Proposal: Proposals Thread: Everything But The TV, Couch and Kitchen Sink Are For Sale!

[HeavyHitter99]

Nikitin is far from what we need. He's 6th in TOI/G among Columbus D and 9th in Corsi RelQoC. Last season he was 5th in TOI/G and 5th in Corsi Rel QoC. He puts up around 20 points per season, so he isn't an offensive stalwart. Why, exactly, do we want to sign him? We already have enough bottom-pairing LH options.

You need to actually watch him. He's a top 4 Dman playing on a pretty good D. Good defensively, can be pretty physical and has proven that when given the opportunity (BJs 2011-2012) that he can put up offense. Even though I don't put much into plus minus I bet he has one of the best on the team.

Any Dman that plays a very good defensive game, has a physical edge to his game and can put up 20-30 points on the bottom pair (with I imagine no pp time based on who they have for offensive Dmen) is someone we should want on our team. He's better than everyone we have besides Petry and potentially marincin.

Oh and he's 2nd I believe behind Wiz for Dmen 5x5 scoring on D for the BJs

 

[dustrock]

People complaining about trading Eberle or Yakupov - the problem is, it's not like playing Settlers of Catan - you can't trade five #6 d-men for one #2C.

You usually have to give up some value to get a good player back.

Especially because the entire league knows what kind of players we need.

 

[OF17]

You need to actually watch him. He's a top 4 Dman playing on a pretty good D. Good defensively, can be pretty physical and has proven that when given the opportunity (BJs 2011-2012) that he can put up offense. Even though I don't put much into plus minus I bet he has one of the best on the team.

Any Dman that plays a very good defensive game, has a physical edge to his game and can put up 20-30 points on the bottom pair (with I imagine no pp time based on who they have for offensive Dmen) is someone we should want on our team. He's better than everyone we have besides Petry and potentially marincin.

The point that I'm trying to make is that Nikitin is unproven as anything put a third-pairing guy. Even then, by numbers, he isn't blowing the doors down. It's unwise to count so much on a guy who has never filled that top-4 role before. Even in his best season in 2011/2012, he played as a 4/5 about even in TOI and shot results with Methot. His offense that year also came on an abnormally high S%. If we didn't already have Marincin and Klefbom as LHD, I would be interested in taking a flier on Nikitin in a bottom-pairing role with the potential to move up. I don't think it makes sense given the circumstances that we're in though.

 

[CornKicker]

People complaining about trading Eberle or Yakupov - the problem is, it's not like playing Settlers of Catan - you can't trade five #6 d-men for one #2C.

You usually have to give up some value to get a good player back.

Especially because the entire league knows what kind of players we need.

hahahaha

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

The point that I'm trying to make is that Nikitin is unproven as anything put a third-pairing guy. Even then, by numbers, he isn't blowing the doors down. It's unwise to count so much on a guy who has never filled that top-4 role before. Even in his best season in 2011/2012, he played as a 4/5 about even in TOI and shot results with Methot. His offense that year also came on an abnormally high S%. If we didn't already have Marincin and Klefbom as LHD, I would be interested in taking a flier on Nikitin in a bottom-pairing role with the potential to move up. I don't think it makes sense given the circumstances that we're in though.

Nikitin us exactly the dman the Oilers would go for as a top pairing. Guy looks decent, so if we give him the top pairing he will do great! That'd be the Oilers mindset.
Like I said if we are getting a LHD we need to go for top pairing guys, if not we need to pass over them. We need a #1 LHD and a bunch of RHD. Not a bottom pairing guy we can push top top pairing and have him do bad then have the fan base hate him

 

[OilerFan4Life]

You need to actually watch him. He's a top 4 Dman playing on a pretty good D. Good defensively, can be pretty physical and has proven that when given the opportunity (BJs 2011-2012) that he can put up offense. Even though I don't put much into plus minus I bet he has one of the best on the team.

Any Dman that plays a very good defensive game, has a physical edge to his game and can put up 20-30 points on the bottom pair (with I imagine no pp time based on who they have for offensive Dmen) is someone we should want on our team. He's better than everyone we have besides Petry and potentially marincin.

Oh and he's 2nd I believe behind Wiz for Dmen 5x5 scoring on D for the BJs

As another poster mentioined....Schultz has passed him on the depth chart there. SRSLY

 

[OilerFan4Life]

Eberle for Josi is fair for both sides...

 

[Moose Coleman]

People complaining about trading Eberle or Yakupov - the problem is, it's not like playing Settlers of Catan - you can't trade five #6 d-men for one #2C.

You usually have to give up some value to get a good player back.

Especially because the entire league knows what kind of players we need.

