Predict Doughtys contract extention

[Stimpythecat]

8 years @ $11 million. Full NMC.

 

[Stimpythecat]

From all reports, management was good with Brown. Trading him means what he provides will still have to be replaced. Average second line production is 40 points. Brown had 36. That's easily worth $3 million and more likely close to $4 million or more. Brown's not the issue.

I think the more pressing need is the black hole that is Gaborik's position. He provided just about nothing for his $4.8 million. Just 10 goals and 21 points. That's 3rd line stats if over a full season. I'd do a cap dump if it didn't cost too much to do so and I would check at the end of the season too.

Edit to add: If we are not going to use that cap space, then there is no point to doing a cap dump.

 

[lumbergh]

I look forward to revisiting this thread after Doughty signs an 8 year contract. I love reading how so many of us hfboard fans know what is in his head.

 

[Telos]

At the very least he will be the highest paid defensemen in the league at the time of the contract signing. He could go somewhere else, but I reckon that he will stay and the Kings will pull out all the stops to ensure that he does.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Unloaded how? They tried moving Gabby, nobody wanted him. Moving Brown would mean eating a good part of that contract and giving up a top young player or taking a bad contract in return. Right now, their best hope should be that Gabby recovers and has a very good year with Stevens . Then maybe they can move him either in Feb or in June at the draft but it will still cost them $$ and other assets. Brown is a very good 3rd line player and few teams can afford 5.8 M per for that given their contracts.
Not the first team to have tough contracts on the books, nor the last.

Gaborik is on Instagram working out like a mad man, he looks like he's ready to go now. Stevens removes the shackles from the offense, guys numbers get a boost, their trade value rises and at the dead line contenders will be looking for Brown/Gaborik/Cammy/Clifford and the other King players who cannot play the modern NHL game. You move forward with the core of the team and you absolutely, positively do not let Doughty get away. The guy has earned whatever deal is out there for him. You cannot replace future HOFers no matter the return, amazing how quickly this is forgotten even by King fans who have seen it time and time again. The return for any King who eventually made it into the Hall Of Fame? Did the Kings win in any of these trades in hindsight?

 

[The Butcher]

I look forward to revisiting this thread after Doughty signs an 8 year contract. I love reading how so many of us hfboard fans know what is in his head.

Every time I come back I'm still blown away at how little faith so many fans have with this team. Quite frankly, it's depressing.

Save for BuddyTheElf NOBODY on this board was even close to predicting the Kings to win a Cup in 2012.

I still feel like as long as we have the core of Quick, Doughty, Kopitar, Carter there is always a chance to win every season.

This team is going to suck so bad that Doughty will walk?? Christ, relax.

 

[KINGS17]

Every time I come back I'm still blown away at how little faith so many fans have with this team. Quite frankly, it's depressing.

Save for BuddyTheElf NOBODY on this board was even close to predicting the Kings to win a Cup in 2012.

I still feel like as long as we have the core of Quick, Doughty, Kopitar, Carter there is always a chance to win every season.

This team is going to suck so bad that Doughty will walk?? Christ, relax.

This team has won 1 playoff game in the last three seasons. That's the reality of the situation. Re-living the glory days won't change it.

There's nothing wrong with rebuilding when it needs to be done.

 

[deeshamrock]

Every time I come back I'm still blown away at how little faith so many fans have with this team. Quite frankly, it's depressing.

Save for BuddyTheElf NOBODY on this board was even close to predicting the Kings to win a Cup in 2012.

I still feel like as long as we have the core of Quick, Doughty, Kopitar, Carter there is always a chance to win every season.

This team is going to suck so bad that Doughty will walk?? Christ, relax.

Win games during the season, yes. Get to the playoffs and win serie(s), no. Not without upgrading and getting better complimentary pieces and a lot of 'if's going the right way. Three of the 4 core you cited are aging and competing in a div/con/league that is trending on youth, speed and skill. In the Pacific, I think, only the top 3 teams are in the playoffs and right now, with the current lineup, I don't see them cracking that.

But I think Blake and Luc are aware of the hand they were dealt and it's just what cards to move. Axing DL and DS were the biggest 2 cards and that alone is an improvement. Stevens should bring fresh air into the room and that alone should motivate a group of players who have been lazy and listless for the better part of 3 seasons. One playoff win in 3 yrs is proof of that.

