Proposal: Predators and Rangers

[RangerGuru]

No. We aren't trading our best forward prospect for a 32-year old guy whose only gonna get worse.



How about Ribeiro for Buchnevich? Just as ridiculous as Nash for Kamenev.

I like Klein, but he's not the kinda guy Poile is looking for. He's looking to get faster and more mobile. And Klein is not faster or more mobile than Ellis.



would be a fill a hole, make a hole kinda deal. No reason to make such a deal. Not to mention the facts that Smith had more points last year, is younger and almost twice as cheap as Nash.

Yeah... 1 more point in 21 more games... I don't mind Smith + prospect as a basis for Nash as a similar deal to the Brassard one but there's no doubt Nash is an upgrade.

Disagree about Nash getting worse, at least in regards to the duration of the 2 years left on his deal. He struggled with injuries last season, but still provided his always solid defense and is a good bet to bounce back to a 30g season with that solid defense

 

[King Weber]

Yeah... 1 more point in 21 more games... I don't mind Smith + prospect as a basis for Nash as a similar deal to the Brassard one but there's no doubt Nash is an upgrade.

Disagree about Nash getting worse, at least in regards to the duration of the 2 years left on his deal. He struggled with injuries last season, but still provided his always solid defense and is a good bet to bounce back to a 30g season with that solid defense

1 more point in 21 more games that Nash was injured for. The last time Nash had a full 82 game season was when he was still a Blue Jacket. Looks pretty concerning to me.

Smith is no slouch defensively himself either and with Subban in town now, he could get close to if not break 30 goals too.

 

[Profet]

The last time Nash had a full 82 game season was when he was still a Blue Jacket. Looks pretty concerning to me.

Obvious bias is obvious.

79 games played 2014-2015...

Missing 3 games over the course of an 82 game season isn't "pretty concerning" at all.

Ellis only played 79 games last year... Looks pretty concerning to me.

 

[GeauxPreds]

Not really interested in Nash's contract when we've got to resign RyJo next season. Rangers will want too much and I personally would rather give our kids a shot than trade for an 8million 32 year old.

 

[King Weber]

Obvious bias is obvious.

79 games played 2014-2015...

Missing 3 games over the course of an 82 game season isn't "pretty concerning" at all.

"obvious bias is obvious".. same could be said about you.

a 32-year old hockey player missing 46 games in 4 seasons IS pretty concerning. That's over half the season we're talking about here.

 

[Profet]

"obvious bias is obvious".. same could be said about you.

a 32-year old hockey player missing 46 games in 4 seasons IS pretty concerning. That's over half the season we're talking about here.

He also played 61 post season games over that same period...

That's over half the season we're talking about here.

 

[PeterLax]

What needs to be added to the Preds side for this to work?

NYR:
Wilson
Dougherty
+

NSH:
Nash (50% retained)

 

[Mikachu93]

"obvious bias is obvious".. same could be said about you.

a 32-year old hockey player missing 46 games in 4 seasons IS pretty concerning. That's over half the season we're talking about here.

Over half of an 82 game season when you add games missed in all four seasons together, sure. Except 46 games missed out of a possible 294 is not even 1/6th of a season.

 

[King Weber]

Over half of an 82 game season when you add games missed in all four seasons together, sure. Except 46 games missed out of a possible 294 is not even 1/6th of a season.

True, but doesn't make anything I said any less concerning. Still a ton of games missed.

He also played 61 post season games over that same period...

That's over half the season we're talking about here.

Try harder.

 

[Paranoid Android]

What's Nash's no trade clause situation? Last time he was traded, Nashville was on his do not trade list

 

[One Winged Angel]

"obvious bias is obvious".. same could be said about you.

a 32-year old hockey player missing 46 games in 4 seasons IS pretty concerning. That's over half the season we're talking about here.

Or that's 11 games a season averaged out over 4 years and it nearly isn't as concerning, considering that almost the entirety of the ganes missed come down to October of 2013-14 season where he got Elbowed in the head by Brad Stuart in only the 3rd game of the season and the nagging injuries he had this season.

So when it comes down to it, it was 2 seasons in which he missed any significant amount of time.

You can keep reaching though, you look more foolish with each post.

 

[Halla]

pretty bad for nashville

 

[King Weber]

Or that's 11 games a season averaged out over 4 years and it nearly isn't as concerning, considering that almost the entirety of the ganes missed come down to October of 2013-14 season where he got Elbowed in the head by Brad Stuart in only the 3rd game of the season and the nagging injuries he had this season.

So when it comes down to it, it was 2 seasons in which he missed any significant amount of time.

You can keep reaching though, you look more foolish with each post.

how is averaging 11 missed games due to injury a season over 4 years not bad, especially considering that he's getting older and is certainly past his physical peak?
he'll get injured more and more easily and it'll take longer and longer for him to heal from those injuries.

but keep telling yourself that there's nothing to be worried about.

 

[aufheben]

Or that's 11 games a season averaged out over 4 years and it nearly isn't as concerning, considering that almost the entirety of the ganes missed come down to October of 2013-14 season where he got Elbowed in the head by Brad Stuart in only the 3rd game of the season and the nagging injuries he had this season.

So when it comes down to it, it was 2 seasons in which he missed any significant amount of time.

You can keep reaching though, you look more foolish with each post.

It's not. Plus his last injury was just cause of that idiot Bogosian.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

What needs to be added to the Preds side for this to work?

NYR:
Wilson
Dougherty
+

NSH:
Nash (50% retained)

I'd rather trade Nash at 50% for Kamenev.

 

[Rangers ftw]

In case you haven't kept up, the Rangers aren't contending. They just traded away their top goal scorer from last year, let their top assist man walk, and the defense is bad.

