Value of: Power to nyr

[Fjordy]

Trochek has been one of the Rangers best and most consistent players this season. He's not regressing yet.

Got ya on the age. None the less... both are very young and early in their careers.

Buffalo has too many LHD, even if some play offhand.

I suspect Buffalo's brass are really frustrated that Mattias Samuelsson (RHD) has been one of their worst players this season. He'd been more effective in prior years.

Samuelsson LD, he is left-handed and he often gets injured. There are currently four left-handed players in our top 4, and it seems like no other team in the NHL has that.

 

[DatDude44]

Thanks for pointing out Power is not a negative asset. Is that to imply he has a very low value? Why even write that?

You are looking at Lafreniere and probably a 1st for Power


Byram is struggling?

I didn't think he was in my couple viewings, but i read sabres fans saying that and i've only watched a few of their games.
My point was I don't see them as trading partners, the byram/miller thing was just spitballing something that would maybe make sense, but clearly my initial instincts were right, it doesn't.

 

[Beerz]

Trochek has been one of the Rangers best and most consistent players this season. He's not regressing yet.

Got ya on the age. None the less... both are very young and early in their careers.

Buffalo has too many LHD, even if some play offhand.

I suspect Buffalo's brass are really frustrated that Mattias Samuelsson (RHD) has been one of their worst players this season. He'd been more effective in prior years.

Samuelsson is a LHD

 

[MagnumForce2]

No one said willingly downgrade

Hey, pay attention!!!
I said KAM+
setting aside how much that + should be, an effort is nec to see if there is correct currency to accommodate


you might not have a clue
but bern knows

he knows
and by extension, I know

I am he as you are me and we are all together

I am the Eggman

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Power is not a negative asset
but what he commands remains to be seen and hoping to identify that here

also,
Merry Christmas
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Negative asset. Who even suggests that?

 

[Zman5778]

Fox isn't realistic... nor is LaF.

Braden Schneider is the guy they need most. He's a big R shot defender that brings better balance to Buffalo's D core. Also younger than Byram. Same age as Power.

Trochek is a good player and the NYRs sitting on the 11th overall pick in the 2025 draft today. I didn't make some weak proposal. I made the Rangers put good assets on the table for Power.

And Power isn't having a banner season.

Anyone saying that Trochek is "too old" or "not what the Sabres need" is kind of missing the point. He's one of those borderline 1/2Cs who is signed to a reasonable deal and should age mostly well......it's not like we're squeezed for the cap room. Either he OR Tage would get weaker matchups than what they're seeing now, and it'd allow Cozens to bump to the wing or to 3C until he figures out this whole center thing.

Schneider is that defense-first RHD that most of the Sabrehood have been BEGGING for.

That said.....even including that lotto-protected 1st, this still seems like a light package for a former #1 overall pick who's very good offensively and developing defensively.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Anyone saying that Trochek is "too old" or "not what the Sabres need" is kind of missing the point. He's one of those borderline 1/2Cs who is signed to a reasonable deal and should age mostly well......it's not like we're squeezed for the cap room. Either he OR Tage would get weaker matchups than what they're seeing now, and it'd allow Cozens to bump to the wing or to 3C until he figures out this whole center thing.

Schneider is that defense-first RHD that most of the Sabrehood have been BEGGING for.

That said.....even including that lotto-protected 1st, this still seems like a light package for a former #1 overall pick who's very good offensively and developing defensively.

Yeah, I think those pieces would be useful, but I don’t think you even entertain trading Power unless you’re getting a similarly elite talent back.

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

lol. Is Bern actually Kamala Harris?

He is the walrus.

 

[bernmeister]

I am the Eggman

k

 

[bernmeister]

Negative asset. Who even suggests that?

Hey! I specifically said "NOT" a neg asset

Pls read full scope + be better informed
I said in OP chat on these boards is both he was available, some saying discounted, and I said I could not imagine the discount being extensive, and I wanted to see here to what extent discount would be offered

NOT my suggestion

He is the walrus.

I am many things, not a walrus
I am a kindred spirit to Barry Manilow's I am music, and I write the songs...

