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But he did say that he had Arniel watch every powerplay we had last year. That must have been fun.
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But he did say that he had Arniel watch every powerplay we had last year. That must have been fun.
eco's bones
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Sometimes--not all that often--two forwards can create chemistry together that lasts and lasts. More often chemistry is good for a period of time and then goes stale. Sometimes there's none. Richards as a playmaker use to be a chemistry creator pretty much with anybody--now not so much. The chemistry guys on the Rangers are Stepan, Brassard, Zuccarello and Richards to a lesser degree.
Basically it's line combinations. I suspect with AV--like with practically every other coach since Emile Francis where it for years you could figure 1)Ratelle-Gilbert-Hadfield-2)Tkachuk-Fairbarin-Balon/Carr-3) Stemkowski-MacGregor-Irvine there's been very few lines that have ever stuck together for any great length of time. Messier-Graves and whoever or Nedved-Dvorak-Hlavac or Kisio-Mullen-Ogrodnick and then Nylander-Jagr-Straka/sometimes Rucinsky. Players move around as coaches try to find combinations that haven't gone stale and work and click right now.
What it comes down to--is who fits into a top 6 role?--better yet top 3 role--who fits into a bottom 6 role? and which of the bottom 6 in a pinch can handle a second line role?
I have an issue with putting Zuccarello - who in my mind has done nothing and is touted here to the point of insanity - ahead of Callahan who was named captain on merit. As for the second line not receiving significantly more time than the third line, that's generally the power play cutoff point. I can see trying Zuccarello on the power play but only if he significantly ups his game from what I've seen or the power play sucks as it has the past few years.
I can't believe the Boyle bashing has begun already. He's not here for offense. You can't just load your lineup with offensive talent. I'm so happy the lot of you don't have access to roster decisions for this team.
Faceoffs, shot blocking and top 15 NHL forward in hits for the last 3 seasons as well as other little things like always having more takeaways than giveaways. Every team out there would love to have this guy in their bottom 6. But, he doesn't score much so get rid of him.
Sounds legit.
Faceoffs, shot blocking and top 15 NHL forward in hits for the last 3 seasons as well as other little things like always having more takeaways than giveaways. Every team out there would love to have this guy in their bottom 6. But, he doesn't score much so get rid of him.
Sounds legit.
Ilovemymum
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I think it's more opinions on what could work than who's the most merited player? I might be wrong though. That Zuccarello has done nothing is leaving the most of the rest below zero judging from the final part of the past season. But you are free to rank them from 1-20 see what the team would look like.
This and every healthy body is front of Cally right now. Maybe te Brassard line moves down to 3rd after Step, Hags and Cally come back, or maybe not so what. Regardless, at full strength i think we have a competitive top 9 and 12 no matter who slots in where. Only question is if Kristo or Lindberg play at a level that makes it impossible to send them down.
Boyle is very good for what his role should be albeit a bit pricey. Some fans dislike him because he fights at a disproportionate level to his size and role. I have to admit i cover my eyes when he fights, and it kinda suvks for morale when your biggest guy cant fight. I have no empathy usually but somehow muster a bit up for Boyle and sick puppy dogs.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
I have a love/hate relationship with Boyle.
I love him as a 4th line LW, 1st unit PKer and defensive-zone-draw-when-up-or-tied-in-the-3rd-period specialist. I LOATHE him as a 3rd line C.
I love him as a 4th line LW, 1st unit PKer and defensive-zone-draw-when-up-or-tied-in-the-3rd-period specialist. I LOATHE him as a 3rd line C.
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
Why?
Boyle is a prototypical 4th liner, PK-man, with size and can double up with Moore on faceoffs.
He's also a gamer when the **** hits the fan. Good in the room. Kristo and Fast or whoever have to prove it (and somehow transform into good 4th line role players) before I toss Boyle out of the lineup. It wouldn't be ideal for skill players like Kristo to be on the 4th line.
aufheben
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Callahan and Hagelin are out, why do we need to do anything with Boyle to give the kids a chance?
Edit: Misunderstood.
Edit: Misunderstood.