They were 25th in the NHL is goals for, (199) but with an additional .75 more goals per game over last year (about 62 goals) they would move into top 5 in the NHL (by last years numbers)
Is that achievable? Perhaps, but with upgrade at top 6 wing, it would be easier road. With a new system that is not the stifling defensive one they had , Stevens changes and a lot of if's (If Gabby and Cammy stay healthy for 55 or more games each, and if they contribute about 30 g between them, if Kopi and TT put up an additional 25 goals over last years totals, if the team stays healthy, doesn't lost a key player for extended time, etc. ) they will be a much better team, in more games.

But the other side of that is the competition they face for the most part, is also better, so it's not the easiest task.
THey need to be a lot better, a lot more consistent, and especially, get off to a great start. Always a gray period of adjustment for any team with a new coach/system, so hopefully the transition won't take too long. But they can't afford to fall behind early, they need to keep up with the pack, that Thanksgiving marker will be telling.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Most big name guys sign with their team, so I'll stick with that. Even if it turns into a horrible contract, most guys sign where they are, because most guys have signed where they are, and the cap space gets eaten up.

Should the day come when Doughty is traded, worry about it then. If he re-signs, we'll get to complain about his franchise crippling 30+ contract too.

Like Kopitar in June of 2014, Doughty should've been traded in June of 2016. That's when he had the hype coming off the Norris, and 3 years left on a great contract. That's value. That's selling high. Now he just had an average at best season by his standards, and the team is going to be average at best for the foreseeable future. Now he's got 2 years left on his deal, and he's clearly not being traded before the 2018 draft. Maybe the deadline if the Kopitar has 6 goals and they nuke the roster. It hardly matters what Doughty does next year, his trade value isn't going to go up when he's 1 year away from his own huge payday.

Doughty in at the 2016 draft at the latest. Kopitar in at the 2014 draft. Brown and Quick at the 2012 draft, because neither guy has since been what they were that year. They've missed a lot of chances to maximize value.

 

[KINGS17]

Most big name guys sign with their team, so I'll stick with that. Even if it turns into a horrible contract, most guys sign where they are, because most guys have signed where they are, and the cap space gets eaten up.

Should the day come when Doughty is traded, worry about it then. If he re-signs, we'll get to complain about his franchise crippling 30+ contract too.

Like Kopitar in June of 2014, Doughty should've been traded in June of 2016. That's when he had the hype coming off the Norris, and 3 years left on a great contract. That's value. That's selling high. Now he just had an average at best season by his standards, and the team is going to be average at best for the foreseeable future. Now he's got 2 years left on his deal, and he's clearly not being traded before the 2018 draft. Maybe the deadline if the Kopitar has 6 goals and they nuke the roster. It hardly matters what Doughty does next year, his trade value isn't going to go up when he's 1 year away from his own huge payday.

Doughty in at the 2016 draft at the latest. Kopitar in at the 2014 draft. Brown and Quick at the 2012 draft, because neither guy has since been what they were that year. They've missed a lot of chances to maximize value.

Doughty would bring back multiple assets in any trade, especially with Toronto.

It's a fallacy to insinuate the only time to trade a player is when he has maximum value following a season where an individual award was won. Value is value, and Doughty has value on the trade market.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Doughty would bring back multiple assets in any trade, especially with Toronto.

It's a fallacy to insinuate the only time to trade a player is when he has maximum value following a season where an individual award was won. Value is value, and Doughty has value on the trade market.

Not the only time, but it is the best time. And value is value? Is that true? Context doesn't change value?

I'd say that's the foundation of the entire debate. When do you trade someone? The classic is a year too early rather than a year too late. If Doughty is gone, a year too early is the 2016 draft, and a year too late is the 2018 draft. Since the Kings have no short term future to speak of, the best time to trade him was with 3 years left on a great contract coming off a Norris. They already wasted last year, they're going to waste this season, and then it's a possible rental situation. Doughty will always have value, but you're getting more if you trade him last year rather the next year.

 

[sinister6000]

The Kings have to sign Doughty. Even if the Kings have to trade Martinez, and Muzzin to clear up money. Drew is the only King that deserves one of those long term contracts. He should get a contract that makes him a free agent at 34 years old.