 

[gifted88]

I would think the ask starts with Lafreniere or Fox. Can't see the Rangers doing that. Also can't see the Sabres selling low on Power.

 

[Djp]

Anyone saying that Trochek is "too old" or "not what the Sabres need" is kind of missing the point. He's one of those borderline 1/2Cs who is signed to a reasonable deal and should age mostly well......it's not like we're squeezed for the cap room. Either he OR Tage would get weaker matchups than what they're seeing now, and it'd allow Cozens to bump to the wing or to 3C until he figures out this whole center thing.

I'm very concerned on Trocheck becoming KO 2.0 in the final 3-4 yrs (33+) of his contract. That is before factoring trading Power for him.

 

[Hookslide]

I would think the ask starts with Lafreniere or Fox. Can't see the Rangers doing that. Also can't see the Sabres selling low on Power.

Buffalo should not be selling Powers at all, if they do they should be kicked out of the league for management incompetence. You have a young talented defenseman with size ,you should be trying to add to the roster with as little subtraction as possible. Start with a management team that has the ability to deal with what this team needs.

 

[Fjordy]

Buffalo should not be selling Powers at all, if they do they should be kicked out of the league for management incompetence. You have a young talented defenseman with size ,you should be trying to add to the roster with as little subtraction as possible. Start with a management team that has the ability to deal with what this team needs.

You are absolutely right, we have known all this for a long time, but unfortunately our owner is terrible, who hired an incompetent GM, who did not even have experience as a GM. This is just nepotism and connections. Our GM thinks that the kids should figure it out themselves, does not want to add good players to the team and vets. Dahlin has been in the league for 6 years and has never seen anyone like a mentor to him or even a normal defensive defenseman, the same is happening now with Power. This is all on the owner and his pet GM.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

If Rangers wanted to make an offer for Power I’m sure they could land him.

Laf, Chytil, Schneider, Cuylle, 1st are all assets Buffalo should be interested in.

Fox doesn’t strike me as a player who’d enjoy Buffalo so he’s out.

 

[Hookslide]

You are absolutely right, we have known all this for a long time, but unfortunately our owner is terrible, who hired an incompetent GM, who did not even have experience as a GM. This is just nepotism and connections. Our GM thinks that the kids should figure it out themselves, does not want to add good players to the team and vets. Dahlin has been in the league for 6 years and has never seen anyone like a mentor to him or even a normal defensive defenseman, the same is happening now with Power. This is all on the owner and his pet GM.

I am not a Buffalo fan, so I have no skin in the game, but I do feel for the fans. It must suck year after year having to watch the teams have had to watch year after. I was looking at the roster they have so much young talent and # 1picks on that roster, but I do think they could use maybe some leadership on this team, that could teach them how to win, and I am not saying he is the guy a Ryan O'Reilly type who can still play. They have the cap space, but does need to be used properly, not throwing big contracts for aging veterans, who are no longer productive.

 

[Fjordy]

I am not a Buffalo fan, so I have no skin in the game, but I do feel for the fans. It must suck year after year having to watch the teams have had to watch year after. I was looking at the roster they have so much young talent and # 1picks on that roster, but I do think they could use maybe some leadership on this team, that could teach them how to win, and I am not saying he is the guy a Ryan O'Reilly type who can still play. They have the cap space, but does need to be used properly, not throwing big contracts for aging veterans, who are no longer productive.

Yeah, it's not very nice when the GM sold our best players for futures almost five years ago and continues his supposed "rebuilding". Although the team missed the playoffs by one point in the 22-23 season, in the 23-24 season he said that target was to make the playoffs and did almost nothing to improve the roster for this task. Before the current season, it was obvious to everyone that we needed a top 4 RD to play with Power and a top 6 forward to help Cozens not fall (and he is falling), but the GM again did nothing for this. He only sarcastically complains in the press that city Buffalo sucks, there are no palm trees and taxes are high.

But otherwise, you said everything correctly, we lack good vets and just good mature players, our second and third lines now consist entirely of kids, and our top 4 defense consists of four lefties and the oldest of them is 24 years old. This is how a GM helps a team make the playoffs.

 

[Fjordy]

If Rangers wanted to make an offer for Power I’m sure they could land him.

