Proposal: Predators and Rangers

[Don Chytil]

What needs to be added to the Preds side for this to work?

NYR:
Wilson
Dougherty
+

NSH:
Nash (50% retained)

Make it Wilson and Fabbro and we're good. Gotta think the Rangers will ask for both Wilson and Fabbro in any Nash trade. Some kind of Gorton-BU connection that I don't know much about, but RangerBoy can expand on if he's reading this He's brought up these pieces on our trade board a few times and I think it makes a lot of sense.

Wilson is also a typical Rangers move - get a former top 10 pick who isn't performing like one, hope he can take the next step in NY like Brassard did (and Pouliot, to a lesser extent).

But in any case, I think there's a good base for a trade in Wilson and Fabbro for Nash with retention.

 

[TGWL]

The question is, are we in 3 years, defending the trade with the same arguments "had he been healthy..."

I don't think it makes sense to go for the Preds to go for Nash. I'm just stating that it's not an overpayment, and even if you take a look at goals rather than points, it's been 1 year where Nash didn't produce as expected.

Counting Playoffs, he's played roughly 253 games over the last 3 years. There's always a risk that a player is going to get hurt again.

 

[triggrman]

I don't think it makes sense to go for the Preds to go for Nash. I'm just stating that it's not an overpayment, and even if you take a look at goals rather than points, it's been 1 year where Nash didn't produce as expected.

Counting Playoffs, he's played roughly 253 games over the last 3 years. There's always a risk that a player is going to get hurt again.

The risk just go up for a 32 year old that already has a bit of a history.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

It feels like there's some circular reasoning going on regarding a lot of these Nash threads.

We're concerned his production has been subpar for 2 of the last 3 seasons--->Well, he had some injury issues during those seasons, but his P/GP is still not that bad--->Ok, but the makes us concerned about his durability going forward. Are we going to get a 80-game Nash?--->Well, he's only really missed X amount of time and if you factor in the playoffs, he hasn't missed THAT much time...which then takes us back to questions over his production and so on and so forth.

I have too many doubts about taking him on at that contract if names like Ellis, Fiala, Kamenev and Fabbro are being mentioned. The Weber/Subban trade made our core even a bit younger than it was and I would rather see Poile stay that course.

 

[Shootertooter]

Umm, no? One of erratic's synonyms is unpredictable. Regardless of why his scoring has been down two of the past three years there is no denying that his production has been unpredictable, whether it be because of injuries or anything else you want to bring up.

We don't know if we're going to get the 40 goal scorer who plays 80 games or the 35-40 point player who plays 60-65 games and since two of the past three years he's been the latter, that has a huge effect on his value, especially with a nearly $8 million salary.

I'm not saying Nash is going to command top value and overpayment in return, but in one of these threads someone suggested a 3rd rd pick. That is simply absurd.

Well doesn't the "potential injury" rationale apply to any move a GM makes as in any player and not just Nash??.....if player X isn't injured he should produce X points?

So, playing devil's advocate, what is he worth considering you would immediately pencil him in on your first line and hope he is a 40 goal scorer? What is the value of that? Isn't trading and signing guys a crap shoot of a sort? You hope you get the guy you expect but it doesn't always work out that way.

Rick Nash Points Per Game:
2013 44GP 21G 21A 42pts .95PPG
2014 65GP 26G 13A 39pts .60PPG
2015 79GP 42G 27A 69pts .87PPG
2016 60GP 15G 21A 36pts .60PPG


I don't think it is unreasonable to expect Nash to score .75PPG or more if healthy. I honestly think that is a low estimate. I also think his scoring last season was affected by his deployment. Nash does not get many PP minutes in AV's system. That has to count against his totals significantly as far as scoring goes.

 

[KreiderHouseRules*]

I think he got plenty of PP minutes.

He just isn't a very good PP player.

He doesn't command the puck or fire shots on the PP. He's just kind of there. Doesn't excel with the man advantage, and a coach that's situational usage isn't the smartest...

Still a very capable, very good player. If I had to guess, I'd say he scores 30+ this season.