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I never said I want those guys on the 4th line, I said Boyle is a good 4th liner, what about those guys on the 3rd.
they need to win hockey games. puke all you want. **** your pants too while u are at it
Glen Sathers Cigar
Sather 4 Ever
I agree with this.
Only possibility is Richie and Nash play great together, then it becomes:
Kreider/Hagelin-Richards-Nash
Kreider/Hagelin-Stepan-Callahan
Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett
OverTheCap
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Seems like the feelings towards Richards has softened a bit over the course of the summer, but Boyle still gets **** upon no matter the circumstance.
He is a solid 4th-liner/PKer and will surely be needed with the absence of Cally, Hags, and potentially Stepan to start the season. Boyle was one of the few players that was very up front with the fact that he sucked last season and is in a contract year, I think he will be motivated and play better than he did last year. Having him spend more time on the 4th line where he is better suited should help as well.
He is a solid 4th-liner/PKer and will surely be needed with the absence of Cally, Hags, and potentially Stepan to start the season. Boyle was one of the few players that was very up front with the fact that he sucked last season and is in a contract year, I think he will be motivated and play better than he did last year. Having him spend more time on the 4th line where he is better suited should help as well.
TheTakedown
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last summer everyone was obsesses with Richards cap hit. now that the ship has sailed we need someone else to rag on.. it just happens to be Boyle... lol
eco's bones
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It's not just an ordinary cap hit and the new CBA turned Richards contract (a different thing in this case than just a cap hit) into a potential poison pill. Richards poor showing last year only made everything worse. Getting benched for Newbury in the final two playoff games was just the cherry on top. The last 3 years of that contract are reason why even if Richards returns to all star form the Rangers will need to use their last amnesty opportunity on him--if they can--if he's not injured. It's not just the cap hit it's the term of the contract.
I don't think many people would object to Boyle playing on the 4th line. He just doesn't belong on the 3rd line and we now have enough depth that he shouldn't play there.
eco's bones
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Boyle is likely to get 10-15 minutes of ice time game in game out. He is a key penalty killing forward--maybe our best penalty killing forward. His size is another asset. He's good at face-offs and can be moved around in the lineup for various situations. His physical game is not that imposing but it's almost impossible to outmuscle him.
NYRFANMANI
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NYRFANMANI
Department of Rempe Safety Management
Yup, he should be nowhere near the top 9. Even if we should lack the depth, his place is the 4th line and the PK unit. Basta! ^^
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
I think you're quibbling over how people write these things down, rather than how they'd look in game. I mean, for example, if you have
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Richards-Zuccarello
Pouliot-Brassard-Callahan
is that significantly different than:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Pouliot-Brassard-Callahan
Hagelin-Richards-Zuccarello
?
Our middle six is essentially interchangeable.
PavelBure9
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I would actually give Boyle a chance in the top 9 but not as a center. If the opportunity came, I would put him on a line with Richards or Brassard and have Zuccarello on that line because you have a line with at worst a 50 point player but has some ability (Richards), and a creative winger (Zuccarello). On a line like that, his job. Is to get to the front of the net and bang rebounds home by being straight on the net, like Tomas Holmstrom used to do.
Personally, I would love a line of Boyle - Moore - Dorsett. That will be a tough line for anyone to play against and depending if Moore can get back to the level he played on a regular basis, which is a 3rd line role, this team is in solid shape.
Personally, I would love a line of Boyle - Moore - Dorsett. That will be a tough line for anyone to play against and depending if Moore can get back to the level he played on a regular basis, which is a 3rd line role, this team is in solid shape.
Having a 4th of Boyle, Moore, Dorsett would be solid. You can see how much a good 4th line is worth in this league with the newer rules and speed by watching the deep playoff teams the last couple of seasons. That would also mean that our top 9 is doing their job enough that neither Boyle or Moore can steal a spot on the third.
I think Boyle will be better offensively with the new coaching system. He had to do everything Tort's way or be benched. He barely had an inch of leeway and he knew it. His job was to play defense and be a big body.
He can move up to 3rd line late when protecting a lead
Edit: I think Yogan will be in the mix sometimes this season.
He can take FO's, good skater, can scrap and pot the occasional goal.
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