GDT: Preseason Game 5. Kraken @ Oilers beer leaguer. Streaming on Oilers+ at 7 pm

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Well run orgs don't let their valuable assets hit waivers to potentially lose them for nothing. Just like how multiple teams were apparently eyeing us up over our now gone RFA'S, there is teams watching to see what gets left off the main roster of the top teams in the league.

I'm not worried about someone else "poaching" Perry. He won't play higher than 4th line unless something drastic happens, he was no good in the playoffs, and he playys the least valuable position in which we have good depth . He is fine to keep as a mentor and depth, but if you are losing anyone else for him, your doing it wrong. Idgaf if he has some guarantee, we aren't gonna ice a worse roster over Corey f***ing Perry's feelings.

Every team has one or two Lavoie’s that don’t get claimed. Like I said, name all the players like Lavoie that were claimed off the past 5 winners?

Lavoie’s case isn’t the same as Holloway or Broberg. They were scooped up through an offer sheet. Every team is sending players down on waivers right now, and every team has roster limits.

As for Perry you’re missing my point. Cup winners usually grab low cost depth veterans (like Perry) to fill depth roles rather than let rookies play those 5-6-7 minutes a night like Lavoie.

And as I said, I’d bet a large sum of money that there is 0 chance Perry gets sent down, regardless of how much fans might think he should be. He didn’t sign here to play in Bakersfield and Lavoie playing decent in preseason isn’t going to displace Perry unless Lavoie plays monster hockey which he’s not.

Having a good game against half an AHL Seattle team isn’t displacing anyone off the top 12.

 

[Jarvi]

Every team has one or two Lavoie’s that don’t get claimed. Like I said, name all the players like Lavoie that were claimed off the past 5 winners?

Lavoie’s case isn’t the same as Holloway or Broberg. They were scooped up through an offer sheet. Every team is sending players down on waivers right now, and every team has roster limits.

As for Perry you’re missing my point. Cup winners usually grab low cost depth veterans (like Perry) to fill depth roles rather than let rookies play those 5-6-7 minutes a night like Lavoie.

And as I said, I’d bet a large sum of money that there is 0 chance Perry gets sent down, regardless of how much fans might think he should be. He didn’t sign here to play in Bakersfield and Lavoie playing decent in preseason isn’t going to displace Perry unless Lavoie plays monster hockey which he’s not.

Having a good game against half an AHL Seattle team isn’t displacing anyone off the top 12.

Lmao, I'm not gonna go dig up waivers claims for the last 5 years for you, do it yourself you muppet. And yes, I know the situation w Broberg and Holloway was different, but the point is many on here said to be wary of offer sheets, and people like you brushed it off saying how unlikely it was. Now we have neither and you want to risk losing another young, higher draft pick??? Perry's experience means very little, it didn't get us over the hump last year and he didn't have many big moments. The team as a whole has the experience from last year now too, so his whole schtick is even less valuable.


Contenders have their rosters set for the most part, along with finding space for their own guys. The teams that would poach lavoie would be lower end teams with holes higher up in their roster so that they could give him a role to thrive. Sure they might see some value in the leadership Perry supposedly provides, or they may see his whole Chicago stint as a sign of something they want to avoid with their young stars.

It's arguable that losing Perry to waivers would help the team. There is no universe where losing Lavoie for nothing helps us. I honestly can't believe someone would even argue otherwise.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Lmao, I'm not gonna go dig up waivers claims for the last 5 years for you, do it yourself you muppet. And yes, I know the situation w Broberg and Holloway was different, but the point is many on here said to be wary of offer sheets, and people like you brushed it off saying how unlikely it was. Now we have neither and you want to risk losing another young, higher draft pick??? Perry's experience means very little, it didn't get us over the hump last year and he didn't have many big moments. The team as a whole has the experience from last year now too, so his whole schtick is even less valuable.


Contenders have their rosters set for the most part, along with finding space for their own guys. The teams that would poach lavoie would be lower end teams with holes higher up in their roster so that they could give him a role to thrive. Sure they might see some value in the leadership Perry supposedly provides, or they may see his whole Chicago stint as a sign of something they want to avoid with their young stars.

It's arguable that losing Perry to waivers would help the team. There is no universe where losing Lavoie for nothing helps us. I honestly can't believe someone would even argue otherwise.

Having to resort to insults is always a sign you're losing the debate.

And Lavoie is 24.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Lmao, I'm not gonna go dig up waivers claims for the last 5 years for you, do it yourself you muppet. And yes, I know the situation w Broberg and Holloway was different, but the point is many on here said to be wary of offer sheets, and people like you brushed it off saying how unlikely it was. Now we have neither and you want to risk losing another young, higher draft pick??? Perry's experience means very little, it didn't get us over the hump last year and he didn't have many big moments. The team as a whole has the experience from last year now too, so his whole schtick is even less valuable.


