their 2nd contracts, so this lets us take advantage of our talented kids ELC years as well as helps manage the cap long term. And lets not forget, he generates excitement around the team so he will help sell tickets

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I mean I’m not saying you’re wrong in total (no they are not a Cup contender and the young talent needs time to marinate) but at the same time its preseason game 2.

The NYR just shelled out an $11M+ contract in UFA and have a HOF goaltender in net. There are moving pieces but “making the playoffs” should be decently in range, perhaps a stretch - or WTF are they doing diving neck deep into the UFA pool. It has to be a reasonable goal, if a stretch. How can you possibly support signing Panarin and “this team is just too young to contend for a PO spot”, it’s logically incompatible.

. What edge is saying is logically incompatible bc what the nyr's did was logically incompatible. Or logically 'very risky' bc it's a move for two-4 years down the line moreso than it's a move for now. But by then pan might be moldy.

 

[bernmeister]

Something tells me Kravtsov ends up being the odd man out who starts in Hartford.

I have a feeling that Andersson and Howden play opening night. Though part of me wonders how’d they’d do together.

Krav only needs comfortability w/NHL size rink.
His roster spot vs that and juggling other personnel issues is no big whoop, as I expect he is here to stay soon enuf.
If I had to bet, he makes the club, but it will be useful if we can unload some vets.

Buch isn't a line driver, ideally, he's a line complementer.

Put him with guys with skill that are willing to open up space and he'll be much more comfortable.

Lindgren, as always, looked like a decent potential 3rd pairing guy. Smaller Sauer, keeps to the fundamentals, and doesn't take risks. Hopefully he gets his chance.

Looked good w/Boo when Nieves first came up, b4 that genius of a coach who prefers vets too much effed up things.

Both have come along.
But I see Nieves as an ideal complement to Kreider.
Buch not such a great fit for others.
Still, quality player, skilled, with value.
Move him for the right return, give his mins to da kids.

As much as everyone wants to fantasize around here, Staal has a full NMC. He's not going anywhere unless he wants to and I highly, highly doubt that he wants to and that can be further compounded with the fact that if he did, it would probably be to a contender, and a contender won't have any use for a Marc Staal.

He's here for two more years unless he retires. Get used to it.

Unless the other d-men start beating down his door. If that happens, I don't think they might wait that long.

"They" can't do anything. Only he can. They can sit him in the press box, but they can't move him to another club or the AHL without his consent.

Staal is here in the sense we can't afford to buy him out now [should have before] and he can't be removed from the team or sent anywhere. But we can continue to healthy scratch him indefinitely, which doesn't look good, but whatever.

X factor is how long before those compliance buyouts kick in, which cost but I believe do not have (same) cap consequence.