Good teams make trades from positions of strength. It doesn't make sense to shore up on area of need only to create another hole elsewhere. the Oilers Have very little depth at forward. They do have a lot of prospects bubbling under on the blueline. So if you're going to make a trade, that's the place to start.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Good teams make trades from positions of strength. It doesn't make sense to shore up on area of need only to create another hole elsewhere. the Oilers Have very little depth at forward. They do have a lot of prospects bubbling under on the blueline. So if you're going to make a trade, that's the place to start.

This here.
We don't have any top 6 depth. If any of them go down, we are hooped. So trading away Gagner, Yak and Eberle, unless we are getting top 6 players back leaves us with guys like Arcobello (which is fine), Lander, Pitlick and Horak to fill their spots and even less if they get injured. Gagner + Draft pick for a bigger center makes sense cause we are replacing him. What we need to do is take our third line, they become our fourth line and build a third line of guys who really good third liners and can fill up in the top 6 if needed. Our problem is any injury at all and the team gets even worse forward wise.

Abundance of d prospects and tons of draft picks to use for trading is all we got. I much rather try and fill the team with free agency first and then go for big trades if absolutely needed.

Cause ya, getting rid of Gagner, Yak and Eberle gives us no primary scoring to compliment our abysmal secondary scoring.

 

[Celleyna]

Off season moves to address needs

Trade:
Eberle for Evander Kane
Gagner for Clifford

Sign:
Dan Boyle (Mentorship and skill)
Lander (predicting he breaks out next year to a very solid two way centre)
Smyth (one more year doesn't play every game)
Gazdic (trades in for Smyth when needed)
Belov (guy is really good, just needs some NA adjustment still)

Draft:
Draistl (Heard Mac T talk at oilers lunch... feel pretty sure they will take him)

Hall RNH Yak
Perron Kane Draistl
Clifford Lander Pitlick
Smyth Gordon Hendricks
Gazdic

Boyle Schultz
Marincin Petry
Ferrence Klefbom
Belov

Scrivens/Fasth

This isn't quite a playoff team, because of all the youth still on D... but I would be willing to bet we are still in the hunt for playoffs next March.

 

[McGoMcD]

Like the idea of signing Dan Boyle. The rest, meh. Eberle is n't going any where and Clifford is very overrated, that being said if we draft a forward Gags could almost be dumped for nothing.

 

[OF17]

What we need to do is take our third line, they become our fourth line and build a third line of guys who really good third liners and can fill up in the top 6 if needed. Our problem is any injury at all and the team gets even worse forward wise.

I don't understand the desire of some to bump Gordon down a line. He's been a perfect 3C for us, and having $3 million on the 4th line for the next two years is simply too much. I can understand acquiring Gaustad for that 4th line since he only has a year left, and I can understand trying to acquire a Greg Campbell or another high-quality 4C, but Gordon is just fine where he is. Acquire a 3LW and 3RW please, but not a 3C.

EDIT: As far as insurance for a top-6 injury goes, that's why you have Arcobello on the 4th line. Acquiring a Kulemin for 3LW/3RW would also be good for those purposes.

 

[Raab]

I don't understand the desire of some to bump Gordon down a line. He's been a perfect 3C for us, and having $3 million on the 4th line for the next two years is simply too much. I can understand acquiring Gaustad for that 4th line since he only has a year left, and I can understand trying to acquire a Greg Campbell or another high-quality 4C, but Gordon is just fine where he is. Acquire a 3LW and 3RW please, but not a 3C.

EDIT: As far as insurance for a top-6 injury goes, that's why you have Arcobello on the 4th line. Acquiring a Kulemin for 3LW/3RW would also be good for those purposes.

I'm hoping for Kulemin and Downie, a Kulemin-Gordon-Downie line should be hard to play against and have enough skill to pot one every now and then. To bad what we'll probably get is 2 no names from europe that management will try and sell as great players.

 

[ResilientBeast]

DEPTH CHART
Taylor Hall (6.0) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (6.0) / Jordan Eberle (6.0)
David Perron (3.8) / Martin Hanzal (3.1) / Radim Vrbata (3.5)
Lauri Korpikoski (2.5) / Lars Eller (3.0) / Anton Lander (1.5)
Matt Hendricks (1.9) / Boyd Gordan (3.0) / Tyler Pitlick (900k)
Luke Gazdic (1.0) / Marko Arcobello (600k) / Adam Cracknell (800k)
Roman Horak (700k) / Will Acton (700k) / Steve Pinnizotto (700k)

Andy Greene (3.0) / Justin Schutz (3.5)
Josh Gorges (3.9) / Jeff Petry (3.0)
Martin Marincin (730k) / Andrew Ference (3.3)
Oscar Klefbom (900k) / Philip Larsen (900k)
Brad Hunt (550k) / Taylor Fedun (1.0)