Contenders have their rosters set for the most part, along with finding space for their own guys. The teams that would poach lavoie would be lower end teams with holes higher up in their roster so that they could give him a role to thrive. Sure they might see some value in the leadership Perry supposedly provides, or they may see his whole Chicago stint as a sign of something they want to avoid with their young stars.

It's arguable that losing Perry to waivers would help the team. There is no universe where losing Lavoie for nothing helps us. I honestly can't believe someone would even argue otherwise.

What are you getting uptight about? I’m not arguing for or against waiving Lavoie. I’m saying the club probably will waive him due to wanting to run a short roster and has almost assuredly made a commitment to Perry. If you don’t like that then call up Bowman and call him a muppet.

By the way your the one making the claims that the Lavoie’s of the world get regularly claimed off contenders. I just said I can’t think of any so unless you can your statement is incorrect. Perhaps it isn’t. I just can’t think of any examples that agree with your statement.

Lavoie to me seems blocked and isn’t outplaying Podkolzin who also is seeing duty on the PK. Perry almost assuredly has a commitment and will only be replaced through injury or Lavoie drastically outplaying him in the next few games. Philp is competing for the 4C spot and let’s say they give it to him. Ryan probably displaces Perry meaning Lavoie has to beat out not only Perry but Ryan as well in this instance which won’t happen given Ryan’s ability to play right shot C if needed and his prowess on the PK.

The team decides to run only 12 F, so where does Lavoie fit then? That’s all I’m saying. No need to get hostile.

 

[syz]

Perry's a vet who probably isn't taking pre-season all that seriously, but hopefully his job isn't guaranteed and someone on the staff can tell him like... hey... these young guys are coming for your job if you don't dig in a bit here.

 

[Fourier]

I don’t see Lavoie making the team. He doesn’t penalty kill and won’t be on the PP. He won’t displace Janmark or Brown with Henrique as I believe that line is set in stone.

That leaves the 4th line where he might get 6-7 minutes a night where he will just rot and is Classic Oilers, putting a rookie scorer on the 4th line and barely play them killing any confidence they have. I sense the new management won’t mismanage assets the way our past 2 regimes have.

Better to send him to the AHL and use him as an early call up in case of injury to the top 9 wingers. I doubt he gets claimed in waivers as every team has 1 or 2 Lavoie’s that they also will be waiving.

I really doubt he clears. If he is not going to make the team they should try to make a trade. Otherwise they are just flushing him.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I really doubt he clears. If he is not going to make the team they should try to make a trade. Otherwise they are just flushing him.

If there’s doubt they send down Philp, keep Lavoie on a roster of 13F (14 w Kane). But seeing as our primary long term need will be to bolster our RD over a 13F they will need to accrue cap space somehow and won’t accrue much with a full roster of 23.

For him to get claimed Lavoie has to be markedly better than the fringe same age developing prospects of our opponents or he finds himself right back on waivers like many tweeners who get claimed.

Lavoie was good last game but let’s see where he’s at after 3 more games as it should be more obvious if he may be a claim risk, however I’d be surprised.

 

[LTIR]

Both Lavoie and Philp deserve to be on this team.

What are you getting uptight about? I’m not arguing for or against waiving Lavoie. I’m saying the club probably will waive him due to wanting to run a short roster and has almost assuredly made a commitment to Perry. If you don’t like that then call up Bowman and call him a muppet.

By the way your the one making the claims that the Lavoie’s of the world get regularly claimed off contenders. I just said I can’t think of any so unless you can your statement is incorrect. Perhaps it isn’t. I just can’t think of any examples that agree with your statement.

Lavoie to me seems blocked and isn’t outplaying Podkolzin who also is seeing duty on the PK. Perry almost assuredly has a commitment and will only be replaced through injury or Lavoie drastically outplaying him in the next few games. Philp is competing for the 4C spot and let’s say they give it to him. Ryan probably displaces Perry meaning Lavoie has to beat out not only Perry but Ryan as well in this instance which won’t happen given Ryan’s ability to play right shot C if needed and his prowess on the PK.

The team decides to run

If there’s doubt they send down Philp, keep Lavoie on a roster of 13F (14 w Kane). But seeing as our primary long term need will be to bolster our RD over a 13F they will need to accrue cap space somehow and won’t accrue much with a full roster of 23.

For him to get claimed Lavoie has to be markedly better than the fringe same age developing prospects of our opponents or he finds himself right back on waivers like many tweeners who get claimed.

Lavoie was good last game but let’s see where he’s at after 3 more games as it should be more obvious if he may be a claim risk, however I’d be surprised.