 

[damacles1156]

Kings should sign Doughty.

I simply think Doughty will want to test UFA, and go to a team that has a younger core and better shot at the Cup.

 

[raswilliam]

When was the last time the Leafs made a big free agent signing? The taxes in Toronto are crazy.

I say Doughty stays but if he does leave, he leaves for a team in a state with no income tax. Teams in states with no income tax have a distinct Free Agent advantage now. Look at how dallas loaded up this year.

 

[johnjm22]

Defensemen tend to age better than forwards, especially defensemen of Doughty's ilk. I think he'll be an excellent player well into his thirties.

 

[KINGS17]

Not the only time, but it is the best time. And value is value? Is that true? Context doesn't change value?

I'd say that's the foundation of the entire debate. When do you trade someone? The classic is a year too early rather than a year too late. If Doughty is gone, a year too early is the 2016 draft, and a year too late is the 2018 draft. Since the Kings have no short term future to speak of, the best time to trade him was with 3 years left on a great contract coming off a Norris. They already wasted last year, they're going to waste this season, and then it's a possible rental situation. Doughty will always have value, but you're getting more if you trade him last year rather the next year.

I agree with this, but I wouldn't allow it to preclude a trade if I was Blake.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Rob Blake, Paul Coffey, Larry Murphy-3 reasons why you should not trade Drew Doughty. Do what you have to make sure Drew plays his whole career as a King and his #8 goes into the rafters. Hell, maybe he will be the Kings GM sometime in the 2030's.

 

[raswilliam]

Rob Blake, Paul Coffey, Larry Murphy-3 reasons why you should not trade Drew Doughty. Do what you have to make sure Drew plays his whole career as a King and his #8 goes into the rafters. Hell, maybe he will be the Kings GM sometime in the 2030's.

Paul Coffey played a total of 60 games for the Kings. FYI. I agree with the rest of your post though.

 

[funky]

8 yr 88 mil

 

[BallPointHammer]

If Blake is smart he will do an honest assessment of where the organization stands during the next season, or at the end of it, and maximize Doughty's value to the organization.

Doughty will likely sign a contract worth $88M - $96M, I don't think the Kings should be the team to give it to him. Not because Doughty isn't worth it, but because given the other constraints (bad contracts) the organization is faced with, they simply will not have the ability to surround him with the talent necessary to be successful in a division which will be dominated by the Oilers for the next 4 or 5 years.

That is the smart thing to do. With all the changes made we don't even know what we have yet.

Last year people were saying DD is too immature, better off not being burdened with the 'C', etc. I think DD would be a great captain because he is smart, very passionate and invested emotionally with the organization.

I think a few teams would consider trading for Kopitar. Think 'anamored' and 'go for it (playoffs).'

Brown or Gaborik might retire early. A little somethin-somethin for how well they've been paid already and the cups. You never know.

 

[Bandit]

I look forward to revisiting this thread after Doughty signs an 8 year contract. I love reading how so many of us hfboard fans know what is in his head.

I don't know how to break it to you, but the entire reason for the the existence of this board is to speculate on hockey's future. Crazy, I know.

Every time I come back I'm still blown away at how little faith so many fans have with this team. Quite frankly, it's depressing.

Save for BuddyTheElf NOBODY on this board was even close to predicting the Kings to win a Cup in 2012.

I still feel like as long as we have the core of Quick, Doughty, Kopitar, Carter there is always a chance to win every season.

This team is going to suck so bad that Doughty will walk?? Christ, relax.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

He will sign with Toronto.

 

[Havre]

He will sign with Toronto.

Yes, but for which team?

 

[Sol]

I believe a big reason Doughty would test UFA so he can be on an offensive team. He's always insinuated that he wants defense to be more active offensively

 

[KingsHockey24]

I proposed on the main board Doughty for Zacha, Severson, and there 1st; assuming we're out of the playoffs at the deadline. Go full rebuild.

Galchenyuk - Kopitar - Toffoli
Pearson - Zacha - Gaborik
Kempe - Vilardi - Brodzinski
Clifford - Shore - Brown

Muzzin - Severson
Forbort - LaDue
Martinez - Folin

Then maybe something around Carter for Galchenyuk.