Ben Scrivens (2.3)
Viktor Fasth (2.9)
Laurent Brossoit (650k)

66.5 Total Cap​

TRADES
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1st (14)
<=>
Martin Hanzal
Lauri Korpikoski
3rd (14)
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Sam Gagner
2nd (15)
<=>
Andy Greene
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Nail Yakupov
<=>
Lars Eller
Josh Gorges
1st (14)
==================

Hate to ruin your plans bud, but there is no way we get Andy Greene for that. He's a legitimate top pairing guy

 

[McMozesmadness]

Hate to ruin your plans bud, but there is no way we get Andy Greene for that. He's a legitimate top pairing guy

Signed for only one more year. One year of Andy Greene is worth Gags and a 2nd.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Signed for only one more year. One year of Andy Greene is worth Gags and a 2nd.

He's going to resign with the devils I'm fairly sure, and even then they'll want more. Did you miss the thread on the main board? They were after young talented players, doesn't sound like the Gagner we've help develop.

They specifically said Eberle

We need to accept that in his current form we're not going to get anything of value for Gagner.

 

[dustrock]

Good teams make trades from positions of strength. It doesn't make sense to shore up on area of need only to create another hole elsewhere. the Oilers Have very little depth at forward. They do have a lot of prospects bubbling under on the blueline. So if you're going to make a trade, that's the place to start.

But that's just it, Moose. we're not a good team and we're not dealing from a position of strength. If we're trying to get a real improvement in D, that's going to take a roster forward and a couple of our prospects.

I agree they'll be moving Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat, Fedun, guys like that. But teams are likely to gouge Mac T for all they can.

 

[McMozesmadness]

He's going to resign with the devils I'm fairly sure, and even then they'll want more. Did you miss the thread on the main board? They were after young talented players, doesn't sound like the Gagner we've help develop.

They specifically said Eberle

We need to accept that in his current form we're not going to get anything of value for Gagner.

For a resigned Greene they would get those types of players, I'm the one in that thread that tossed Eberle's name in there for a resigned Greene +. He won't get an amazing return if not on a longer deal.

 

[ResilientBeast]

For a resigned Greene they would get those types of players, I'm the one in that thread that tossed Eberle's name in there for a resigned Greene +. He won't get an amazing return if not on a longer deal.

Still no way Gagner and a second even starts the discussion.

 

[Musashi]

Still no way Gagner and a second even starts the discussion.

agreed

 

[CREW99AW]

I know I'll take heat for this, but if we take Ekblad with our 1st, I would consider moving Yakupov to Isles for their pick. One of Draisaitl, Ritchie Dal Colle will probably be a much better fit for our team down the road.

I think Nail is more then capable of bouncing back, from his rough sophomore season.

However, the Isles have had trouble with the KHL: the KHL supported Lubo when he did not want to report and the isles have been unable to lure Petrov from the KHL.
Petrov has used the isles interest to get stronger contracts from his KHL teams.

Very unlikely the isles give up something significant for a struggling ,young Russian, who will draw KHL interest when his ELC ends.

 

[CREW99AW]

Fair enough, for some reason I was thinking Griffin was a RHD.

How about we shake up the trade and go after the RHD I was hoping we'd take last year. Yakupov+2015 2nd for Clutterbuck+Pulock+2014 1st? Helps us fill two positional needs in the prospect pool and gives Yak the chance to excel playing next to Tavares. We'd still need to add another two wingers for next years roster but I don't see a top 6 working with Hall-Eberle-Yakupov-Perron being the wingers. Needs more muscle to battle in the corners.

No thanks,

Isles with CDH/Harmonic on the top pairing, are saying want Pulock+ Reinhart paired up.

 

[Moose Coleman]

But that's just it, Moose. we're not a good team and we're not dealing from a position of strength. If we're trying to get a real improvement in D, that's going to take a roster forward and a couple of our prospects.

If that's what it takes, then they need to look at another way because it makes no sense to punch a hole in the paper thin forward depth to shore up the D. It's roster hole whack-a-mole.

 

[jmoss45]

Hanzal + 2nd for our 2nd/3rd overall
Bickell for Pitlick+
Sign Moss
Gagner for Bailey


Hall-RNH-Eberle
Bickell-Hanzall-Perron
Hendricks-Gordon-Moss
Smyth-Bailey-Arco
Gadzik


...That leaves Yak to trade for help on the back end.

 

[MapleMac]

Hanzal and Bickell would be great pickups for the top 6 to help compete in the West, especially Bickell should not take much to acquire