The next year, maybe two are transition years to get younger, so they can contend again.

That's what they want to trade him

Also; Nash kinda sucks considering the money he gets.

 

[Shootertooter]

I still have no idea why Preds fans are so willing to trade Fiala. He's not the kind of player you trade for a 32 year old making $8 million that has had erratic production.

Can we stop with the erratic production thing? He had a concussion a couple of seasons ago and missed 6 weeks last season, it is not like he was playing and was erratic or unproductive. He bounced back from the concussion and scored 42 goals. Your assessment of him being erratic is ridiculous.

Nash's 36 pts in 60 games last season would put him as your 5th highest scoring forward. If he is healthy expect him to be in your top 2.

His 69 points in 79 games the previous season would make him your top scorer.

 

[Gh24]

Nash's 36 pts in 60 games last season would put him as your 5th highest scoring forward. If he is healthy expect him to be in your top 2.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect more from an 8mil guy in a team with one of leagues highest points by defense

edit:

Bozak's 35 pts in 57 games last season would put him as our 5th highest scoring forward. Oh, he makes what, 3.6M less than Nash does?
Pouliot's 36 pts in 55 games last season would put him as our 5th highest scoring forward and he also makes almost half less than Nash.
Lee Stempniak's 51 pts in 82 games last season would put him as our 3rd highest scoring forward for a little over 10k/game (compared to Nash's 130k/game). Is Nash so much better defensively that you would pay him 7M (or 120k/game) more to miss over 25% of the season?

Not sure I wanna pay 7.8M to see IF he's healthy or not.

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

Can we stop with the erratic production thing?

Umm, no? One of erratic's synonyms is unpredictable. Regardless of why his scoring has been down two of the past three years there is no denying that his production has been unpredictable, whether it be because of injuries or anything else you want to bring up.

We don't know if we're going to get the 40 goal scorer who plays 80 games or the 35-40 point player who plays 60-65 games and since two of the past three years he's been the latter, that has a huge effect on his value, especially with a nearly $8 million salary.

 

[Doriva]

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect more from an 8mil guy in a team with one of leagues highest points by defense

edit:

Bozak's 35 pts in 57 games last season would put him as our 5th highest scoring forward. Oh, he makes what, 3.6M less than Nash does?
Pouliot's 36 pts in 55 games last season would put him as our 5th highest scoring forward and he also makes almost half less than Nash.
Lee Stempniak's 51 pts in 82 games last season would put him as our 3rd highest scoring forward for a little over 10k/game (compared to Nash's 130k/game). Is Nash so much better defensively that you would pay him 7M (or 120k/game) more to miss over 25% of the season?

Not sure I wanna pay 7.8M to see IF he's healthy or not.

You raise a very good point about Nashville paying 7.8 to see if Nash is healthy, I think if we're trading Nash its a surefire sign of a bit of a longer re-tool/rebuild/whatever you wanna call it so we'd be retaining salary.

As for the comparisons, since Nash joined the Rangers he's 7th in goals/60 even including last years injury plagued season and is only one year removed from his best ever scoring season, he's on a completely different level to the players mentioned. I'm not saying its a gamble Nashville should necessarily take since your core looks good enough to be competitive past the two remaining years on his contract, but getting another guy with 30-40+ goal scoring potential in your forward group would blow your window wide open imo.

 

[Doriva]

Umm, no? One of erratic's synonyms is unpredictable. Regardless of why his scoring has been down two of the past three years there is no denying that his production has been unpredictable, whether it be because of injuries or anything else you want to bring up.

We don't know if we're going to get the 40 goal scorer who plays 80 games or the 35-40 point player who plays 60-65 games and since two of the past three years he's been the latter, that has a huge effect on his value, especially with a nearly $8 million salary.

Excluding the lockout shortened season, out of the remaining 12 seasons there has been:
2 seasons where he has scored under 25G ,
4 seasons where he has scored under 30G.

7th in goals/60 since he joined the Rangers.

The guy is pretty damn consistent.

 

[triggrman]

If he's healthy, I think he's still a player, however, he's 32, so staying healthy becomes more and more of a challenge. Trading for him is a risk, and the 8M cap hit makes it a huge risk, especially since we have to sign Ryjo and Neal.

 

[TGWL]

He's failed to hit 40 points in two of the last three seasons.

Yes, his point production was brutal. Over 82 games, his goal total would have led the Preds during the 2013-2014 season. He was above a 30 goal pace.

His pace for 2015-2016 would have made him what, 4th in goals for the Preds?

Rick Nash isn't the player I judged base on assist.

Ellis is not even close to being a huge overpayment from the Preds. Does it make sense for them? I'd say no since they traded Jones. From a Rangers perspective, Ellis isn't what I want if we're trading Nash.

 

[Gh24]

Yes, his point production was brutal. Over 82 games, his goal total would have led the Preds during the 2013-2014 season. He was above a 30 goal pace.

His pace for 2015-2016 would have made him what, 4th in goals for the Preds?

The question is, are we in 3 years, defending the trade with the same arguments "had he been healthy..."

 

[Spazkat]

We don't know if we're going to get the 40 goal scorer who plays 80 games or the 35-40 point player who plays 60-65 games and since two of the past three years he's been the latter, that has a huge effect on his value, especially with a nearly $8 million salary.

This seems to be a common theme when discussing oft-injured players. The fans trying to sell them resort to p/60 in lieu of actual points scored (see Oilers fans when trying to dump Pouliot), when in fact it really doesn't matter. At the end of the day you're paying 8M for a 40 point guy, whether it was because you've got a superstar sitting in the press box broken or you're overpaying a scrub. Same dollars, same return