Laf, Chytil, Schneider, Cuylle, 1st are all assets Buffalo should be interested in.

Fox doesn’t strike me as a player who’d enjoy Buffalo so he’s out.

I'm not sure if 1st will be so valuable for us, although it is also currency. Laf, Schneider and Cuylle are interesting. I am concerned about Chytil's injuries, I don't think he can be the main part of the deal.

 

[McJedi]

Samuelsson is a LHD

Yikes... you guys really don't have any R shot defenders do you.

Byram, Power, Samuelsson, Dahlin are all L shot. Bryson is L shot.

Jokiharju is R shot.. but he's definitely not top 4 material.

Your GM needs some balance here.

 

[Fjordy]

Yikes... you guys really don't have any R shot defenders do you.

Byram, Power, Samuelsson, Dahlin are all L shot. Bryson is L shot.

Jokiharju is R shot.. but he's definitely not top 4 material.

Your GM needs some balance here.

He's been there for the last five years, and he's been terrible for the most part. He's not even in the top 6 anymore, and for the second time this season he's a healthy scratch for a lot of games. We have Clifton, who's a right-hander, but he's a third-pair guy and he makes a lot of mistakes, too. Terribly built defense, unfortunately.

 

[McJedi]

He's been there for the last five years, and he's been terrible for the most part. He's not even in the top 6 anymore, and for the second time this season he's a healthy scratch for a lot of games. We have Clifton, who's a right-hander, but he's a third-pair guy and he makes a lot of mistakes, too. Terribly built defense, unfortunately.

Crazy. Buffalo has two 1st overall picks and a 4th overall pick on defense. All of them are good to really good players and I'd have to agree with your assessment on being terribly built defensively.

So my suggestion of:

Trochek + Schneider + Logan Hensler (RHD - 2025 1st from NYR) for Owen Power

It's not the worst trade Buffalo can make.

I was looking at a few mock drafts today. Several had Buffalo using a high 1st round pick on Matthew Schaefer. He's a great young defender. Left shot of course.

 

[Fjordy]

Crazy. Buffalo has two 1st overall picks and a 4th overall pick on defense. All of them are good to really good players and I'd have to agree with your assessment on being terribly built defensively.

So my suggestion of:

Trochek + Schneider + Logan Hensler (RHD - 2025 1st from NYR) for Owen Power

It's not the worst trade Buffalo can make.

I was looking at a few mock drafts today. Several had Buffalo using a high 1st round pick on Matthew Schaefer. He's a great young defender. Left shot of course.

I'm so tired of these draft picks and prospects, but I'd still try to get Laf or Cuylle out of there. It would probably be Power+ for Trocheck + Schneider + Laf/Cuylle. Then we'd have three important pieces for our roster.

 

[McJedi]

I'm so tired of these draft picks and prospects, but I'd still try to get Laf or Cuylle out of there. It would probably be Power+ for Trocheck + Schneider + Laf/Cuylle. Then we'd have three important pieces for our roster.

Power isn't remotely that good my man.

If I'm the Rangers, I don't even entertain LaF for Power straight up. LaF is the better player and it's not that close either.

 

[Fjordy]

Power isn't remotely that good my man.

If I'm the Rangers, I don't even entertain LaF for Power straight up. LaF is the better player and it's not that close either.

Oh, I disagree, he's not that good defensively yet, but he's good offensively, he's good at moving the puck, he scored a lot of points at ES and he still has a lot of potential. I don't see any point in trading Power in that case.

 

[crazynaiman]

I don’t see any reason why Buffalo should even consider an offer from the Rangers for Owen, because there’s no one in all of NY who could change the situation in Buffalo by 180 degrees. Power is obviously a valuable asset, and if he's traded, it should only be for a forward of the caliber of Marner or Point. And even then, it wouldn’t help, as even wingers like Reinhart and Skinner (sorry), and centers like Eichel and O'Reilly couldn’t get the team into the playoffs. Therefore, Buffalo has no reason to touch their defensive leaders. They should just trade Cozens at the right time and focus on adding experienced players who could help develop Power, Benson, Helenius, and Quinn (while it’s not too late..). And in a couple of years, they’ll make the playoffs...