Lavoie has been good all preseason and not just last game. His play in the next couple games will decide if Kane goes on LTIR or stays on IR.
Rest of the forward group is pretty much a lock. There is less than 1% chance of Philp starting in NHL forcing oilers to waive Ryan or Perry. The kid hasn't played hockey in months and doesn't need to clear waivers.. as easy a decision as it was for cutting Savoie and ORielly

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Lavoie has been good all preseason and not just last game. His play in the next couple games will decide if Kane goes on LTIR or stays on IR.
Rest of the forward group is pretty much a lock. There is less than 1% chance of Philp starting in NHL forcing oilers to waive Ryan or Perry. The kid hasn't played hockey in months and doesn't need to clear waivers.. as easy a decision as it was for cutting Savoie and ORielly

Kane won’t be going on LTIR

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Lavoie has been good all preseason and not just last game. His play in the next couple games will decide if Kane goes on LTIR or stays on IR.
Rest of the forward group is pretty much a lock. There is less than 1% chance of Philp starting in NHL forcing oilers to waive Ryan or Perry. The kid hasn't played hockey in months and doesn't need to clear waivers.. as easy a decision as it was for cutting Savoie and ORielly

The Oilers have stated they intend to keep Kane on the roster and accrue cap space. They also need that cap space to acquire a RD at the TDL or sooner.

Putting Kane on LTIR just to keep Lavoie doesn’t make sense as you want to be near the total cap limit before they do if I understand it correctly.

As for Philp it’s my guess that he gets a test drive at 4C at some point this year. In my opinion he’s been better than Lavoie and he’s not making it easy on the coaching staff at all.

Anyway it’ll be interesting to see how it shakes down.

 

[Fourier]

If there’s doubt they send down Philp, keep Lavoie on a roster of 13F (14 w Kane). But seeing as our primary long term need will be to bolster our RD over a 13F they will need to accrue cap space somehow and won’t accrue much with a full roster of 23.

For him to get claimed Lavoie has to be markedly better than the fringe same age developing prospects of our opponents or he finds himself right back on waivers like many tweeners who get claimed.

Lavoie was good last game but let’s see where he’s at after 3 more games as it should be more obvious if he may be a claim risk, however I’d be surprised.

Lavoie was not just good last game, he has been excellent in all three games he has played. He has 16 SOG so far this preseason. For a you g guys whose forte is goal scoring, one of the key tests is can he find space at the NHL level to get his shot off. Plus he's not just a shooter. This is a big guy who also plays hard.

It's true that lots of teams have better or similar prospects. But many of those guys don't need waivers. And a team like CBJ or Chicago can easily use a roster spot to add one more guy with the most difficult skill to teach in the game.

The Oilers have stated they intend to keep Kane on the roster and accrue cap space. They also need that cap space to acquire a RD at the TDL or sooner.

Putting Kane on LTIR just to keep Lavoie doesn’t make sense as you want to be near the total cap limit before they do if I understand it correctly.

As for Philp it’s my guess that he gets a test drive at 4C at some point this year. In my opinion he’s been better than Lavoie and he’s not making it easy on the coaching staff at all.

Anyway it’ll be interesting to see how it shakes down.

Actually Adding Lavoie and then LTIR'ing Kane does make sense from a cap perspective as he would take them to within about $100K for the ceiling. It won't prevent them from reducing the roster later and accruing space once they have fleshed out who ultimately stays.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

If Lavoie continues to play how he has for the rest of pre season there is zero chance they waive him. They’ll have a roster spot for him even if it means waving Perry at the beginning of the year.

 

[CycloneSweep]

The safe bet is let Philp play some games as the 1c in Bakersfield cause we can. He will be up at some point so no reason to risk losing guys to waivers. Ryan is playing well, run him till he isn’t.

 

[FlameChampion]

Perry's a vet who probably isn't taking pre-season all that seriously, but hopefully his job isn't guaranteed and someone on the staff can tell him like... hey... these young guys are coming for your job if you don't dig in a bit here.

If he had a good playoffs I would give him a break. But hes been meh going back to the playoffs.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Lavoie was not just good last game, he has been excellent in all three games he has played. He has 16 SOG so far this preseason. For a you g guys whose forte is goal scoring, one of the key tests is can he find space at the NHL level to get his shot off. Plus he's not just a shooter. This is a big guy who also plays hard.

It's true that lots of teams have better or similar prospects. But many of those guys don't need waivers. And a team like CBJ or Chicago can easily use a roster spot to add one more guy with the most difficult skill to teach in the game.


Actually Adding Lavoie and then LTIR'ing Kane does make sense from a cap perspective as he would take them to within about $100K for the ceiling. It won't prevent them from reducing the roster later and accruing space once they have fleshed out who ultimately stays.

Thanks for clarifying the LTIR, I thought we would still be way too low.

Looking excellent (I think he’s been good, not sure about excellent but to each their own) in preseason isn’t much as we’ve seen with other shooters like Rattie and Perlini. Yes he can shoot, but playing 4th line requires more of the checking skills needed of 4th liners. He won’t be getting off too many one timers or seeing the PP where he’s had a lot of shot chances generated from.

He’s got a great chance to make the team outright next year or this season as a call up. Or he blows the doors off in the last 3 preseason games even. Would be nice to make KK and SB life difficult as our prospects are thin.